Ian Rapoport
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Takeaway from the Scouting Combine: He won’t go No. 1, but at least a few teams I spoke with have #NotreDame G Quenton Nelson as their top overall player. Countless scouts cracked up discussing his film and how he just buried guys over and over. & #9904;& #65039;
His tape is off the charts.
Robert Gallery was a Tackle. Nelson is a Guard.
The QBs give that top end a boost this year
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or is there more top end talent in this draft than in most others?
The QBs give that top end a boost this year
Def. In any other year, if it was just Rosen and Darnold, all the talk would be about which guy is 1 and which is 2.
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JK, but I wouldn't take him at 2.
Robert Gallery was a Tackle. Nelson is a Guard.
He was a bust at tackle and moved to guard
Which was why I asked if we have a dilemma at #2 last week.
You’re up high so you feel pressure to draft the QB, but don’t you want the best players?
My guess in that scenerio would be Tremain Edmunds at #5, and the best two offensive lineman on the board at our second round picka and (presumably) the second we get from Denver.
BUT, if they did draft Nelson and we went into the season with both him and Norwell - you can't be too unhappy with that.
BUT, if they did draft Nelson and we went into the season with both him and Norwell - you can't be too unhappy with that.
And the tackles will be?
...no one seems to be able to slide off his block once contact is made.
If he gets his body on you, good luck.
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Which was why I asked if we have a dilemma at #2 last week.
You’re up high so you feel pressure to draft the QB, but don’t you want the best players?
No dilemma.
If Cleveland passes on Josh Rosen, take it to the bank that the UCLA QB will be a Giant.
And if Cleveland is smart and select Josh Rosen... well, then we have a ton of options, one of which may be trading back.
That's no dilemma!
No having the 2nd pick you just hear about these guys more than usual...if Myles Garrett was in this draft he would be a dream #2 pick in an ocean on QBs with Qs
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Barkley, Rosen, Darnold, or even Chubb for Nelson.
BUT, if they did draft Nelson and we went into the season with both him and Norwell - you can't be too unhappy with that.
And the tackles will be?
Everything can't be fixed in a year.
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Barkley, Rosen, Darnold, or even Chubb for Nelson.
BUT, if they did draft Nelson and we went into the season with both him and Norwell - you can't be too unhappy with that.
And the tackles will be?
I'm not sure what the tackles have to do with anything. They'll probably be addressed in the same manner regardless of whether or not Nelson is drafted.
I am holding onto hope Cleveland offers a crap load of draft picks to get the number 2 pick. Nelson at pick 4 would be my favorite scenario while also getting a couple of the 2nd round picks, a 4th and next years 1st rounder.
No doubt. It would have to be a part of a large overhaul.
Exactly
I might have got up and started fighting after that disrespect
I'd take Nelson in a trade down but NOT at #2.
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and Barkley, to take a guard at #2 overall would be malpractice
I'd take Nelson in a trade down but NOT at #2.
Agree, if a team like Denver gives us their 5, 2nd, 3rd, and 1st next year...then I might say yes and call it a day.
If this isn't a game changer, its a huge assist.
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I'm not convinced I would take Nelson at #2 even if I knew he was the next Larry Allen.
If this isn't a game changer, its a huge assist.
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Name on olinemen who has won an regular season MVP or SB MVP? Yes, I'm being rhetorical, but you get the point. When you draft this high the prospect has to be a player who can alter the outcome of the game...
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If this isn't a game changer, its a huge assist.
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Name on olinemen who has won an regular season MVP or SB MVP? Yes, I'm being rhetorical, but you get the point. When you draft this high the prospect has to be a player who can alter the outcome of the game...
Left Tackles are drafted this high if they're good enough, and they are linemen.
Linemen do alter the outcomes of games...by keeping the QB upright and opening holes for the RB. Two things that don't happen very often for this team currently, especially against teams like the Eagles. I'd much rather them take a QB or Barkley, or even Chubb...but if they draft Nelson I won't mind. If he keeps players like Fletcher Cox out of Eli's face - no one is really going to care where he was drafted.
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If this isn't a game changer, its a huge assist.
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Name on olinemen who has won an regular season MVP or SB MVP? Yes, I'm being rhetorical, but you get the point. When you draft this high the prospect has to be a player who can alter the outcome of the game...
Dominating the LOS is exactly how you change the outcome of games. I would try to get him after a trade down to a team willing to pay for their QB.
Nelson, +a 2, a 3, next years 1, for a 2 is also how you give yourself a chance to win consistently, not just one and done
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Name on olinemen who has won an regular season MVP or SB MVP? Yes, I'm being rhetorical, but you get the point. When you draft this high the prospect has to be a player who can alter the outcome of the game...
I would argue that a G or any Olineman (who will never win an MVP) can alter a game. Those MVPs don't become MVPs without those Olineman
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Linemen do alter the outcomes of games...by keeping the QB upright and opening holes for the RB. Two things that don't happen very often for this team currently, especially against teams like the Eagles. I'd much rather them take a QB or Barkley, or even Chubb...but if they draft Nelson I won't mind. If he keeps players like Fletcher Cox out of Eli's face - no one is really going to care where he was drafted.
That's a better argument. However, the Browns drafted a HoF LT in Joe Thomas. How is that working out without a QB? ;)
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In comment 13853214 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13853184 Brown Recluse said:
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Linemen do alter the outcomes of games...by keeping the QB upright and opening holes for the RB. Two things that don't happen very often for this team currently, especially against teams like the Eagles. I'd much rather them take a QB or Barkley, or even Chubb...but if they draft Nelson I won't mind. If he keeps players like Fletcher Cox out of Eli's face - no one is really going to care where he was drafted.
That's a better argument. However, the Browns drafted a HoF LT in Joe Thomas. How is that working out without a QB? ;)
Ask that question to 3 out of the 4 teams in this years championship games
Sure try to trade down, that would be ideal assuming you still get him, but its also risky. Also you can make the same "impact" argument about any player. For example what good would the top RB do behind an OL that can't block, or what good is a top QB if he's on the bench for 2 years, or if he plays he's behind an OL that can't block?
Take the guy you want.
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JK, but I wouldn't take him at 2.
Robert Gallery was a Tackle. Nelson is a Guard.
Yes that's true, but the point, Gallery actually more
valuable as OT was one of the draft busts, people had
speculated he was good as Boselli. I'd rather take a
chance on a QB than a G, the payoff is much higher.
Nelson is not going to bring us the SB. He would help,
but at #2 you must go QB, you may never be there again,
I can acknowledge the Barkley support given the amount
of praise he's gotten, his performance at Combine and he
look the part.
P, PK, C, LS, S, G, all important BUT, not at #2.
And unless a few scouts want to give their opinion,
can anyone tell me with authority that Rosen isn't a better
player than Nelson. Or Barkley better than Darnold.
We all for the most must rely on the opinions of draft
guru's or stories from GM's & Coaches who are giving
disinformation.
(1) Despite his (very) large size, he comes off the line at a perfect angle with tremendous leverage;
(2) He gets to the second level and nearly always finds his man;
(3) He generates so many seal blocks it's almost comical;
(4) His head is on a swivel and he's fantastic picking up stunts;
(5) He knows when to come off his block to help his teammates;
(6) No one slips his block once he latches on;
(7) 1-on-1 he drives defensive tackles off the line.
The only criticism I have is that he seems to stand a little too upright on pass blocking and can lose a step or two of real estate. But, then again, not too many ever get around him and I've never seen him run over. Never.
One last thing: he plays to the whistle much to the chagrin of defenders, many of whom find themselves planted because they felt the play was already over. Big fucking mistake. Quenton Nelson isn't out there to be a nice guy... this in one Mo-Fo.
If the Giants don't go QB at #2, I sure as hell won't complain to hear this beast announced as the newest Giant!
Ask that question to 3 out of the 4 teams in this years championship games
I'm quite certain this year was an outlier. There is enough history filed that the QB position is vastly more critical than the oline.
(1) Despite his (very) large size, he comes off the line at a perfect angle with tremendous leverage;
(2) He gets to the second level and nearly always finds his man;
(3) He generates so many seal blocks it's almost comical;
(4) His head is on a swivel and he's fantastic picking up stunts;
(5) He knows when to come off his block to help his teammates;
(6) No one slips his block once he latches on;
(7) 1-on-1 he drives defensive tackles off the line.
The only criticism I have is that he seems to stand a little too upright on pass blocking and can lose a step or two of real estate. But, then again, not too many ever get around him and I've never seen him run over. Never.
One last thing: he plays to the whistle much to the chagrin of defenders, many of whom find themselves planted because they felt the play was already over. Big fucking mistake. Quenton Nelson isn't out there to be a nice guy... this in one Mo-Fo.
If the Giants don't go QB at #2, I sure as hell won't complain to hear this beast announced as the newest Giant!
Thanks M.S. :)
That's the clip I've been looking for. Awesome!
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JK, but I wouldn't take him at 2.
Robert Gallery was a Tackle. Nelson is a Guard.
Chance Warmack? Jonathan Cooper?
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I might have got up and started fighting after that disrespect
LMAO!!! I was thinking the same thing!!!!
That give the Giants 12 picks between this year and next in Rounds 1-3. This roster needs an overhaul, and this is the way to do it, and start course-correcting Reese's drafting failures these last few seasons.
Ouch... that was a just plain disrespectful block.
On average, around 7 Hall of Famers enter the league. If you get any one of them in the first, your draft is off to a great start. But I'd rather have a Hall of Fame QB or pass rusher than a Hall of Fame guard.
Barkley is being projected at the level. So is Nelson. Who are the other five or so?
Tiki was great before Snee arrived...
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Not guards.
If this isn't a game changer, its a huge assist.
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If we hadn't totally botched the picks with Flowers and Apple I'd be more inclined to agree but those are two top 10 picks, which should be day one starters and foundations for your team and neither is even assured of being here let alone starting and being a building block this year. We have too many holes, taking the safest and probably top two player in this draft has to be the move here if Barkley goes first.
NFL is a business .......
Sweet! A 13 minute youtube highlight video of a guard blocking!
NFL is a business .......
This is what I'm hoping will happen if the Browns take Barkley #1.
It's insane that I'm envious of Browns fans right now...
It's insane that I'm envious of Browns fans right now...
That would be a good plan for the Browns but if you're Cousins do you sign in Cleveland? Minnesota is ready to compete for a SB now and they have the money to spend.. Just seems like the obvious choice.