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Giants tender Jones

ajr2456 : 3/7/2018 6:22 pm
Expected to move on from Richburg
Jones/richburg - ( New Window )
Heís not very good either  
The_Boss : 3/7/2018 6:24 pm : link
Like most, if not all of the OL, the long term solution at OC is not on this roster.
Two OL positions set  
Beer Man : 3/7/2018 6:25 pm : link
(assuming they have reached an agreement with Norwell), three to go (two if Flowers can play the right side)
Jones is going to work his  
ryanmkeane : 3/7/2018 6:26 pm : link
ass off and you can rely on him to be solid out there. I like it.
RE: Jones is going to work his  
mrvax : 3/7/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13854044 ryanmkeane said:
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ass off and you can rely on him to be solid out there. I like it.


Agree. He can still improve.
Poor thread title  
Milton : 3/7/2018 6:29 pm : link
They haven't tendered Jones. They will, but until then, this is just educated speculation on what we all knew they were going to do anyway.
Jones is pretty much a jag  
bigbluescot : 3/7/2018 6:32 pm : link
doesn't get a lot of push but rarely gets pushed back. You can live with that.
RE: Jones is pretty much a jag  
KeoweeFan : 3/7/2018 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13854053 bigbluescot said:
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doesn't get a lot of push but rarely gets pushed back. You can live with that.

Even if he is JAG, what would significant upgrades in guards on either side of him do for his overall performance?
It may be too much to expect to have 5 OL who are well above average.
I like it.  
UberAlias : 3/7/2018 6:41 pm : link
You could do worse. Can still draft a guy to compete.
We arenít going to change the entire offensive line  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/7/2018 6:44 pm : link
In one year. He certainly showed he can hold the position down at least for this next season.
RE: Heís not very good either  
djm : 3/7/2018 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13854037 The_Boss said:
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Like most, if not all of the OL, the long term solution at OC is not on this roster.


Thanks. Can you offer up tomorrow lotto numbers too? You know everything else why not share the wealth.

I'm sure the day the Giants signed jones as a vet fa from the Canadian league that you were absolutely certain he would not only make the team but play and actually hold his own in real games. You knew that. Now you know he's got no future here.

This place sucks sometimes.
RE: We arenít going to change the entire offensive line  
UberAlias : 3/7/2018 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13854077 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In one year. He certainly showed he can hold the position down at least for this next season.
Yep. They will upgrade what they can and where they can but in the short term this staff is going to have to do what the last one failed, which is generate competition and coach guys up.
RE: Jones is going to work his  
WillVAB : 3/7/2018 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13854044 ryanmkeane said:
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ass off and you can rely on him to be solid out there. I like it.


Solid is a stretch. The bar has been set pretty low around here.

RE: RE: Heís not very good either  
The_Boss : 3/7/2018 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13854078 djm said:
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In comment 13854037 The_Boss said:


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Like most, if not all of the OL, the long term solution at OC is not on this roster.



Thanks. Can you offer up tomorrow lotto numbers too? You know everything else why not share the wealth.

I'm sure the day the Giants signed jones as a vet fa from the Canadian league that you were absolutely certain he would not only make the team but play and actually hold his own in real games. You knew that. Now you know he's got no future here.

This place sucks sometimes.


The guy sucks. Rewatch the games. And I know itís hard, but try bring less of a cock sometimes. Thanks.
RE: Jones is pretty much a jag  
Reale01 : 3/7/2018 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13854053 bigbluescot said:
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doesn't get a lot of push but rarely gets pushed back. You can live with that.


He gets pushed back in pass protection. But usually stays between his man and QB. Very solid reserve IMO.
I am not saying PFF is the end all be all but ...  
robbieballs2003 : 3/7/2018 6:59 pm : link


https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2017/11/06/new-york-giants-brett-jones-avery-moss-pff-grades-week-9/

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2017/12/19/new-york-giant-brett-jones-viable-pass-blocker-pro-football-focus/

https://mobile.twitter.com/pff_nygiants/status/933486755906490369
RE: RE: RE: Heís not very good either  
The_Boss : 3/7/2018 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13854102 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13854078 djm said:


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In comment 13854037 The_Boss said:


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Like most, if not all of the OL, the long term solution at OC is not on this roster.



Thanks. Can you offer up tomorrow lotto numbers too? You know everything else why not share the wealth.

I'm sure the day the Giants signed jones as a vet fa from the Canadian league that you were absolutely certain he would not only make the team but play and actually hold his own in real games. You knew that. Now you know he's got no future here.

This place sucks sometimes.



The guy sucks. Rewatch the games. And I know itís hard, but try bring less of a cock sometimes. Thanks.


Sucks is too harsh. I stand by my ďnot very goodĒ assertion.
I don't see my picture. I don't know if it is just my phone.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/7/2018 7:03 pm : link
https://mobile.twitter.com/pff_nygiants/status/942072562770759680?lang=en
robbie  
lono801 : 3/7/2018 7:06 pm : link
It shows...

And I'm actually kind of shocked by the numbers

I recall during the season...many here were happy with his play
It's not like the Giants can dump everyone and expect  
mfsd : 3/7/2018 7:17 pm : link
to find 5 new pro bowlers in one offseason. Jones is a cheaper option than Richburg will be and could actually prove better anyway. If we do find a better center in time, he's not locked into an expensive deal.
I'm okay with metrics in football  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/7/2018 7:20 pm : link
but if we're being fair, Richburg had a really strong year in metrics once upon a time.

He passed the eye test too.

And then fell off a cliff.
At the very worst....  
BillKo : 3/7/2018 7:25 pm : link
...he's a good backup, and if he has to start, he's not embarrassing you. Plus..he stays healthy it seems so far.

An easy tender.
Reese  
AcidTest : 3/7/2018 7:32 pm : link
was just not good at drafting OL. At all.
I think he is insurance  
Reb8thVA : 3/7/2018 7:39 pm : link
In case they canít upgrade in FA or the draft.
Jones is a hog mollie  
Rjanyg : 3/7/2018 7:49 pm : link
Expected this
RE: Heís not very good either  
Hammer : 3/7/2018 7:52 pm : link
In comment 13854037 The_Boss said:
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Like most, if not all of the OL, the long term solution at OC is not on this roster.


I don't know about this.

It seemed to me that when Jones was playing center and Fluker was in at right guard the line got some push and the running game improved, even though the Giants were fielding third and fourth string wide receivers.

I like Jones. Yeah, he is an overachiever but he works his ass off and gets the job done. I would be comfortable fielding Jones for the next four or five years.
Jones  
Dragon : 3/7/2018 8:04 pm : link
Is a stopgap for one year at less than 3 mil but that just goes to show how little talent they have on the OL. This is a very good draft for centers with one that unfortunately or fortunately got hurt which could cause him to fall unexpectedly. My real fear with the OL is that once again they may put patches on it but injuries destroy it due to the fact no real depth is obtained. However thatís a team wide problem that canít be fixed in one day.
I was so excited for Richburg  
TommytheElephant : 3/7/2018 8:21 pm : link
What a disappointment
And a second rounder to boot
Jones is good in the same way...  
Ryan : 3/7/2018 8:27 pm : link
....a girl tends to look more attractive when her friends are all over 2 bills and have odd body hair.
Watch Jones  
Carl in CT : 3/7/2018 8:28 pm : link
Watch our running game the last 6 weeks. He did his job well.
Jones is a scrapper  
Matt in SGS : 3/7/2018 8:36 pm : link
and he'll be decent for the Giants, I don't expect the second coming of Bart Oates. But the reality is that the Giants can't plug every hole on the offensive line this offseason. So as you prioritize you realize you can live with Jones at center for a year.
Let's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/7/2018 8:38 pm : link
not get be too optimistic here. Jones had some rough games at center.
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/7/2018 8:39 pm : link
$2.91 million (2nd-round) tender?

That's quite a bit of $$$. Hope he elevates his game.
Guys  
Rjanyg : 3/7/2018 8:49 pm : link
All this is is the front office saying: we need to solidify our Center position.

Let's tender Jones and pencil him in as the starter, and we will draft a center in round 4 or 5.

Mason Cole in round 5 sounds good to me.
Brett Jones is not a JAG  
est1986 : 3/7/2018 9:07 pm : link
Brett Jones >>> Weston Richburg. Starting Center for under $3million. Good.
RE: RE: Heís not very good either  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/7/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13854166 Hammer said:
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In comment 13854037 The_Boss said:


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Like most, if not all of the OL, the long term solution at OC is not on this roster.



I don't know about this.

It seemed to me that when Jones was playing center and Fluker was in at right guard the line got some push and the running game improved, even though the Giants were fielding third and fourth string wide receivers.

I like Jones. Yeah, he is an overachiever but he works his ass off and gets the job done. I would be comfortable fielding Jones for the next four or five years.


I think it would be a real mistake to get comfortable based on what Jones did last season. Just because it was better than the garbage football that's come from the interior of the line the past few years shouldn't mean handing out starting jobs and penciling names into the starting lineup going forward. You want to field the best unit possible, not just settle for the first maybe league-average thing that appears to be competent.
A solid first year  
uconngiant : 3/7/2018 9:20 pm : link
as a starter and can run block, unlike Westburg.
RE: A solid first year  
uconngiant : 3/7/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13854283 uconngiant said:
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as a starter and can run block, unlike Richburg.
RE: It's not like the Giants can dump everyone and expect  
short lease : 3/7/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13854124 mfsd said:
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to find 5 new pro bowlers in one offseason. Jones is a cheaper option than Richburg will be and could actually prove better anyway. If we do find a better center in time, he's not locked into an expensive deal.


Why not? Gettleman's here now fool ...




(j/k) ... : )
Remember...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/7/2018 9:35 pm : link
He can serve as the primary backup at both center and guard.

That has value.
RE: I was so excited for Richburg  
short lease : 3/7/2018 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13854199 TommytheElephant said:
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What a disappointment
And a second rounder to boot


Yeah, so was I. He looked promising early .... nagging injuries? Who knows ...?
Jones was solid.  
FStubbs : 3/7/2018 9:50 pm : link
We have a lot of other positions to upgrade. If a better center comes along, great, but we can live with Jones at center in 2018.
RE: I am not saying PFF is the end all be all but ...  
RottenApple : 3/7/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13854106 robbieballs2003 said:
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https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2017/11/06/new-york-giants-brett-jones-avery-moss-pff-grades-week-9/

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2017/12/19/new-york-giant-brett-jones-viable-pass-blocker-pro-football-focus/

https://mobile.twitter.com/pff_nygiants/status/933486755906490369


I just read another thread bashing PFF. So, they rate a Giants player poorly, they suck. If they rate them positively, they are good. Got it. Weíre dealing with real brain surgeons on this board.
2014 - the best draft for tackles and guards in a decade  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/7/2018 10:30 pm : link
...and we draft a center. And no other OL at all. Freakin genius.
What do you expect?  
Doomster : 3/8/2018 5:15 am : link
Think we can just go out and replace the whole OL?

Was Jones the weakest link in the OL last year?

No!

So you start with the weakest links.....

The rebuild for the OL has been going on for 7 seasons, and we do not even have one building block...

Our first move was a LBer.....was it a need? Absolutely!

But that move just cost us 10M in cap.....

So how many more big moves can we make? Are we playing for now? If yes, then expect several contracts to be restructured to increase cap for signings....but that is a double edged sword.....instant success or the hole gets deeper.....Gettleman has his work cut out for him....
You could do worse than Jones.  
Brown Recluse : 3/8/2018 7:11 am : link
But you could do a lot better.

He's serviceable and affordable until something better comes along (maybe in the draft)

Except when we play the Eagles.
The only connection that favors a Norwell signing is DG.  
Ivan15 : 3/8/2018 7:41 am : link
I donít think thatís enough.
Jones is quality  
HoustonGiant : 3/8/2018 10:19 am : link
and he'll get better. Especially when there is talent around him.
I like Jones  
Jay on the Island : 3/8/2018 7:58 pm : link
but I hope the Giants add John Sullivan to hold down the fort for a year. Jones is better as a backup G/C. This would give Jones another year to improve and prove he is the future center. If he fails the Giants bought themselves a year to find their next center because they won't be able to fix the offensive line in one offseason.
I'm loving the 'decision tree' emerging for Gettelman so far  
Torrag : 3/9/2018 12:37 pm : link
Jones played very well and improved weekly with virtually no support around him last season. This tender is a very wise move.

Coupled with the Ogletree trade it shows marked improvement in two areas.

1) Scouting of offensive line ability. Something the last regime proved terrible at.

2)Valuation of speed and explosion at the LB position and it's importance to a defenses success in today's game.
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