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"Rosen was the sharpest of all the quarterbacks Coach A met with at the combine in terms of how quickly he processed information and adapted to new terminology during one-on-one meetings: “He was very impressive. He knows football inside and out.”
Coach B concurred: “It’s not close. He’s by far the most advanced.”
"I know NFL folks have concerns about Josh Rosen's durability bc of his past injuries, but from talking to Pac-12 DCs I know they don't doubt his toughness at all after seeing him get blitzed 46 times in a game and kept getting back up,"
Here is a comparison of Rosen's dropped passes compared to Allen and Mayfield's
Josh Allen only 12 dropped passes.
Baker Mayfield 26 dropped passes
Josh Rosen 35 dropped passes
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Rosen is an intellectual. He needs to start day 1 though.
Rosen is an intellectual. He needs to start day 1 though.
Ryan Fitzpatrick was pretty smart too.......
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Trent dilfer said it best
Rosen is an intellectual. He needs to start day 1 though.
Ryan Fitzpatrick was pretty smart too.......
And he's been in the NFL for 13 years. Just doesn't have the same physical talent or size as Rosen.
...Giants should hand in their card with the name Josh Rosen in bold lettering.
Based on this I don't see how Cleveland doesn't take him. They absolutely need a long-term QB
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Trent dilfer said it best
Rosen is an intellectual. He needs to start day 1 though.
Ryan Fitzpatrick was pretty smart too.......
And he's been in the NFL for 13 years. Just doesn't have the same physical talent or size as Rosen.
Doing what...other than a quality backup....? You are correct though, he was drafted in the 7th at 6'2" 223....my point being, intellect and scholastic talent doesn't translate to NFL success. Eli wasn't the smartest kid in his school either...
Opposite end of the spectrum, John Manziel physically talented, but a knuckle head....
I also find it kind of comical that some people who use *shelf life* as a counterpoint to drafting a RB, have no issue with the team taking a chance on a QB with durability concerns. Barkley could potentially be playing longer than Rosen.
My overall preference is Barkley. But if they do draft a QB, I hope its Darnold. If its Rosen, I'll be happy as well...and hope they figure out how to keep him healthy.
The problem is Rosen is going to be hit by bigger and faster guys than in college. Once you start breaking in the NFL - ala Tony Romo - it never really goes away. Even Aaron Rodgers - who avoids contact all the time - has missed a full season of games over the last 5 years.
And remember, Rosen measured at bigger than Darnold.
But you have to be on the field to demonstrate that acumen.
Barkley / Odell rivaling the success of Bell / Brown intrigues me also. Albeit the necessary offensive line upgrade.
This 20 year old kid crushed the competition at the mic, for what it's worth.
That, plus no one is questioning he is the most accurate, except Baker himself.
In fact, I went to the videos to see if Baker helped himself. He only re-inforced my feeling, no way John Mara hands this kid the keys to the franchise.
Josh Rosen is Eli 2.0, minus 17 years. That would not be so bad.
don't doubt the talent but worry about the durability
(disclaimer, not a darnold fan either, too many turnovers)
Or even notable losses vs. better competition?
I remember Ernie Accorsi's notes on the game where Eli singlehandedly kept his outmatched Ole Miss team in its game vs. an Auburn powerhouse. Is there any evidence of something like that with any of this current QB class?
Or even notable losses vs. better competition?
I remember Ernie Accorsi's notes on the game where Eli singlehandedly kept his outmatched Ole Miss team in its game vs. an Auburn powerhouse. Is there any evidence of something like that with any of this current QB class?
Not sure what game Ernie is referencing, but Eli played Auburn three times in his college career, and they were not a ranked opponent in any game. Their records at the time were 6-3, 6-4, and 2-0.
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This year is really elevated as compared to prior years.
It's a combination of relaxed marijuana laws across the country and all of the cross-breeding going on between sativas and indicas.
Doesn't that kind of take the Aaron Rodgers out of Aaron Rodgers though?
Or even notable losses vs. better competition?
I remember Ernie Accorsi's notes on the game where Eli singlehandedly kept his outmatched Ole Miss team in its game vs. an Auburn powerhouse. Is there any evidence of something like that with any of this current QB class?
He’s had them. In his frosh year, UCLA hosted then 20th ranked Cal, with Jared Goff, and Rosen put on a clinic. They won and Rosen completely outdueled Goff. This year UCLA came back from being down 38-10 against Texas A&M and won by a point. Something like the biggest comeback in D1 in 15 years...
don't doubt the talent but worry about the durability
(disclaimer, not a darnold fan either, too many turnovers)
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.
Doesn't that kind of take the Aaron Rodgers out of Aaron Rodgers though?
it does, but Rodgers also has exceptional accuracy and timing and is in absolute command of his offense. That's what I think Rosen can do if he can stay healthy.
I like Rosen, but he’s nowhere near the athlete or thrower of a football that Rodgers is. I wish he was. But you are comparing him to the best physically gifted QB that’s ever walked on this planet...
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.
I like Rosen, but he’s nowhere near the athlete or thrower of a football that Rodgers is. I wish he was. But you are comparing him to the best physically gifted QB that’s ever walked on this planet...
Which is why Rodgers was a late 1st round pick?
I think Rosen is worth a #2 pick in any draft- that is one of DG's criteria.
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PLUS 2 known concussions and a throwing shoulder injury
don't doubt the talent but worry about the durability
(disclaimer, not a darnold fan either, too many turnovers)
Known concussions. I like the way you phrased that. Eli stands in there and takes the hit, always has. I am sure Eli had more concussions in college than Rosen. You ever see that look on face when no one is watching him, kinda glassy and dufus. That's the concussions right there:)
That is just the evolution of football and the sports in general. There is far more scrutiny on head injuries and much more liberal diagnosis. Every little headache, dizziness, etc. is a concussion. Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't. But the diagnosis errs on the side of caution.
When Eli played in college, it was a different tolerance for such symptoms. You can go back each subsequent class of players and if those players were asked, they would say they played through symptoms that would otherwise be classified as a concussion, nowadays.
Which is why Rodgers was a late 1st round pick?
If I had to guess - his throwing motion. But what does that matter now?
Ryan Fitzpatrick was pretty smart too.......
If this was an attempted shot at Rosen it was a huge fail. Fitzpatrick has had a long career where he has been the starting QB for several franchise despite lacking the arm strength and draft pedigree. He has been in the NFL for over 10 years.
People want Darnold for his IT factor and his escapability. Fair enough. He's got a lot going for him, and I'd be fine with him. He'd be able to sit behind Eli longer than Rosen (presumably) because he ISN'T ready yet.
People love Allen's measurables. High ceiling there, but not a high floor. His accuracy issues worry me. Some people feel he's more Jake Locker than Rothlesberger or Wentz.
Mayfield is going to rub some franchises the wrong way. His talent is there, but the size and the personality won't tick everyone's boxes.
Jackson - you have to commit yourself to building your offenses around his skill set ala Mike Vick/RG3. It's still going to be a lot about beating teams with his legs more than his arm. If he goes down (and if he's running a lot, he will), can your less-athletic backup be effective in that system?
Darkhorse? Mason Rudolph. Sharp kid. Top of the 2nd round anyone? Don't forget, the Chargers took Tomlinson in the first and Drew Brees second.
So for me (and I SUSPECT MANY GMs) it's been Rosen all along. And while I prefer Rosen, I'd be cool with Darnold too. There's be less pressure on him to start as soon.
The other guys don't intrigue me that much.
Hard to say knowing what we know now about ARod. But Cal had a very good year Arod's senior year and he had very good numbers...granted they ran the ball a ton with JJ Arrington...
No doubt the talent is there etc etc, but he is a risk
No doubt the talent is there etc etc, but he is a risk