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Emlen'sGremlins : 3/6/2018 11:05 am
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arcarsenal : 3/6/2018 11:07 am : link
Kind of misleading.

I know they quote someone who thinks this in the article, but it's really just speculation. Doesn't sound like there's anything behind it.
Magic Johnson is about to get fined for this tampering.  
GiantFilthy : 3/6/2018 11:08 am : link
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Pauline usually knows his stuff  
jeff57 : 3/6/2018 11:12 am : link
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Fingers Crossed  
MojoEd : 3/6/2018 11:13 am : link
Great start; a Snacks for the OL. I expect NYG will draft 2 OLs in the first two days of the draft. In 2016 Gettleman at CAR drafted 3 CBs after letting Norman go (3 out of a total of 5 picks; RDs 2, 3, 5).
yeah, misleading -  
section125 : 3/6/2018 11:15 am : link
it is speculation. They cannot violate the tampering period.
Also Cousins to Minnestoa  
jeff57 : 3/6/2018 11:15 am : link
And Trumaine Johnson to San Fran are done deals according to Pauline.
Great news!  
ZogZerg : 3/6/2018 11:17 am : link
Hopefully we don't get nailed for tampering.
RE: Fingers Crossed  
GiantFilthy : 3/6/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13851971 MojoEd said:
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Great start; a Snacks for the OL. I expect NYG will draft 2 OLs in the first two days of the draft. In 2016 Gettleman at CAR drafted 3 CBs after letting Norman go (3 out of a total of 5 picks; RDs 2, 3, 5).

I really don't see the Giants going oline in the 1st round.
me likey  
Ryan in Albany : 3/6/2018 11:20 am : link
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Maybe heíll cut us a discount  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/6/2018 11:26 am : link
After all DG signed him as an undrafted free agent.
I think there's a decent chance Norwell...  
M.S. : 3/6/2018 11:27 am : link
...ends up in San Fran.

Hope he prefers New York, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high!
Tony Pauline was also the guy who said...  
Milton : 3/6/2018 11:29 am : link
that John Dorsey was the anonymous source who warned "stay away" from Josh Rosen. Which a) Dorsey vehemently denied, and b) why is Pauline outing an anonymous source that he quoted?

And how many times have we seen deals that were supposedly "all but a done deal" turn out to be anything but a done deal? A recent baseball example is Gerrit Cole to the Yankees.

It's easy to connect the dots given Gettleman signed Norwell as an undrafted free agent, Gettleman values OL, the Giants need OL, and Mike Shula is his former OC in Carolina, but there are still plenty of missing dots that could render the ones everyone is connecting as irrelevant.
There is zero chance we take OL  
ryanmkeane : 3/6/2018 11:29 am : link
at 2 if we stay at 2.
I rolled my eyes at this quote...  
Milton : 3/6/2018 11:34 am : link
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Gettlemanís high opinion of Norwell proved spot on in 2017 as the 6-foot-6, 325-pound lineman established himself as one of the most dominant in the game, earning his first All-Pro nod.
Not saying Gettleman doesn't have a woody for Norwell, but if he had such a high opinion of him in 2014, why didn't he draft him?
p.s.--It's like Belichick getting credit for drafting Brady. Not saying Belichick doesn't deserve credit, but if he truly believed Brady would be remotely the QB he became, why did he wait until the 6th round to pull the trigger? This is the same guy who spent 3rd round picks on Kevin O'Donnell, Ryan Mallett, and Jacoby Brissett.
RE: I rolled my eyes at this quote...  
giants#1 : 3/6/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 13852015 Milton said:
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Gettlemanís high opinion of Norwell proved spot on in 2017 as the 6-foot-6, 325-pound lineman established himself as one of the most dominant in the game, earning his first All-Pro nod.

Not saying Gettleman doesn't have a woody for Norwell, but if he had such a high opinion of him in 2014, why didn't he draft him?
p.s.--It's like Belichick getting credit for drafting Brady. Not saying Belichick doesn't deserve credit, but if he truly believed Brady would be remotely the QB he became, why did he wait until the 6th round to pull the trigger? This is the same guy who spent 3rd round picks on Kevin O'Donnell, Ryan Mallett, and Jacoby Brissett.


His opinion of Norwell over that time couldn't change? I think more indicative of DG's opinion of Norwell would be the huge deal given to Trai Turner.
The offensive line needs an offseason like the defensive line had  
Heisenberg : 3/6/2018 11:45 am : link
a couple years ago.
RE: RE: Fingers Crossed  
MojoEd : 3/6/2018 11:45 am : link
GiantFilthy said:

I really don't see the Giants going oline in the 1st round. [/quote]

Agreed, but I could see rounds ##2, 3. If we trade out of #2 down to 4, 5 or 6 (it would take a large set of stones to deal with the NYJ, but I think Gettleman would if he gets his price), I expect we would get a high #2 as part of the compensation, in which case I could see two round two OLs picked.
RE: RE: I rolled my eyes at this quote...  
Milton : 3/6/2018 11:46 am : link
In comment 13852026 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13852015 Milton said:


Quote: Gettlemanís high opinion of Norwell proved spot on in 2017 as the 6-foot-6, 325-pound lineman established himself as one of the most dominant in the game, earning his first All-Pro nod.

Not saying Gettleman doesn't have a woody for Norwell, but if he had such a high opinion of him in 2014, why didn't he draft him?


His opinion of Norwell over that time couldn't change?
Of course, it could and I imagine it did, but the original quote was dating the high opinion of him to the time he signed as an undrafted free agent (if you get what I mean).
RE: I rolled my eyes at this quote...  
nygiants16 : 3/6/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13852015 Milton said:
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Gettlemanís high opinion of Norwell proved spot on in 2017 as the 6-foot-6, 325-pound lineman established himself as one of the most dominant in the game, earning his first All-Pro nod.

Not saying Gettleman doesn't have a woody for Norwell, but if he had such a high opinion of him in 2014, why didn't he draft him?
p.s.--It's like Belichick getting credit for drafting Brady. Not saying Belichick doesn't deserve credit, but if he truly believed Brady would be remotely the QB he became, why did he wait until the 6th round to pull the trigger? This is the same guy who spent 3rd round picks on Kevin O'Donnell, Ryan Mallett, and Jacoby Brissett.


Wait so if a guy is drafted in the 6th or 7tg round and becomes a star the coach or GM doesn't get credit because when they drafted them they didn't expect them to become stars?

Huh? They drafted them because they saw something in those players but those players were big time projects, sometimes those projects hit..

When belichek drafted Brady of course he didn't see this no one did but I am sure he saw potential, that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve credit
So Milton by your logic  
nygiants16 : 3/6/2018 12:06 pm : link
If a guy is rated in the 6th or 7tg round the gm of a team should draft that player in the 2nd or 3rd round because he really likes them? They would get castrated...
No OL at #2  
Reale01 : 3/6/2018 12:06 pm : link
We could trade back and get Nelson at 4,5,6,7,8 with good "plan B" options if he is gone. Accumulate picks in round 2 some good OL likely to be there.
is it possible DG didn't draft him  
Dr. D : 3/6/2018 12:10 pm : link
because he thought he didn't have to and could sign him as an UDFA?

From what I've read, Norwell was considered borderline NFL material due to questionable athleticism and he was compared to another Ohio State OL (Boone) who also went undrafted (and signed as UDFA) about 5 years prior.
Looks like we are going all out  
TMS : 3/6/2018 12:28 pm : link
to compete this year if this is true. Could mean Brarkley (if he is there) or a trade out for more picks to get Nelson with Browns or Jets pick. Staying With ELI and Webb as the QBs. We are not going to start a new QB just drafted or wait two years for him to develop in this scenario. IT is a win now keague with little patience for losing. Teams turn it all around every year.
It really does seem to be a perfect fit for both sides  
Eric on Li : 3/6/2018 12:34 pm : link
Btw, last year Richburg, Fluker, and Pugh combined for about $13M. So he does kind of slot in nicely to hopefully do what those guys haven't been able to do - which is produce and stay healthy.
RE: So Milton by your logic  
Milton : 3/6/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13852070 nygiants16 said:
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If a guy is rated in the 6th or 7tg round the gm of a team should draft that player in the 2nd or 3rd round because he really likes them? They would get castrated...
If the guy has a 6th round grade, that's where he should be drafted. Why would you spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a guy with a 6th or 7th round grade??? Castration seems like a rather severe punishment, but he should be fired.
p.s.--And if the GM has a 2nd or 3rd round grade on a prospect, he shouldn't assume that other GMs have a 6th or 7th round grade on him just because that's the grade that the media assigns. When it comes to the draft, never assume that you're smarter than everyone else.
RE: Looks like we are going all out  
Milton : 3/6/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13852111 TMS said:
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to compete this year if this is true. Could mean Brarkley (if he is there) or a trade out for more picks to get Nelson with Browns or Jets pick. Staying With ELI and Webb as the QBs. We are not going to start a new QB just drafted or wait two years for him to develop in this scenario. IT is a win now keague with little patience for losing. Teams turn it all around every year.
I'm guessing if they sign Norwell, it won't be to a one year deal. It's not about winning now as opposed to winning later, it's about improving the team both now and later. Same with the #2 overall pick. If there is a QB worthy of the pick, there is no fucking way that Gettleman doesn't take him.
Just because we are signing  
ryanmkeane : 3/6/2018 12:49 pm : link
Norwell doesn't mean we are going "all in." Norwell is 26 coming off an all pro year. He'd be a good signing for any team.
What I am afraid of  
PaulN : 3/6/2018 12:51 pm : link
Is the ages of the people making the decision, Gettleman is 67, so does his desire to win now make him vulnerable to making a stupid decision? I hope not, I am not real confident in the Giants right now at all, in fact I would say it is the lowest it has been since the time before we got Young as GM.

John Mara has made too many stupid decisions in too short a time. Even how he screwed up the QB situation last season, and he screwed it up twice! Ending Eli's streak and not getting Webb a fucking snap is about as stupid as it gets. Firing Coughlin and keeping Reese, keeping Quinn forever when he proved to be horrible, hiring McAdoo. Now the Gettleman and Shurmer hiring, I they are the right hire, or we are going to be in deep shit.
milton, don't forget  
Dave : 3/6/2018 1:25 pm : link
teams know their board, but not the other teams boards
Anyone know why  
mrvax : 3/6/2018 2:46 pm : link
Norwell went undrafted? What did he lack? Off field issues? I know UDFAs occasionally turn out to start in the NFL but rarely at such a high level.
RE: What I am afraid of  
Essex : 3/6/2018 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13852155 PaulN said:
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Is the ages of the people making the decision, Gettleman is 67, so does his desire to win now make him vulnerable to making a stupid decision? I hope not, I am not real confident in the Giants right now at all, in fact I would say it is the lowest it has been since the time before we got Young as GM.

John Mara has made too many stupid decisions in too short a time. Even how he screwed up the QB situation last season, and he screwed it up twice! Ending Eli's streak and not getting Webb a fucking snap is about as stupid as it gets. Firing Coughlin and keeping Reese, keeping Quinn forever when he proved to be horrible, hiring McAdoo. Now the Gettleman and Shurmer hiring, I they are the right hire, or we are going to be in deep shit.


Gettleman's age does scare the crap out of me. He might not be thinking in terms of 10-15 years. Maybe he is, but that is something that I think is a legitimate concern. When you are 67 and you want to win now, you do things differently than someone who might be here for a long rebuild. With that said, if you don't win relatively quickly in this league you get canned anyway, so maybe his age is not as much of a factor in his decision making. I would hope Gettleman would believe his job is to get the foundation of something special going on here and whether or not he is here or not to enjoy the fruits of his labor is not his primary concern, since he saw how our fanbase did not forget about Ernie even though he left the year before 07.
RE: Anyone know why  
Dr. D : 3/6/2018 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13852366 mrvax said:
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Norwell went undrafted? What did he lack? Off field issues? I know UDFAs occasionally turn out to start in the NFL but rarely at such a high level.

I read there were concerns about a lack of athleticism.
RE: Anyone know why  
Milton : 3/6/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13852366 mrvax said:
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Norwell went undrafted? What did he lack? Off field issues? I know UDFAs occasionally turn out to start in the NFL but rarely at such a high level.
And it's not like he came out of nowhere, he went to Ohio State. I checked his combine numbers and they were unimpressive. That probably had a lot to do with it. Nobody saw the upside.
RE: Anyone know why  
Dr. D : 3/6/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13852366 mrvax said:
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Norwell went undrafted? What did he lack? Off field issues? I know UDFAs occasionally turn out to start in the NFL but rarely at such a high level.

more precise words were "borderline NFL prospect due to questionable athleticism"
simple offense revamp  
2cents : 3/6/2018 2:58 pm : link
sign norwell to anchor the line and draft saquon. along side a new outlook on offense and some relatively good health, our offense immediately goes from dreadful to average!

hell, with those play makers and the occasional deviation from the 11 formation, we may even score 30 pts 1 or 2 times this season!
yeah, combine numbers may have  
Dr. D : 3/6/2018 3:00 pm : link
been a big factor. Great example of why to take that shit with a big grain of salt.

From what I read, he performed well on the field at OS.
Signing  
AcidTest : 3/6/2018 3:13 pm : link
Norwell would be more proof that the Giants really do believe Eli can play another few years. A proven OL veteran is exactly what he needs. It may also be evidence they don't intend to take a QB at #2.
RE: Signing  
MookGiants : 3/6/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13852412 AcidTest said:
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Norwell would be more proof that the Giants really do believe Eli can play another few years. A proven OL veteran is exactly what he needs. It may also be evidence they don't intend to take a QB at #2.


This makes zero sense.

They need good lineman regardless of who is playing QB. So you're thinking they only want good veteran help on the line if they have Eli as QB, but not a stud rookie? Makes no sense at all
RE: RE: Signing  
AcidTest : 3/6/2018 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13852435 MookGiants said:
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Norwell would be more proof that the Giants really do believe Eli can play another few years. A proven OL veteran is exactly what he needs. It may also be evidence they don't intend to take a QB at #2.



This makes zero sense.

They need good lineman regardless of who is playing QB. So you're thinking they only want good veteran help on the line if they have Eli as QB, but not a stud rookie? Makes no sense at all


I think it's more likely they would want a vet OL to protect a completely immobile QB than a rookie who at least has some mobility. Even Rosen is more mobile than Eli. DG said he thought Eli had a few more years. Norwell will be extremely expensive to sign. They might be less likely to pay that amount if they had a more mobile QB.

But perhaps the issue isn't whether my analysis is right or wrong, but why you feel the need to adopt an aggressive, insulting tone instead of politely disagreeing.
RE: RE: RE: Signing  
GFAN52 : 3/6/2018 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13852448 AcidTest said:
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Norwell would be more proof that the Giants really do believe Eli can play another few years. A proven OL veteran is exactly what he needs. It may also be evidence they don't intend to take a QB at #2.



This makes zero sense.

They need good lineman regardless of who is playing QB. So you're thinking they only want good veteran help on the line if they have Eli as QB, but not a stud rookie? Makes no sense at all



I think it's more likely they would want a vet OL to protect a completely immobile QB than a rookie who at least has some mobility. Even Rosen is more mobile than Eli. DG said he thought Eli had a few more years. Norwell will be extremely expensive to sign. They might be less likely to pay that amount if they had a more mobile QB.

But perhaps the issue isn't whether my analysis is right or wrong, but why you feel the need to adopt an aggressive, insulting tone instead of politely disagreeing.



Norwell is a good ďyoungĒ. You need to build a line that can pass block AND run block.
Acid  
AcesUp : 3/6/2018 3:49 pm : link
You're overthinking this. I think we need to stop looking at every comment made in the media and every roster move as sign of what this team intends to do at #2.

We don't have anything at OL. No big dollars invested. No longterm solutions in place. Nothing. It's a total blank slate top to bottom. Norwell is the best 2nd contract offensive lineman available in free agency. I think it's as simple as that. There are still 3-4 other slots that they'll need to fill through cheaper free agent signings and the draft. Probably over two offseasons.
Its not a done deal  
Beer Man : 3/6/2018 5:34 pm : link
Until we hear it from Slade (;>
Christ another topic thatís not real  
Dave on the UWS : 3/6/2018 6:51 pm : link
complicated. It takes 5 guys to make a line. How many starters do we have now? Norwell would be 1 and 4 more to go. Thatís as complicated as this gets DG said fixing the line was a priority. Well this is move 1.
RE: Christ another topic thatís not real  
GFAN52 : 3/6/2018 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13852615 Dave on the UWS said:
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complicated. It takes 5 guys to make a line. How many starters do we have now? Norwell would be 1 and 4 more to go. Thatís as complicated as this gets DG said fixing the line was a priority. Well this is move 1.


Rebuilding the OL is not gong to happen in one offseason. It'll take another year at least to develop some quality OT's.
RE: I think there's a decent chance Norwell...  
santacruzom : 3/6/2018 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13851995 M.S. said:
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...ends up in San Fran.


Bah, he won't be able to afford living here.
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mfsd : 3/6/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13852629 GFAN52 said:
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complicated. It takes 5 guys to make a line. How many starters do we have now? Norwell would be 1 and 4 more to go. Thatís as complicated as this gets DG said fixing the line was a priority. Well this is move 1.



Rebuilding the OL is not gong to happen in one offseason. It'll take another year at least to develop some quality OT's.


Agree, the OL and really the whole roster is a 2 year rebuild. But Norwell would be an awesome piece to start with
RE: What I am afraid of  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/6/2018 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13852155 PaulN said:
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Is the ages of the people making the decision, Gettleman is 67, so does his desire to win now make him vulnerable to making a stupid decision? I hope not, I am not real confident in the Giants right now at all, in fact I would say it is the lowest it has been since the time before we got Young as GM.


You should re-watch his first press conference. He made it quite clear that he understands his role isn't just to win now, but to protect the long term view as well.
Think Barkley in our offense  
TMS : 3/6/2018 7:32 pm : link
with a few offensive upgrades on the OL makes us contenders next year. ELI is far from done and the GM an HC know that. We will see.
RE: There is zero chance we take OL  
TMS : 3/6/2018 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13852001 ryanmkeane said:
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at 2 if we stay at 2.
Right ,maybe at six
RE: how many years to rebuild the OL  
Dr. D : 3/7/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 13852629 GFAN52 said:
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Rebuilding the OL is not gong to happen in one offseason. It'll take another year at least to develop some quality OT's.

The Vikings just totally rebuilt their OL in one season, so why can't we? Sure, it might be better in year 2 than year 1, but I think DG can rebuild it sufficiently for us to compete.

You also have to consider the impact of better playcalling and effective use of a TE like Ellison and maybe a FB. Mcadoo sucked at all that.

If the Giants can't win this auction  
mrvax : 3/7/2018 4:26 pm : link
for Norwell, they should go for John Sullivan and Chris Hubbard. That would fix 2 positions right away.
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