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really like Ogeltree to the Giants-7mil roster due 3/16 time to convert it to a signing bonus and getting 5.25 cal space back
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
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really like Ogeltree to the Giants-7mil roster due 3/16 time to convert it to a signing bonus and getting 5.25 cal space back
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
It would but not by much. Plus his contract hit with the Giants includes no bonus money at the moment, so it would only put a little dead money out there if we cut him after 2019.
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I think you'll see JPP all over the place but primarily with his hand in the dirt next to Snacks and Tomlinson. Vernon more of your traditional 3-4 OLB.
With the switch of DRC to safety and this move, you're starting to see Bettcher's D come together. When looking at what he did in Arizona, those were the two slots we were clearly missing.
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
I think the Rams were really dumping his salary. DG probably figures that with the cap rising to 177 million, a comparable player to Ogletree would cost more than the 42 million/30 guaranteed.
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
I think the Rams were really dumping his salary. DG probably figures that with the cap rising to 177 million, a comparable player to Ogletree would cost more than the 42 million/30 guaranteed.
it's only 39 million/10 guaranteed to the Giants, with the 6 million 2019 roster bonus guaranteed for injury only.
This is a great move - we give up little and fill a critical hole. Defense just needs a DB for depth from the draft and it is set. Backers in 3-4 will be Kennard, Goodson, Ogletree and Vernon. Linemen are JPP, Tomlinson and Snacks. DBs are Jenkins, Apple, DRC and Collins. Talent is there to be a top five defense. And now we focus on offense in both free agency and the draft as per my post yesterday... Great job Dave Gettleman - there is optimism in the kingdom again!!! The Mike post 3/6/2018 - ( New Window )
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it's only 39 million/10 guaranteed to the Giants, with the 6 million 2019 roster bonus guaranteed for injury only.
Good point. DG basically traded a comp 4th and switched a 6/7th to save about 25 million in guaranteed money he would have to pay for a comparable player. That's a great hedge imo
he may not be one of our outside backers. Could be signed however if the price is right. With the 3-4 focused D, we'll need LBer depth too. Minimum of 7 LBers, but that could include OV.
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I think you'll see JPP all over the place but primarily with his hand in the dirt next to Snacks and Tomlinson. Vernon more of your traditional 3-4 OLB.
With the switch of DRC to safety and this move, you're starting to see Bettcher's D come together. When looking at what he did in Arizona, those were the two slots we were clearly missing.
Yup good points. Obviously need another OLB and depth, but great to fill this need befor FA starts
picks if Pugh and/or Richburg sign elsewhere, especially at the inflated $$s being bandied about? Anybody know for sure? If so, that almost makes this a freebie.
Good question - could be offset by FAs we sign, right?
Maybe. I don't really know the rules, but it seems logical.
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it's only 39 million/10 guaranteed to the Giants, with the 6 million 2019 roster bonus guaranteed for injury only.
Good point. DG basically traded a comp 4th and switched a 6/7th to save about 25 million in guaranteed money he would have to pay for a comparable player. That's a great hedge imo
The Giants are top heavy roster wise with a lot of holes to fill and a brand new coaching staff, they should be a very attractive UDFA destination next year. I'm not worried about the late pick at all, we'll get comparable talent after the draft.
This is a great move - we give up little and fill a critical hole. Defense just needs a DB for depth from the draft and it is set. Backers in 3-4 will be Kennard, Goodson, Ogletree and Vernon. Linemen are JPP, Tomlinson and Snacks. DBs are Jenkins, Apple, DRC and Collins. Talent is there to be a top five defense. And now we focus on offense in both free agency and the draft as per my post yesterday... Great job Dave Gettleman - there is optimism in the kingdom again!!! The Mike post 3/6/2018 - ( New Window )
Cool how you linked to a prior thread and, specifically, to one of your posts. How exactly does one do that?
This is a great move - we give up little and fill a critical hole. Defense just needs a DB for depth from the draft and it is set. Backers in 3-4 will be Kennard, Goodson, Ogletree and Vernon. Linemen are JPP, Tomlinson and Snacks. DBs are Jenkins, Apple, DRC and Collins. Talent is there to be a top five defense. And now we focus on offense in both free agency and the draft as per my post yesterday... Great job Dave Gettleman - there is optimism in the kingdom again!!! The Mike post 3/6/2018 - ( New Window )
I wish I had your optimism, but there are still significant holes to fill (nothing is set on the OL, although the LB picture became a little clearer today, the team is still in need of at least one more quality LB, need an every down RB, and quality CB depth)
picks if Pugh and/or Richburg sign elsewhere, especially at the inflated $$s being bandied about? Anybody know for sure? If so, that almost makes this a freebie.
Good question - could be offset by FAs we sign, right?
Maybe. I don't really know the rules, but it seems logical.
Exactly. If Giants had signed a free agent LB, it would offset whatever comp picks they get for Pugh, Richburg, Kennard etc . . .
So, basically, Giants should get back the comp pick next year assuming they do not sign any major free agents . . .
that could get to the QB. Ogletree is not that guy, not a bad LBer, but not an edge rusher. Hopefully, the Giants focus in the draft on OLBs.
He is strong in covering TE and RB over the middle. How many times did we see QBs avoid the Giants rush with dump off passes over the middle? So, AO can help generate sacks in other ways than getting to the QB himself
I think it is a good move
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So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Randy Moss was traded for a 4th.
From Minnesota? True, though at the time it was thought that he had declined and we quickly learned that wasn't the case and it was a bonehead move.
But ogletree at his best isn't anywhere near that level of talent.
Moss came from Oakland. A lot of people thought he was done because he basically just jogged through his routes with piss-poor RAiders. Made zero effort. But obviously BB could see he was not done.
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really like Ogeltree to the Giants-7mil roster due 3/16 time to convert it to a signing bonus and getting 5.25 cal space back
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
The reason given for him being traded is he does not fir in a 3-4 defense that Wade runs. I think we show a few 3-4 looks here and there but I believe we are staying in a 4-3 for the foreseeable future.
This was out of the ESPN article about trading for him:
The Ogletree trade continued the Rams' theme of opening salary cap space by parting with players they believed to be ill-fitting parts for defensive coordinator Wade Phillips' 3-4 defense, which was also a reason they dealt outside linebacker Robert Quinn to the Miami Dolphins last week.
Why would we trade for a guy who does not play a 3-4. I think we are staying in a 4-3.
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really like Ogeltree to the Giants-7mil roster due 3/16 time to convert it to a signing bonus and getting 5.25 cal space back
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
The reason given for him being traded is he does not fir in a 3-4 defense that Wade runs. I think we show a few 3-4 looks here and there but I believe we are staying in a 4-3 for the foreseeable future.
Right - the linebackers as configured in 3-4 assuming they sign kennard of ogletree/goodson/kennard/vernon can easily reconfigure to 4-3 with Vernon moving to DE and ogletree moving to the SAM or WILL... the athleticism of Ogletree and Vernon gives Bettcher lots of defensive flexibility...
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really like Ogeltree to the Giants-7mil roster due 3/16 time to convert it to a signing bonus and getting 5.25 cal space back
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
The reason given for him being traded is he does not fir in a 3-4 defense that Wade runs. I think we show a few 3-4 looks here and there but I believe we are staying in a 4-3 for the foreseeable future.
Right - the linebackers as configured in 3-4 assuming they sign kennard of ogletree/goodson/kennard/vernon can easily reconfigure to 4-3 with Vernon moving to DE and ogletree moving to the SAM or WILL... the athleticism of Ogletree and Vernon gives Bettcher lots of defensive flexibility...
Without getting into great detail, think of the Rams 3-4 similar to the Texans 3-4. Features an unstoppable DE in both cases (Watt and Donald). Bettcher's 3-4 has been very different and much more varied. Ogeltree makes more sense here than he did in LA.
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So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Several players mentioned:
Randy Moss
Robert Quinn
LeSean McCoy
DeMarco Murray
Marcus Peters
Aqib Talib
Tony Gonzalez (not for less, but a 2nd round pick)
and more...
Murray wasn't a trade.
Peters was traded for a 4th and a 2019 2nd.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not negative about it. I just want to know why an ascending team trying to compete is giving away a starter for not very much of anything.
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So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Shady McCoy for one
McCoy was traded for a guy that was one year removed from defensive rookie of the year. I don't think that one fits.
Are you kidding me. The Eagles trade a top 3 running back for an undersized LB who had a history knee injuries. Doesn't fit! Kiko Alonso is a good player, but McCoy is hall of fame player. Alonso is now on his third team in his short NLF career.
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So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Shady McCoy for one
McCoy was traded for a guy that was one year removed from defensive rookie of the year. I don't think that one fits.
Are you kidding me. The Eagles trade a top 3 running back for an undersized LB who had a history knee injuries. Doesn't fit! Kiko Alonso is a good player, but McCoy is hall of fame player. Alonso is now on his third team in his short NLF career.
Sounds to me like this makes a trade down out of the #2 overall spot more likely. If you just traded two picks, you need more picks.
But what do I know?
I'm in agreement with you. We need players. Having only 5 picks now is not what I expected; though neither am I thinking we'd have AO. If he doesn't slide down on the #2, I think DG may slide from the 34 if upper level OLs are swept up by 34.
Don't know if Norwells a "lock" but at least one other non- NYG OL must be on their rapid beeping radar to hedge vs. what I said about the #34.
LA has to pay Donald, Gurley, and eventually Goff. They need to clear as much money as they can for these guys and Ogletree, while a good player, was nothing spectacular for them since drafted
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Shady McCoy for one
McCoy was traded for a guy that was one year removed from defensive rookie of the year. I don't think that one fits.
Are you kidding me. The Eagles trade a top 3 running back for an undersized LB who had a history knee injuries. Doesn't fit! Kiko Alonso is a good player, but McCoy is hall of fame player. Alonso is now on his third team in his short NLF career.
An undersized linebacker with a history of knee injuries who had just won defensive rookie of the year and notched 159 tackles. I think we can certainly argue that that's worth more than the last pick of the 4th round.
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So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Several players mentioned:
Randy Moss
Robert Quinn
LeSean McCoy
DeMarco Murray
Marcus Peters
Aqib Talib
Tony Gonzalez (not for less, but a 2nd round pick)
and more...
Murray wasn't a trade.
Peters was traded for a 4th and a 2019 2nd.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not negative about it. I just want to know why an ascending team trying to compete is giving away a starter for not very much of anything.
Murray was traded by the Eagles to the Titans and all it cost TEN was a swap of 4th round picks with the Eagles.
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
You're kidding right? The Eagles got Ajai for a 4th
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
27 year old Robert Quinn was just traded to Miami for a 4th and 6th.
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really like Ogeltree to the Giants-7mil roster due 3/16 time to convert it to a signing bonus and getting 5.25 cal space back
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
It would but not by much. Plus his contract hit with the Giants includes no bonus money at the moment, so it would only put a little dead money out there if we cut him after 2019.
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Who are the outside LBers?
Probably Vernon and JPP. Maybe Kennard.
I think you'll see JPP all over the place but primarily with his hand in the dirt next to Snacks and Tomlinson. Vernon more of your traditional 3-4 OLB.
With the switch of DRC to safety and this move, you're starting to see Bettcher's D come together. When looking at what he did in Arizona, those were the two slots we were clearly missing.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
I think the Rams were really dumping his salary. DG probably figures that with the cap rising to 177 million, a comparable player to Ogletree would cost more than the 42 million/30 guaranteed.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Randy Moss was traded for a 4th.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
I think the Rams were really dumping his salary. DG probably figures that with the cap rising to 177 million, a comparable player to Ogletree would cost more than the 42 million/30 guaranteed.
it's only 39 million/10 guaranteed to the Giants, with the 6 million 2019 roster bonus guaranteed for injury only.
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it's only 39 million/10 guaranteed to the Giants, with the 6 million 2019 roster bonus guaranteed for injury only.
Good point. DG basically traded a comp 4th and switched a 6/7th to save about 25 million in guaranteed money he would have to pay for a comparable player. That's a great hedge imo
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So they have Goodson and Ogletree inside.
Who are the outside LBers?
Probably Vernon and JPP. Maybe Kennard.
I think you'll see JPP all over the place but primarily with his hand in the dirt next to Snacks and Tomlinson. Vernon more of your traditional 3-4 OLB.
With the switch of DRC to safety and this move, you're starting to see Bettcher's D come together. When looking at what he did in Arizona, those were the two slots we were clearly missing.
Yup good points. Obviously need another OLB and depth, but great to fill this need befor FA starts
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picks if Pugh and/or Richburg sign elsewhere, especially at the inflated $$s being bandied about? Anybody know for sure? If so, that almost makes this a freebie.
Good question - could be offset by FAs we sign, right?
Maybe. I don't really know the rules, but it seems logical.
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it's only 39 million/10 guaranteed to the Giants, with the 6 million 2019 roster bonus guaranteed for injury only.
Good point. DG basically traded a comp 4th and switched a 6/7th to save about 25 million in guaranteed money he would have to pay for a comparable player. That's a great hedge imo
The Giants are top heavy roster wise with a lot of holes to fill and a brand new coaching staff, they should be a very attractive UDFA destination next year. I'm not worried about the late pick at all, we'll get comparable talent after the draft.
Cool how you linked to a prior thread and, specifically, to one of your posts. How exactly does one do that?
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picks if Pugh and/or Richburg sign elsewhere, especially at the inflated $$s being bandied about? Anybody know for sure? If so, that almost makes this a freebie.
Good question - could be offset by FAs we sign, right?
Maybe. I don't really know the rules, but it seems logical.
Exactly. If Giants had signed a free agent LB, it would offset whatever comp picks they get for Pugh, Richburg, Kennard etc . . .
So, basically, Giants should get back the comp pick next year assuming they do not sign any major free agents . . .
There's gonna be a reckoning when we have to pay Beckham.
He is strong in covering TE and RB over the middle. How many times did we see QBs avoid the Giants rush with dump off passes over the middle? So, AO can help generate sacks in other ways than getting to the QB himself
I think it is a good move
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Randy Moss was traded for a 4th.
From Minnesota? True, though at the time it was thought that he had declined and we quickly learned that wasn't the case and it was a bonehead move.
But ogletree at his best isn't anywhere near that level of talent.
There's gonna be a reckoning when we have to pay Beckham.
They have 22 million coming off with Eli's contract expiring after next year.
That's the money to pay OBJ. The contract just needs to be structured with a low cap hit in Eli's final year
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Randy Moss was traded for a 4th.
From Minnesota? True, though at the time it was thought that he had declined and we quickly learned that wasn't the case and it was a bonehead move.
But ogletree at his best isn't anywhere near that level of talent.
Moss came from Oakland. A lot of people thought he was done because he basically just jogged through his routes with piss-poor RAiders. Made zero effort. But obviously BB could see he was not done.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Shady McCoy for one
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Randy Moss was traded for a 4th.
From Minnesota? True, though at the time it was thought that he had declined and we quickly learned that wasn't the case and it was a bonehead move.
But ogletree at his best isn't anywhere near that level of talent.
Oakland
....Now Q another great snacks like huge nose type DT keep these types of ulbs clean.
Lowell Lotulele or similar Vita Vea or the other... one forgot the name.
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There's gonna be a reckoning when we have to pay Beckham.
They have 22 million coming off with Eli's contract expiring after next year.
That's the money to pay OBJ. The contract just needs to be structured with a low cap hit in Eli's final year
Exactly right!
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really like Ogeltree to the Giants-7mil roster due 3/16 time to convert it to a signing bonus and getting 5.25 cal space back
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
The reason given for him being traded is he does not fir in a 3-4 defense that Wade runs. I think we show a few 3-4 looks here and there but I believe we are staying in a 4-3 for the foreseeable future.
The Ogletree trade continued the Rams' theme of opening salary cap space by parting with players they believed to be ill-fitting parts for defensive coordinator Wade Phillips' 3-4 defense, which was also a reason they dealt outside linebacker Robert Quinn to the Miami Dolphins last week.
Why would we trade for a guy who does not play a 3-4. I think we are staying in a 4-3.
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really like Ogeltree to the Giants-7mil roster due 3/16 time to convert it to a signing bonus and getting 5.25 cal space back
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
The reason given for him being traded is he does not fir in a 3-4 defense that Wade runs. I think we show a few 3-4 looks here and there but I believe we are staying in a 4-3 for the foreseeable future.
Right - the linebackers as configured in 3-4 assuming they sign kennard of ogletree/goodson/kennard/vernon can easily reconfigure to 4-3 with Vernon moving to DE and ogletree moving to the SAM or WILL... the athleticism of Ogletree and Vernon gives Bettcher lots of defensive flexibility...
There's gonna be a reckoning when we have to pay Beckham.
Which is why drafting a QB with the #2 pick is important. Once Eli's contract ends,The new QB will be making minimal amounts,freeing up $$$ for OBJ.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Several players mentioned:
Randy Moss
Robert Quinn
LeSean McCoy
DeMarco Murray
Marcus Peters
Aqib Talib
Tony Gonzalez (not for less, but a 2nd round pick)
and more...
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Shady McCoy for one
McCoy was traded for a guy that was one year removed from defensive rookie of the year. I don't think that one fits.
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really like Ogeltree to the Giants-7mil roster due 3/16 time to convert it to a signing bonus and getting 5.25 cal space back
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That would increase the cap hit in subsquent years. If Kirwin is right, it means Gettlemen believes this team can compete for a playoff spot the next two years.
I also would not be surprised to see DG try to trade either JPP or OV. Neither guy is really a 3-4 DE
The reason given for him being traded is he does not fir in a 3-4 defense that Wade runs. I think we show a few 3-4 looks here and there but I believe we are staying in a 4-3 for the foreseeable future.
Right - the linebackers as configured in 3-4 assuming they sign kennard of ogletree/goodson/kennard/vernon can easily reconfigure to 4-3 with Vernon moving to DE and ogletree moving to the SAM or WILL... the athleticism of Ogletree and Vernon gives Bettcher lots of defensive flexibility...
Without getting into great detail, think of the Rams 3-4 similar to the Texans 3-4. Features an unstoppable DE in both cases (Watt and Donald). Bettcher's 3-4 has been very different and much more varied. Ogeltree makes more sense here than he did in LA.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Several players mentioned:
Randy Moss
Robert Quinn
LeSean McCoy
DeMarco Murray
Marcus Peters
Aqib Talib
Tony Gonzalez (not for less, but a 2nd round pick)
and more...
Murray wasn't a trade.
Peters was traded for a 4th and a 2019 2nd.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not negative about it. I just want to know why an ascending team trying to compete is giving away a starter for not very much of anything.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Shady McCoy for one
McCoy was traded for a guy that was one year removed from defensive rookie of the year. I don't think that one fits.
Are you kidding me. The Eagles trade a top 3 running back for an undersized LB who had a history knee injuries. Doesn't fit! Kiko Alonso is a good player, but McCoy is hall of fame player. Alonso is now on his third team in his short NLF career.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Shady McCoy for one
McCoy was traded for a guy that was one year removed from defensive rookie of the year. I don't think that one fits.
Are you kidding me. The Eagles trade a top 3 running back for an undersized LB who had a history knee injuries. Doesn't fit! Kiko Alonso is a good player, but McCoy is hall of fame player. Alonso is now on his third team in his short NLF career.
sigh...NFL career
But what do I know?
I'm in agreement with you. We need players. Having only 5 picks now is not what I expected; though neither am I thinking we'd have AO. If he doesn't slide down on the #2, I think DG may slide from the 34 if upper level OLs are swept up by 34.
Don't know if Norwells a "lock" but at least one other non- NYG OL must be on their rapid beeping radar to hedge vs. what I said about the #34.
Very good. Carry on.
Que Snacks cloning. Que drafting more quick little lb/s zone types.
Que trade down.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Shady McCoy for one
McCoy was traded for a guy that was one year removed from defensive rookie of the year. I don't think that one fits.
Are you kidding me. The Eagles trade a top 3 running back for an undersized LB who had a history knee injuries. Doesn't fit! Kiko Alonso is a good player, but McCoy is hall of fame player. Alonso is now on his third team in his short NLF career.
An undersized linebacker with a history of knee injuries who had just won defensive rookie of the year and notched 159 tackles. I think we can certainly argue that that's worth more than the last pick of the 4th round.
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The 4th rounder they traded is the company pick
So they got him for a sixth. Teams don't dump good players for a compensatory 4th and a sixth.
Better players have been traded for less.
Like who? Not sarcasm, trying to think of an example.
Several players mentioned:
Randy Moss
Robert Quinn
LeSean McCoy
DeMarco Murray
Marcus Peters
Aqib Talib
Tony Gonzalez (not for less, but a 2nd round pick)
and more...
Murray wasn't a trade.
Peters was traded for a 4th and a 2019 2nd.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not negative about it. I just want to know why an ascending team trying to compete is giving away a starter for not very much of anything.
Murray was traded by the Eagles to the Titans and all it cost TEN was a swap of 4th round picks with the Eagles.