Starting to wonder if they're limiting Burke's minutes to not win games. I think this guy could average 20 and 7 if he played 30+ minutes the rest of the way. At least pump his trade value up if he's not part of the core long term, but as it stands he's probably the best player on the team right now.
The broader tank and playoff races are as tight as ever.
Tank schedule this week:
Tuesday
Mavs hosting Nuggets
Wednsday
Grizz at Bulls
Magic at Lakers
Kings hosting Pelicans
Thursday
Nets @ Hornets
Friday
Knicks @ Bucks
Bulls @ Pistons
Magic @ Kings
Saturday
Suns @ Hornets
Grizz @ Mavs
Sunday
Raptors @ Knicks
Bulls @ Hawks
Knicks are still 3-4 games behind the clump of tankers but after this week they should inch to 2 games back from that pack. Key is next week, Knicks get the Mavs, Hornets and Bulls at MSG, they need to lose at least 2 of those to stay afloat.
Can we just forfeit those games next week?
I hope they do the same for Troy Williams.
I dont think so, unless they were ahead of charlotte before he went down.
By the same token, the Utah Jazz won 12 straight games and didn't move any spots in the standings during that span.
Is this in place for the upcoming lottery or sometime in the future?
I'm going to the game on Saturday vs Hornets and have to explain why I'm rooting against the Knicks.
I'm going to the game on Saturday vs Hornets and have to explain why I'm rooting against the Knicks.
Hornacek is the perfect coach for the tank because he is a moron, these vets are not winning shit..
Lee has gone into me mode..
Beasley looks like he is smoking before games...
Kanter looks for his double double in the first half because he knows 2nd half he is not playing...
Is this in place for the upcoming lottery or sometime in the future?
It start next year. I don't think it discourages tanking much, if you finish bottom 3 I think you cannot fall out of the top 5 so teams will still be fighting for those spots. And it incentivizes borderline playoff tanks to fall out because they have better chances at the top spots.
Since 2001 the 54 win team in 2013 is really the only team that was fun to watch and got you excited for the playoffs. I realize no one wants to root for a team that gets knocked in the 2nd round every year. But the NBA playoffs are really fun to root in and we’ve only gotten that once in 17 years.
Sorry just ranting how the Knicks season seemingly ends every January/February just as the league ramps up for great hoops.
Since 2001 the 54 win team in 2013 is really the only team that was fun to watch and got you excited for the playoffs. I realize no one wants to root for a team that gets knocked in the 2nd round every year. But the NBA playoffs are really fun to root in and we’ve only gotten that once in 17 years.
Sorry just ranting how the Knicks season seemingly ends every January/February just as the league ramps up for great hoops.
I think with a real coach and kp healthy Knicks would of made or at least have been fighting for the playoffs this year...
Hardaway injury really hurt because the way he was playing he was taking a lot of pressure off of kp...
I always say this but look at the heat, that team is well coached, they have whiteside and dragic and a bunch of cast offs and they are going to make the playoffs again....their roster is nothing amazing...
Hornacek is a God awful coach, who plays guys he likes rather than based on how they help a team, as soon as you see a coach playing players he likes and doesn't bench them or yell at them when they are playing like crap you know that coach is no good...
That said, I wouldn't trade the Knicks situation for Miami as they have no superstar and don't have a path out of mediocrity as they are capped out and don't have lottery picks.
Bam has been a good pick along with Richardson in the 2nd round. Winslow is looking better but he hasn’t lit the league on fire. But outside of that they have acquired their guys through trades and FA.
But that is my point you get a real coach and things can change...
Knicks need to hit on this coaching hire...
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Is a great franchise. Great coach, great player development, and they play really hard. And outside of Wade, they haven’t even drafted well. They basically the opposite of the Knicks.
Bam has been a good pick along with Richardson in the 2nd round. Winslow is looking better but he hasn’t lit the league on fire. But outside of that they have acquired their guys through trades and FA.
Yeah was going to say that. Since Lebron left they haven't had much help in terms of picks. Winslow was their only lottery pick and he sucks., but they made out like bandits with Bam and Richardson. I guess Whiteside was their "lottery pick", basically got a lottery talent in FA. Bosh's injury certainly has hurt too, they haven't had the best luck recently but thats no fault on their management or coaching.
That said, I wouldn't trade the Knicks situation for Miami as they have no superstar and don't have a path out of mediocrity as they are capped out and don't have lottery picks.
That wasn't my point, I wouldn't trade situations either..
My point was you get the right coach and it stabilizes everything..
Nets are a God awful basketball team with subpar talent and no draft pick yet everyone talks glowingly about them because everyone thinks Atkinson is a good coach...
I still hold out hope that Jeff Van Gundy will comeback and coach the team.
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team that's not fairly comparable to the Knicks. Middle of the road role players go to Miami, get in peak shape and see career years. They have 7-8 solid NBA players, the Knicks have like 4 including KP.
That said, I wouldn't trade the Knicks situation for Miami as they have no superstar and don't have a path out of mediocrity as they are capped out and don't have lottery picks.
That wasn't my point, I wouldn't trade situations either..
My point was you get the right coach and it stabilizes everything..
Nets are a God awful basketball team with subpar talent and no draft pick yet everyone talks glowingly about them because everyone thinks Atkinson is a good coach...
Yeah, I agree completely.
One outside of the box coach prospect I would interview, Becky Hammond, she has learned under popovich, she played in New York, I think players around the league would look at it like finally Knicks are not going after expensive retreads..
It would be very bold, I think if Perry had final call I think there would be a chance, with mills would he really put his job on the line?
Knicks fans already think he is a joke, if it didnt work could he really take the beating?
Mike Budenholzer( if he’s fired- not giving up picks for him)
Jay Wright
Gregg Marshall
Ettore Messina
Jerry Stackhouse
Brent Barry
Tony Bennett
If Jarret Jack retires I would try to keep him as an assistant.
Mike Budenholzer( if he’s fired- not giving up picks for him)
Jay Wright
Gregg Marshall
Ettore Messina
Jerry Stackhouse
Brent Barry
Tony Bennett
If Jarret Jack retires I would try to keep him as an assistant.
Budenholzer and messina agreed..
No college coaches, Stevens is the exception not the rule..
Stackhouse and Barry have no coaching experience so why are they considered and hammond not?
I think Barry is a brilliant basketball mind. Has loads of experience playing for many different teams and now has experience learning around the league through broadcasting. Teams have been interested in him coaching but he’s refused so far.
Messina would be a Home run hire.
They are the 7th seed in the putrid East. I dont see what is so great about that. Sure, they play hard and do some nice things. But they are no closer to being contenders than the like of the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, etc. They are in purgatory. Picking anywhere between 15th and 18th is sure sign of non competing.
We saw this for YEARS with the Atlanta Hawks as they never factored in being contenders. Even the year they were the 1 seed, they were swept in the playoffs.
They are the 7th seed in the putrid East. I dont see what is so great about that. Sure, they play hard and do some nice things. But they are no closer to being contenders than the like of the Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, etc. They are in purgatory. Picking anywhere between 15th and 18th is sure sign of non competing.
We saw this for YEARS with the Atlanta Hawks as they never factored in being contenders. Even the year they were the 1 seed, they were swept in the playoffs.
Since 2001 Miami has 3 titles and the Knicks have 1 playoff series win. Have only had 2 losing seasons in the last 15 years. They have a top 5 coach and top 3 management. They can get meetings with any FA they want and if the top guys want to go there, they will make the cap work.
How is picking between 15-18 a sign of non competing? Would you rather them take the Knicks path and be embarrassingly bad while picking 8-10?
LeBron wade and bosh have all said they would of went anywhere that could fit all 3, you want to give him credit for trading players for peanuts? Fine..
Riley his moves other than that have been awful, and people give Phil no credit for kp yet Riley said he didn't even have kp on his board at 10..
LeBron wade and bosh have all said they would of went anywhere that could fit all 3, you want to give him credit for trading players for peanuts? Fine..
Riley his moves other than that have been awful, and people give Phil no credit for kp yet Riley said he didn't even have kp on his board at 10..
What other moves have been "awful"?
Riley had a Finals MVP with 80% cap space free, thats pretty contrarian considering teams are usually forcing signings to get half-decent players for their star player. The first opportunity of that happening for the Knicks is in 2019 and 2020, lets see what type of success they achieve then.
What are you smoking? The Knicks HAVE spent that kind of money on players, far, far worse. If Mills brought together 3 players of that quality who went on to 4 finals and two titles, he’d be sainted in NY.
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On those players he would be killed by everyone on bbi and in the media
What are you smoking? The Knicks HAVE spent that kind of money on players, far, far worse. If Mills brought together 3 players of that quality who went on to 4 finals and two titles, he’d be sainted in NY.
So if mills signed, waiter, James Johnson and Kelly olynyk to big deals and capped out the team yoh would be happy?
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He has 2 good moves and has 3 titles because of it, he drafted wade and traded for shaq...
LeBron wade and bosh have all said they would of went anywhere that could fit all 3, you want to give him credit for trading players for peanuts? Fine..
Riley his moves other than that have been awful, and people give Phil no credit for kp yet Riley said he didn't even have kp on his board at 10..
What other moves have been "awful"?
Riley had a Finals MVP with 80% cap space free, thats pretty contrarian considering teams are usually forcing signings to get half-decent players for their star player. The first opportunity of that happening for the Knicks is in 2019 and 2020, lets see what type of success they achieve then.
First off I gave him credit for wade and if you wanted to give him credit for the only one being able to clear space for 3 players that is fine...
But can we stop saying LeBron and bosh went to Miami because of riley...
They went to Miami because 1 it is Miami and 2 they could all still get pause and win titles together...
So if mills signed, waiter, James Johnson and Kelly olynyk to big deals and capped out the team yoh would be happy?
Sorry. Thought you meant Lebron/Bosh/Wade
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So if mills signed, waiter, James Johnson and Kelly olynyk to big deals and capped out the team yoh would be happy?
Sorry. Thought you meant Lebron/Bosh/Wade
Why would anyone complain about signing 3 superstars?
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On those players he would be killed by everyone on bbi and in the media
What are you smoking? The Knicks HAVE spent that kind of money on players, far, far worse. If Mills brought together 3 players of that quality who went on to 4 finals and two titles, he’d be sainted in NY.
So if mills signed, waiter, James Johnson and Kelly olynyk to big deals and capped out the team yoh would be happy?
It's better than any deals the Knicks signed recently...but I was more implying the overall team direction over the past decade compared to the Knicks.
Spoelstra is the reason they are in the playoff hunt not riley
James Johnson actually a pretty good player... we are paying THJR that same amount and James Johnson is making less than him. Olynyk and Whiteside are probably the most glaring contracts.
But yes, Miami hasnt managed the cap well as of late...but also the Knicks haven't either lol.
But go read what guys like James Johnson and Waiters have said about Riley, I will faint the day a Knicks player comes out of a meeting with a NY exec and says something similar.
Not saying Riley is the best exec ever but there's a pretty enormous gap between Riley and whoever has been in the Knicks office the last 15 years.
I said for the praise Riley gets he has been mediocre...
And James Johnson is better than hardaway based on what?
I said for the praise Riley gets he has been mediocre...
And James Johnson is better than hardaway based on what?
James Johnson has transformed himself into a hardnosed defender and secondary playmaker since he signed with the Heat. Granted he's a lot older than THJR, but he's a lightyears better defender than THJR, better rebounder and passer.
Obviously age is there, but he is comparable to say Courtney Lee as a player and makes a bit more than him as well, but is also versatily (he's an ideal 4 but can guard 3s) so it s fairly justified IMO.
You telling me you would think about taking Perry/Mills over Riley? Because if the answer is no I can save the argument because we agree on the same thing.
If we are talking about top execs Im not sure where Riley stands but there is certainly a few execs I'd take over him just off the top of my head. Buford, Ainge, Morey, Meyers.
Hinkie lol.
Not to mention 17 points to 10 points per game...
I just don't see how Johnson is a better than hardaway...