Ian Rapoport on Quenton Nelson

talk about gold jackets when evaluating these guys.

His tape is off the charts.

I firmly believe we will take.

Then #2 overall is not too steep of a price for a guard. That's a long shot comparison, but it's not absurd to consider it.

or is there more top end talent in this draft than in most others?

I hope we are targeting. The key is to run the ball better and not to get your QB killed and to give him time to find their weapons they have on O. Barkley and Nelson are the 2 players that make the most sense for the Giants in this draft.

JK, but I wouldn't take him at 2.

and Chubb and Barkley are gone, this is the guy

In comment 13853088 BigBlue4You09 said:

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JK, but I wouldn't take him at 2.

Robert Gallery was a Tackle. Nelson is a Guard.

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or is there more top end talent in this draft than in most others?

The QBs give that top end a boost this year

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In comment 13853083 Keith said: Quote: or is there more top end talent in this draft than in most others? The QBs give that top end a boost this year

Def. In any other year, if it was just Rosen and Darnold, all the talk would be about which guy is 1 and which is 2.

I would love to see us trade down and still get Nelson but, as DG says, you don't want to get cute and miss your guy.

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In comment 13853088 BigBlue4You09 said: Quote: JK, but I wouldn't take him at 2. Robert Gallery was a Tackle. Nelson is a Guard.

He was a bust at tackle and moved to guard

in this entire draft.

Which was why I asked if we have a dilemma at #2 last week.

You’re up high so you feel pressure to draft the QB, but don’t you want the best players?

In comment 13853092 ryanmkeane said:

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and Chubb and Barkley are gone, this is the guy

My guess in that scenerio would be Tremain Edmunds at #5, and the best two offensive lineman on the board at our second round picka and (presumably) the second we get from Denver.

Barkley, Rosen, Darnold, or even Chubb for Nelson.

BUT, if they did draft Nelson and we went into the season with both him and Norwell - you can't be too unhappy with that.

he might run at least third for NYG behind Barkley and Chubb.

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Barkley, Rosen, Darnold, or even Chubb for Nelson. BUT, if they did draft Nelson and we went into the season with both him and Norwell - you can't be too unhappy with that.

And the tackles will be?

I will LOL

...no one seems to be able to slide off his block once contact is made.

If he gets his body on you, good luck.

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in this entire draft. Which was why I asked if we have a dilemma at #2 last week. You’re up high so you feel pressure to draft the QB, but don’t you want the best players?

No dilemma.

If Cleveland passes on Josh Rosen, take it to the bank that the UCLA QB will be a Giant.

And if Cleveland is smart and select Josh Rosen... well, then we have a ton of options, one of which may be trading back.

That's no dilemma!

Tells you that they are all a bit overrated.

Rebuilding the OL is a must.

Not guards.

im not sure id take him at 2. However, games are won and lost in the trenches. If we don't want one of the QB's(highly doubtful), I'd be on board with trading back to take this kid.

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or is there more top end talent in this draft than in most others?

No having the 2nd pick you just hear about these guys more than usual...if Myles Garrett was in this draft he would be a dream #2 pick in an ocean on QBs with Qs

The OL functions as a unit, You need all 5 working together. This is why it makes no sense to take one that high and expect one guy to turn around an entire unit.

In comment 13853120 Joey from GlenCove said:

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In comment 13853116 Brown Recluse said: Quote: Barkley, Rosen, Darnold, or even Chubb for Nelson. BUT, if they did draft Nelson and we went into the season with both him and Norwell - you can't be too unhappy with that. And the tackles will be?

Everything can't be fixed in a year.

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In comment 13853116 Brown Recluse said: Quote: Barkley, Rosen, Darnold, or even Chubb for Nelson. BUT, if they did draft Nelson and we went into the season with both him and Norwell - you can't be too unhappy with that. And the tackles will be?

I'm not sure what the tackles have to do with anything. They'll probably be addressed in the same manner regardless of whether or not Nelson is drafted.

I think Barkley is the best player followed by Nelson. I want one of these 2 guys. Great players that will slide right in and play.

I am holding onto hope Cleveland offers a crap load of draft picks to get the number 2 pick. Nelson at pick 4 would be my favorite scenario while also getting a couple of the 2nd round picks, a 4th and next years 1st rounder.

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The OL functions as a unit, You need all 5 working together. This is why it makes no sense to take one that high and expect one guy to turn around an entire unit.

No doubt. It would have to be a part of a large overhaul.

but you have to rebuild the line, you have to start somewhere, and using the tackles as an excuse not to draft a great prospect is poor logic.

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but you have to rebuild the line, you have to start somewhere, and using the tackles as an excuse not to draft a great prospect is poor logic.

Exactly

and Barkley, to take a guard at #2 overall would be malpractice

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I might have got up and started fighting after that disrespect

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and Barkley, to take a guard at #2 overall would be malpractice

I'd take Nelson in a trade down but NOT at #2.

But we need the great Big Blue QB. We don’t want to be picking 2 again

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In comment 13853172 ryanmkeane said: Quote: and Barkley, to take a guard at #2 overall would be malpractice I'd take Nelson in a trade down but NOT at #2.

Agree, if a team like Denver gives us their 5, 2nd, 3rd, and 1st next year...then I might say yes and call it a day.

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Not guards.

If this isn't a game changer, its a huge assist.


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But the question is, even if he is advertised, does drafting him at #2 give you the same impact as a similar player at QB, RB or DE? Is the impact of a single All-Pro at guard over just an average guard the same as the impact at another position over an average player?

I'm not convinced I would take Nelson at #2 even if I knew he was the next Larry Allen.

Barkley, Nelson, or bust.

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Name on olinemen who has won an regular season MVP or SB MVP? Yes, I'm being rhetorical, but you get the point. When you draft this high the prospect has to be a player who can alter the outcome of the game...

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In comment 13853184 Brown Recluse said: Quote: If this isn't a game changer, its a huge assist. link - ( New Window ) Name on olinemen who has won an regular season MVP or SB MVP? Yes, I'm being rhetorical, but you get the point. When you draft this high the prospect has to be a player who can alter the outcome of the game...

Left Tackles are drafted this high if they're good enough, and they are linemen.

Linemen do alter the outcomes of games...by keeping the QB upright and opening holes for the RB. Two things that don't happen very often for this team currently, especially against teams like the Eagles. I'd much rather them take a QB or Barkley, or even Chubb...but if they draft Nelson I won't mind. If he keeps players like Fletcher Cox out of Eli's face - no one is really going to care where he was drafted.

In comment 13853214 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13853184 Brown Recluse said: Quote: If this isn't a game changer, its a huge assist. link - ( New Window ) Name on olinemen who has won an regular season MVP or SB MVP? Yes, I'm being rhetorical, but you get the point. When you draft this high the prospect has to be a player who can alter the outcome of the game...

Dominating the LOS is exactly how you change the outcome of games. I would try to get him after a trade down to a team willing to pay for their QB.

Nelson, +a 2, a 3, next years 1, for a 2 is also how you give yourself a chance to win consistently, not just one and done

In comment 13853214 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13853184 Brown Recluse said: Quote: If this isn't a game changer, its a huge assist. link - ( New Window ) Name on olinemen who has won an regular season MVP or SB MVP? Yes, I'm being rhetorical, but you get the point. When you draft this high the prospect has to be a player who can alter the outcome of the game...

I would argue that a G or any Olineman (who will never win an MVP) can alter a game. Those MVPs don't become MVPs without those Olineman

In comment 13853235 Brown Recluse said:

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In comment 13853214 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 13853184 Brown Recluse said: Quote: Linemen do alter the outcomes of games...by keeping the QB upright and opening holes for the RB. Two things that don't happen very often for this team currently, especially against teams like the Eagles. I'd much rather them take a QB or Barkley, or even Chubb...but if they draft Nelson I won't mind. If he keeps players like Fletcher Cox out of Eli's face - no one is really going to care where he was drafted.

That's a better argument. However, the Browns drafted a HoF LT in Joe Thomas. How is that working out without a QB? ;)

In comment 13853241 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13853235 Brown Recluse said: Quote: In comment 13853214 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 13853184 Brown Recluse said: Quote: Linemen do alter the outcomes of games...by keeping the QB upright and opening holes for the RB. Two things that don't happen very often for this team currently, especially against teams like the Eagles. I'd much rather them take a QB or Barkley, or even Chubb...but if they draft Nelson I won't mind. If he keeps players like Fletcher Cox out of Eli's face - no one is really going to care where he was drafted. That's a better argument. However, the Browns drafted a HoF LT in Joe Thomas. How is that working out without a QB? ;)

Ask that question to 3 out of the 4 teams in this years championship games

looking like Barkley or Chubb, unless a QB rises.

But the impact an OG will provide, even a great one, is not at the level we need from this pick.

Cleveland trades up to #2 to take Barkley and their QB. They have the assets for sure to make that move and get the best player and best QB in the draft.