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Peter King....Rosen biggest riser after NFL combine......

sxdxca : 3/7/2018 1:21 am
Here are some quotes

"Rosen was the sharpest of all the quarterbacks Coach A met with at the combine in terms of how quickly he processed information and adapted to new terminology during one-on-one meetings: “He was very impressive. He knows football inside and out.”

Coach B concurred: “It’s not close. He’s by far the most advanced.”

"I know NFL folks have concerns about Josh Rosen's durability bc of his past injuries, but from talking to Pac-12 DCs I know they don't doubt his toughness at all after seeing him get blitzed 46 times in a game and kept getting back up,"

Here is a comparison of Rosen's dropped passes compared to Allen and Mayfield's

Josh Allen only 12 dropped passes.
Baker Mayfield 26 dropped passes
Josh Rosen 35 dropped passes

Here is the article , links at the bottom



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RE: RE: The smoke  
Thegratefulhead : 3/7/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 13852942 Milton said:
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In comment 13852930 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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This year is really elevated as compared to prior years.

It's a combination of relaxed marijuana laws across the country and all of the cross-breeding going on between sativas and indicas.
Hybrids are happy.
RE: Durability is his only big concern.  
Brown Recluse : 3/7/2018 9:21 am : link
In comment 13852955 Heisenberg said:
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.


Doesn't that kind of take the Aaron Rodgers out of Aaron Rodgers though?
RE: What about his record at UCLA?  
bw in dc : 3/7/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 13852970 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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What are some of his landmark wins?

Or even notable losses vs. better competition?

I remember Ernie Accorsi's notes on the game where Eli singlehandedly kept his outmatched Ole Miss team in its game vs. an Auburn powerhouse. Is there any evidence of something like that with any of this current QB class?


He’s had them. In his frosh year, UCLA hosted then 20th ranked Cal, with Jared Goff, and Rosen put on a clinic. They won and Rosen completely outdueled Goff. This year UCLA came back from being down 38-10 against Texas A&M and won by a point. Something like the biggest comeback in D1 in 15 years...
RE: Josh Rosen is Eli 2.0, minus 17 years  
Thegratefulhead : 3/7/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13852953 Dave said:
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PLUS 2 known concussions and a throwing shoulder injury

don't doubt the talent but worry about the durability

(disclaimer, not a darnold fan either, too many turnovers)
Known concussions. I like the way you phrased that. Eli stands in there and takes the hit, always has. I am sure Eli had more concussions in college than Rosen. You ever see that look on face when no one is watching him, kinda glassy and dufus. That's the concussions right there:)
All of this is a gamble  
Essex : 3/7/2018 9:27 am : link
even the great "Saquon Barkley" has bust potential. But, given Rosen's position and his attributes, if he is there at number 2 and we don't take him, I have a feeling that will be a decision we regret for a very, very long time.
As much as my man crush  
ryanmkeane : 3/7/2018 9:27 am : link
on Barkley has grown to ridiculous status, Rosen is the real deal and if we take him at 2, you really can't argue with it.
RE: RE: Durability is his only big concern.  
Heisenberg : 3/7/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 13852990 Brown Recluse said:
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.



Doesn't that kind of take the Aaron Rodgers out of Aaron Rodgers though?


it does, but Rodgers also has exceptional accuracy and timing and is in absolute command of his offense. That's what I think Rosen can do if he can stay healthy.
RE: Durability is his only big concern.  
bw in dc : 3/7/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 13852955 Heisenberg said:
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.


I like Rosen, but he’s nowhere near the athlete or thrower of a football that Rodgers is. I wish he was. But you are comparing him to the best physically gifted QB that’s ever walked on this planet...
RE: RE: Durability is his only big concern.  
Rover : 3/7/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13853049 bw in dc said:
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.



I like Rosen, but he’s nowhere near the athlete or thrower of a football that Rodgers is. I wish he was. But you are comparing him to the best physically gifted QB that’s ever walked on this planet...

Which is why Rodgers was a late 1st round pick?
Anyone can get hurt at any time.  
Dave on the UWS : 3/7/2018 10:03 am : link
Rosen would be sitting for a year behind Eli, which should help with the concussion issue. (there is some medical evidence to suggest that a good period of time resting the brain after a concussion reduces the risk of a second concussion- not sure I agree with that but its something to think about.)
I think Rosen is worth a #2 pick in any draft- that is one of DG's criteria.
bw  
ryanmkeane : 3/7/2018 10:10 am : link
you could argue Rosen is a better prospect than Rodgers was coming out of college
RE: RE: Josh Rosen is Eli 2.0, minus 17 years  
Diver_Down : 3/7/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13852997 Thegratefulhead said:
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PLUS 2 known concussions and a throwing shoulder injury

don't doubt the talent but worry about the durability

(disclaimer, not a darnold fan either, too many turnovers)

Known concussions. I like the way you phrased that. Eli stands in there and takes the hit, always has. I am sure Eli had more concussions in college than Rosen. You ever see that look on face when no one is watching him, kinda glassy and dufus. That's the concussions right there:)


That is just the evolution of football and the sports in general. There is far more scrutiny on head injuries and much more liberal diagnosis. Every little headache, dizziness, etc. is a concussion. Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't. But the diagnosis errs on the side of caution.

When Eli played in college, it was a different tolerance for such symptoms. You can go back each subsequent class of players and if those players were asked, they would say they played through symptoms that would otherwise be classified as a concussion, nowadays.
RE: RE: RE: Durability is his only big concern.  
bw in dc : 3/7/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13853078 Rover said:
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Which is why Rodgers was a late 1st round pick?


If I had to guess - his throwing motion. But what does that matter now?
There was a reason Rodgers fell in the draft.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/7/2018 10:37 am : link
Some of it was mechanical. Rodgers himself says he benefitted from not having to play early, IIRC.
I know the concussions give a lot of us pause  
Dave on the UWS : 3/7/2018 10:46 am : link
but can you see us winning a SB with Rosen? can you see him being a frequent Pro-bowler? I think you roll the dice.
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Jay on the Island : 3/7/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 13852850 Kev in Cali said:
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Ryan Fitzpatrick was pretty smart too.......

If this was an attempted shot at Rosen it was a huge fail. Fitzpatrick has had a long career where he has been the starting QB for several franchise despite lacking the arm strength and draft pedigree. He has been in the NFL for over 10 years.
Rosen is my guy  
Jay on the Island : 3/7/2018 10:52 am : link
I was torn between Darnold and Rosen but Rosen has won me over lately. A year learning behind Eli will help him in several ways.
I don't think it took the combine  
David B. : 3/7/2018 11:07 am : link
Football people have been saying this all along. Rosen is the most ready, has top-level arm talent, accuracy, and is the furthest along mentally. He COULD start day-1 (but doesn't have to) He has the "highest floor" of any of them, and that has been known all along.

People want Darnold for his IT factor and his escapability. Fair enough. He's got a lot going for him, and I'd be fine with him. He'd be able to sit behind Eli longer than Rosen (presumably) because he ISN'T ready yet.

People love Allen's measurables. High ceiling there, but not a high floor. His accuracy issues worry me. Some people feel he's more Jake Locker than Rothlesberger or Wentz.

Mayfield is going to rub some franchises the wrong way. His talent is there, but the size and the personality won't tick everyone's boxes.

Jackson - you have to commit yourself to building your offenses around his skill set ala Mike Vick/RG3. It's still going to be a lot about beating teams with his legs more than his arm. If he goes down (and if he's running a lot, he will), can your less-athletic backup be effective in that system?

Darkhorse? Mason Rudolph. Sharp kid. Top of the 2nd round anyone? Don't forget, the Chargers took Tomlinson in the first and Drew Brees second.

So for me (and I SUSPECT MANY GMs) it's been Rosen all along. And while I prefer Rosen, I'd be cool with Darnold too. There's be less pressure on him to start as soon.

The other guys don't intrigue me that much.
RE: bw  
bw in dc : 3/7/2018 11:09 am : link
In comment 13853095 ryanmkeane said:
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you could argue Rosen is a better prospect than Rodgers was coming out of college


Hard to say knowing what we know now about ARod. But Cal had a very good year Arod's senior year and he had very good numbers...granted they ran the ball a ton with JJ Arrington...
Will Rosen still be wonderful  
HomerJones45 : 3/7/2018 11:10 am : link
after his next concussion when his Dad talks him into retiring with his millions and his marbles intact?

No doubt the talent is there etc etc, but he is a risk
Luckily  
lax counsel : 3/7/2018 11:10 am : link
The Giants will have a guaranteed shot at one of Darnold or Rosen. I like Rosen a lot, but think Darnold is going to be a star as well. Best case scenario, Cleveland takes Barkley at 1 and the Giants have the choice of either of the two qbs.
RE: Will Rosen still be wonderful  
bw in dc : 3/7/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13853209 HomerJones45 said:
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No doubt the talent is there etc etc, but he is a risk
Based on Rosen's position, you can argue he is the biggest risk in this draft...
Duh  
Jay in Toronto : 3/7/2018 11:18 am : link
A yiddishe kop

;)
RE: RE: RE: RE: Durability is his only big concern.  
Rover : 3/7/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13853148 bw in dc said:
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Which is why Rodgers was a late 1st round pick?



If I had to guess - his throwing motion. But what does that matter now?

Because to say Rosen isn't close to Rodgers now, well Rodgers at draft time obviously wasn't close to what Rodgers became.
RE: RE: Will Rosen still be wonderful  
Milton : 3/7/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 13853223 bw in dc said:
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Based on Rosen's position, you can argue he is the biggest risk in this draft...
Based on Barkley's position, you could argue he is the biggest risk in this draft....
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Durability is his only big concern.  
bw in dc : 3/7/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13853247 Rover said:
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Because to say Rosen isn't close to Rodgers now, well Rodgers at draft time obviously wasn't close to what Rodgers became.


I'm not asking to be condescending, but did yo watch Rodgers at Cal? He was a considerably better mover than Rosen. His athleticism jumped out...
Rosen is the only QB  
Old Dirty : 3/7/2018 11:49 am : link
that I'd be ok with the Giants drafting. I'd prefer Barkley or Rosen at #2. If not them, trade down and accumulate some premium picks. We are very thin at LB and need serious upgrades at OL. I wouldn't be upset if we went in any of these directions.
One thing not mentioned  
Stan in LA : 3/7/2018 12:18 pm : link
Was the TERRIBLE coaching Rosen got at UCLA. It's common knowledge that they wasted the most talented player in the country for 3 years.
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arcarsenal : 3/7/2018 12:28 pm : link
All you have to decide with Josh Rosen is how worried you are about his injury history.

He's the best QB in this draft. Hands down.
RE: One thing not mentioned  
bw in dc : 3/7/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13853302 Stan in LA said:
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Was the TERRIBLE coaching Rosen got at UCLA. It's common knowledge that they wasted the most talented player in the country for 3 years.


Ironically, Rosen loves Mora...
The question becomes  
The 12th Man : 3/7/2018 12:32 pm : link
why are so many of his receivers dropping balls. Is it them or does he just throw a bad ball that they have trouble catching. That many drops is crazy.
UCLA Defense  
GoBlue6599 : 3/7/2018 12:35 pm : link
For those who want to know why Rosen didn't win more in College do some research on UCLA defense... they gave up nearly 300 yards rushing per game and nearly 36 ppg one of the worse defenses in Division 1
How many football games are you gonna win with a defense like that?
RE: UCLA Defense  
arcarsenal : 3/7/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13853318 GoBlue6599 said:
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For those who want to know why Rosen didn't win more in College do some research on UCLA defense... they gave up nearly 300 yards rushing per game and nearly 36 ppg one of the worse defenses in Division 1
How many football games are you gonna win with a defense like that?


This is exactly how I answered the concerns over his college record.

The UCLA defense was horrid - particularly the run defense. They couldn't stop anyone.

Rosen had to throw for about 450 and several scores for them to even be in some games.

The shootout against Memphis was wild. Rosen threw for 464 yards and 4 scores and LOST.
RE: RE: UCLA Defense  
GoBlue6599 : 3/7/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13853321 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13853318 GoBlue6599 said:


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For those who want to know why Rosen didn't win more in College do some research on UCLA defense... they gave up nearly 300 yards rushing per game and nearly 36 ppg one of the worse defenses in Division 1
How many football games are you gonna win with a defense like that?



This is exactly how I answered the concerns over his college record.

The UCLA defense was horrid - particularly the run defense. They couldn't stop anyone.

Rosen had to throw for about 450 and several scores for them to even be in some games.

The shootout against Memphis was wild. Rosen threw for 464 yards and 4 scores and LOST.

Yes they were awful ... When u see UCLA defense bet the over
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Eman11 : 3/7/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13853307 arcarsenal said:
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All you have to decide with Josh Rosen is how worried you are about his injury history.

He's the best QB in this draft. Hands down.


I agree with you but for me I am worried about his injury history and because of that I'd pass on him. Without it, he's a no brainier and even being a huge Eli fan, I wouldn't be pissed if they drafted him.
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arcarsenal : 3/7/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13853333 Eman11 said:
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In comment 13853307 arcarsenal said:


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All you have to decide with Josh Rosen is how worried you are about his injury history.

He's the best QB in this draft. Hands down.



I agree with you but for me I am worried about his injury history and because of that I'd pass on him. Without it, he's a no brainier and even being a huge Eli fan, I wouldn't be pissed if they drafted him.


That's really all it comes down to here.

I think it's a significant concern, too. But for me, Rosen is the top QB in this draft if you're going on ability.

It'll be up to Gettleman and the scouts to make that determination - if they decide to draft him, I'm on board.
RE: Will Rosen still be wonderful  
twostepgiants : 3/7/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13853209 HomerJones45 said:
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after his next concussion when his Dad talks him into retiring with his millions and his marbles intact?

No doubt the talent is there etc etc, but he is a risk


Where do you guys get this nonsense? If any of these can be talked into career decisions by Daddy then they shouldn’t be the pick.

Is there an ounce of evidence to suggest that Rosen does what Daddy tells him?

Or for that matter what his Dad even thinks? Plenty of neurologists (which his dad is not- he does spinal surgery) think the number of concussions doesn’t matter

This is just rampant baseless speculation
RE: RE: Will Rosen still be wonderful  
bw in dc : 3/7/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13853377 twostepgiants said:
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Or for that matter what his Dad even thinks? Plenty of neurologists (which his dad is not- he does spinal surgery) think the number of concussions doesn’t matter

This is just rampant baseless speculation


I really thinking you are reading too much into this. I think Homer is mostly kibitzing...
RE: RE: Durability is his only big concern.  
Heisenberg : 3/7/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13853049 bw in dc said:
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.



I like Rosen, but he’s nowhere near the athlete or thrower of a football that Rodgers is. I wish he was. But you are comparing him to the best physically gifted QB that’s ever walked on this planet...


That's fair. Rodgers was the first guy who came to my head when I was thinking of a guy who was completely in command of the offense. The ways in which Rosen and Ryan are different probably distract from what I am getting at. I guess I'll go with a comparison I've read other places - "A Better Matt Ryan".
Rosen isn’t a better prospect than Rodgers  
KWALL2 : 3/7/2018 3:46 pm : link
Rodgers dropped because the NFL was hung up on 2 things:

1. Tedford and his QBs failing in NFL
2. He held the ball by his ear on the drop.

Both ridiculous.

He did not have any issue with this throwing motion. He ripped it out fast. The release was fast and he can snap it on the move in college. Rosen is good throwing on the move but not like Rodgers was at Cal.

Failure of guys like Akili Smith, Boller, Harrington, etc. These failures have nothing to do with the next prospect but Rodgers got knocked for it.

Rosen isn’t in ths class but he throws and moves a lot better than Ryan.
Passing on Rosen  
UESBLUE : 3/7/2018 3:54 pm : link
will haunt this franchise for a decade...
i seriously cant believe there is  
jintz4life : 3/7/2018 4:01 pm : link
even any consideration on passing on rosen, even with the potential iffy medicals

he's the best qb in the draft and is made to handle the ny media and could potentially give us our own favre to rodgers type longevity

passing on him would be awful
If the Giants don't pick Rosen  
mrvax : 3/7/2018 4:56 pm : link
it will be because the Browns did or the Giants were concerned about his injury history.

Us fans just don't know how to look at Rosen's injuries and determine the risk involved. Should the Giants find themselves on the fence about this, they can always red shirt him for a year. Allow him time to recover and get stronger.
Josh Rosen  
GoBlue6599 : 3/7/2018 5:05 pm : link
There is really no doubt in my mind the Giants take Rosen or Darnold.. Rosen being my preference, maybe I'm wrong but being in the position this team is in it would shock me not to see 1 of the 2 being Giants on draft day
RE: Rosen isn’t a better prospect than Rodgers  
bw in dc : 3/7/2018 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13853600 KWALL2 said:
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Rodgers dropped because the NFL was hung up on 2 things:

He did not have any issue with this throwing motion. He ripped it out fast. The release was fast and he can snap it on the move in college. Rosen is good throwing on the move but not like Rodgers was at Cal.
But ARod did shorten his motion and release. And it's paid great dividends...
I won't be happy...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/7/2018 6:09 pm : link
Unless Gettleman wheels and deals and manages to draft Barkley, Nelson AND Rosen.
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arcarsenal : 3/7/2018 6:10 pm : link
Dupe alert...
bw  
KWALL2 : 3/8/2018 4:32 pm : link
Rodgers had a quick release in college. The only thing he changed was where he held the ball. He kept it up high and snapped it out fast. The release was never a problem. The only concern was ball security with the ball up high.
Rosen is the pick I want as well. Still hoping we shed  
Jimmy Googs : 3/8/2018 8:44 pm : link
ourselves of Eli somehow though as I believe the restructuring process of the NY Giants still centers around replacing him sooner vs later.

Anyway, I would not discount Rosen's ability to jump over Eli at some point next season if he is the pick...
RE: Rosen is the pick I want as well. Still hoping we shed  
GFAN52 : 3/8/2018 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13855723 Jimmy Googs said:
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ourselves of Eli somehow though as I believe the restructuring process of the NY Giants still centers around replacing him sooner vs later.

Anyway, I would not discount Rosen's ability to jump over Eli at some point next season if he is the pick...


Barring an injury, I don't see him replacing Eli this season.
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