Rams trade LB Alec Ogletree to Giants

of draft picks is sort of meaningless.

I'd take an Ogletree (or plug in any established veteran even if he's only league average) over any pick after a 2nd round pick.

Just for reference, this is the success of a ten year study of draft picks by position and "success" was very easily defined as "starting more than half their games".

When I see these numbers for 4th and 6th round picks, and I see fans fret the Giants only have 5 picks and no 6th or 7th round pick. SO WHAT? The odds of hitting on those picks are remote, the odds of the player being at least decent is likely. Trade away.

And no don't trade down to accumulate more useless picks just to have more picks. That's a stupid strategy.

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Historic Success Chart The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters: 1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%) 2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%) 3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%) 4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%) 5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%) 6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%) 7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

In comment 13853714 Doomster said:

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This guy is getting paid more than our entire linebacker group last season....cap space just got a little less....down to about 14M.....and we haven't signed an OLman yet....

Doomster seriously shut up dude lol can you be happy for one second? You don't know exactly what the cap number implication is. LB was a major need this offseason and we just got one who is a proven young playmaker and a perfect fit for Bettcher's defense. All for a compensatory 4th rounder?? What do you suggest the Giants could have done better to address that need? This is an incredibly impressive move.

Or are we supposed to just not make any moves whatsoever for fear that we might not be $20M under the cap by the time the season starts?

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In comment 13853677 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 13853659 BigBlueHens said: Quote: Trading away two picks this year makes it seem a trade down from 2nd overall is more likely Why do people keep saying this? They essentially lost one pick, because they did add a player. The trade has no bearing on what they do with the draft, other than LB is less of a priority.

How the hell would you know it has no bearing. Of course it does. You think they made a trade without even thinking about what they wnat to accomplish in the draft. I am not saying it guarantees a trade down but it sure as hell has some bearing on the draft as they must have thought that through before hand.

Ogletree's best years were as a MLB in a 4-3. He slipped a little this year as an outside linebacker in a 3-4.

can always be changed with guaranteed money, working money around, etc. Unless you have close to no cap space, it's usually never a problem to work things around to sign someone you really want (Norwell).

Even with this move, we'll be able to sign Norwell and possibly 1 other big signing

In comment 13853733 Breeze_94 said:

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He is only 26 years old, a very good player, and the move only saves them 3mil. Plus, they just gave him a nice deal a few months ago.

Cap room

In comment 13853741 widmerseyebrow said:

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Ogletree's best years were as a MLB in a 4-3. He slipped a little this year as an outside linebacker in a 3-4.

Played mostly one of the inside spots. Quinn and Barwin were on the outside. But it could mean they’re sticking with a 4-3 base.

#NYGiants will send 4th round compensatory pick and their 6th rounder to the Rams for Alec Ogletree and a 2019 7th rounder.

In comment 13853733 Breeze_94 said:

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He is only 26 years old, a very good player, and the move only saves them 3mil. Plus, they just gave him a nice deal a few months ago.

Need room to re-sign Aaron Donald?

They seem to have a lot of room, but just a thought.

In comment 13853737 Knee of Theismann said:

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In comment 13853714 Doomster said: Quote: This guy is getting paid more than our entire linebacker group last season....cap space just got a little less....down to about 14M.....and we haven't signed an OLman yet.... Doomster seriously shut up dude lol can you be happy for one second? You don't know exactly what the cap number implication is. LB was a major need this offseason and we just got one who is a proven young playmaker and a perfect fit for Bettcher's defense. All for a compensatory 4th rounder?? What do you suggest the Giants could have done better to address that need? This is an incredibly impressive move. Or are we supposed to just not make any moves whatsoever for fear that we might not be $20M under the cap by the time the season starts?

Just ignore him. He's a Patriots fan anyway, and probably still bummed about the SB loss.

In comment 13853702 Pete in MD said:

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Rams make this trade?

Rams just used the franchise tag on Joyner, and they need to give Donald a long term deal soon, and possibly Brockers.

If you look at the amount of money DTs make on their second contract (remember what Suh got) it's big money.

I think he is a great candidate to switch to inside linebacker in a 3-4 because he is great at playing is space and coverage. I think our starting inside backers will be BJ Goodsen and Ogletree...now we need some pash rushing outside linebackers.

In comment 13853732 OdellBeckhamJr said:

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ogletree is terrible he cannot tackle

You sir, are in the minority.

In comment 13853620 26.2 said:

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Rams signed ILB Alec Ogletree to a four-year, $42 million extension through 2021. The deal had been in the works since the summer, and reportedly includes over $30 million guaranteed. Ogletree is a playmaker with sideline-to-sideline athleticism, but has yet to become a truly impact player. He does play all three downs, and has been durable aside from a 2015 broken leg. Ogletree just turned 26 last month.

That sounds like a lot of cap space. How much do the Giants have after this trade? Lowe getting quality LB though.

In comment 13853746 gidiefor said:

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#NYGiants will send 4th round compensatory pick and their 6th rounder to the Rams for Alec Ogletree and a 2019 7th rounder.

Ok, I'll jump in the deep end. Does this increase the possibility of a trade down...Giants just sent two picks to the Rams and the team has a lot of holes. Just food for thought.

$10m this year and the next two in salary and roster bonus. $9m the last year.

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please stop! I am sure Dave Gettleman is not going into this draft focused on how many picks he has. He is trying to make this team better, and getting a quality NFL Linebacker who is 26 and locked up for the next four years is much better than a 4th round pick that will likely never be a quality NFL starter and a 6th round pick that will likely be out of the league in a couple of years.

The draft is about QUALITY not QUANTITY.

In comment 13853638 arcarsenal said:

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Awesome. Ogletree is a good player. Our new GM is actually acknowledging that LB is a position!

Nah, he's gonna start at TE.

downside to this trade is its going to be a boring day 3 of the draft. I love the draft and it really does suck when you see players fall that you like even if you know they probably wont pan out and you don't even have a chance to draft them. Now no 6th or 7th rounder this year.

In comment 13853752 Giantology said:

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In comment 13853732 OdellBeckhamJr said: Quote: ogletree is terrible he cannot tackle You sir, are in the minority.

he missed 27 tackles last year - the most of any linebacker and his contract is terrible

To sign Norwell. Thete’s Going to have to several cap cuts/restructuring.

In comment 13853760 Steve in Greenwich said:

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downside to this trade is its going to be a boring day 3 of the draft. I love the draft and it really does suck when you see players fall that you like even if you know they probably wont pan out and you don't even have a chance to draft them. Now no 6th or 7th rounder this year.

We still have a 4th,5th, and a 7th.

What a very good move by DG. He is just the type of LB this team needs. He will likely play inside next to Goodman and be the coverage LB this team desperately needs.

we take the roster bonus, just the $3 mil hit. The roster nonus was only to be paid by Rams if he was on their roster when the bonus comes soon. So they save $10 mil, we take on 3 mil.

In comment 13853709 knicks3031 said:

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It is the comp 4th pick.

I thought comp picks could not be traded?

... giving up only only the sixth-round pick (sarcasm on)

all I am saying is, all the talk has been to improve the OL, and the first thing we do is defense....

If you want good players, you have to pay for them.....that's a given......with 20 UFA's to replace, and OL needed, Gettleman made his first move.....

Time will tell....

and save about $5m on the cap this year.

and a high fifth.

Is it true we don't have a sixth (from trade for Crockwell?), but now have two 7's.

I like the trade.

Building from the inside out......DG tackles the lines next in free agency.

In comment 13853763 jeff57 said:

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To sign Norwell. Thete’s Going to have to several cap cuts/restructuring.

Need to make Eli take a pay cut

In comment 13853740 jvm52106 said:

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In comment 13853677 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: In comment 13853659 BigBlueHens said: Quote: Trading away two picks this year makes it seem a trade down from 2nd overall is more likely Why do people keep saying this? They essentially lost one pick, because they did add a player. The trade has no bearing on what they do with the draft, other than LB is less of a priority. How the hell would you know it has no bearing. Of course it does. You think they made a trade without even thinking about what they wnat to accomplish in the draft. I am not saying it guarantees a trade down but it sure as hell has some bearing on the draft as they must have thought that through before hand.

It has no bearing on the likelihood of trading down. Of course acquiring a player in a trade impacts the following draft. Don't be obtuse.

In comment 13853764 Breeze_94 said:

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In comment 13853760 Steve in Greenwich said: Quote: downside to this trade is its going to be a boring day 3 of the draft. I love the draft and it really does suck when you see players fall that you like even if you know they probably wont pan out and you don't even have a chance to draft them. Now no 6th or 7th rounder this year. We still have a 4th,5th, and a 7th.

7th went in the Cockrell trade last year, so draft ends in the 5th. I know it probably amounts to nothing and wont fret about it, but the draft is one of the highlights of the year and it stinks when it ends early.

of a 4 year 42 million dollar deal.

you're right, no 7th. But we get an extra 7th next year.

In comment 13853766 jvm52106 said:

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we take the roster bonus, just the $3 mil hit. The roster nonus was only to be paid by Rams if he was on their roster when the bonus comes soon. So they save $10 mil, we take on 3 mil.

I think the roster bonuses are ours. We save the prorated signing bonus.

In comment 13853767 Beer Man said:

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In comment 13853709 knicks3031 said: Quote: It is the comp 4th pick. I thought comp picks could not be traded?

Changed the rule last year

In comment 13853754 Emil said:

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In comment 13853746 gidiefor said: Quote: #NYGiants will send 4th round compensatory pick and their 6th rounder to the Rams for Alec Ogletree and a 2019 7th rounder. Ok, I'll jump in the deep end. Does this increase the possibility of a trade down...Giants just sent two picks to the Rams and the team has a lot of holes. Just food for thought.

Gettleman has never traded down. I wouldn't get your hopes up it's going to happen this year.

To an earlier thread on him. I wonder if Sy still feels the same way as he did in 2013.
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In comment 13853762 OdellBeckhamJr said:

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In comment 13853752 Giantology said: Quote: In comment 13853732 OdellBeckhamJr said: Quote: ogletree is terrible he cannot tackle You sir, are in the minority. he missed 27 tackles last year - the most of any linebacker and his contract is terrible

Yeah but we probably can finally cover Witten now. lol

In comment 13853777 BillT said:

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In comment 13853766 jvm52106 said: Quote: we take the roster bonus, just the $3 mil hit. The roster nonus was only to be paid by Rams if he was on their roster when the bonus comes soon. So they save $10 mil, we take on 3 mil. I think the roster bonuses are ours. We save the prorated signing bonus.

Otherwise it cuts his salary $7m. I think the $3. and $7m this year were guaranteed.

something that Reese would never, ever do. Take a sure thing at LB instead of a shot in the dark in rounds 4-6.

About hiring Gettleman at first but that all changed a few days later when he cut hart and fired Ross. This guy is a completely different GM then Reese and I love it. Reese would never ever made a trade like this never.

Indeed. I just got punched in the face by Gettleman...and liked it!

In comment 13853653 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:

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like the Eagles do..... so things may be a changing.

No way in round 1
Sy'56 : 3/8/2013 9:40 am : link
He is NOT a run defender. He can't take on blocks. His effort isn't always there. Not a physical presence.

In comment 13853785 ryanmkeane said:

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something that Reese would never, ever do. Take a sure thing at LB instead of a shot in the dark in rounds 4-6.

Reese would trade the picks to move up to take some scrub a little bit earlier

Ogletree is Andrew Adams brother-in-law. Just a piece of meaningless but interesting trivia

Good deal for the Giants from the looks of it, can easily be restructured as well.

In comment 13853789 RobCarpenter said:

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No way in round 1 Sy'56 : 3/8/2013 9:40 am : link He is NOT a run defender. He can't take on blocks. His effort isn't always there. Not a physical presence.

Had 98 solo tackles in 2016.