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nygiants16 : 3/8/2018 9:10 am
According to the post hornacek is contemplating going back to jack with burke and mudiay struggling the past couple of games...

So hornacek will give vets the benefit of the doubt over and over again after bad games, but burke and mudiay have a couple and it is off to the bench?

I get it the young guys have struggled the past few games but you can't just bench them when there is nothing to play for...

He does this and Perry should fire him immediately..
Speechless  
BigBlueShock : 3/8/2018 9:15 am : link
So, when they decided to go with the young guys after the All Star break, wasn’t the idea to let them develop and take their lumps for the greater good of the future? I guess that plan gets thrown out the window the minute they expectedly struggle? Wasn’t that the idea? To put them out there and let them go through the growing pains? It makes zero sense. What does putting Jack back into the starting lineup accomplish?
Frank  
TyreeHelmet : 3/8/2018 9:17 am : link
Why not give Frank a chance to start at point? If he struggles badly, it helps the tank and motivates him to improve in the offseason. If he outperforms expecations, even better.

What is the point of playing Jack? Dotson, Frank, Burke, Mudiay, Williams should all be playing big minutes to close out the year. Only the Knicks...
Silver  
Pete44 : 3/8/2018 9:29 am : link
Perhaps, Silver spoke to the Knicks as this tanking season has become a joke as the bottom teams are like 6-40 in the last 46 games. It has become a major issue. The bulls were scolded to play Robin Lopez and Justin Holiday.
RE: Silver  
nygiants16 : 3/8/2018 10:08 am : link
In comment 13854635 Pete44 said:
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Perhaps, Silver spoke to the Knicks as this tanking season has become a joke as the bottom teams are like 6-40 in the last 46 games. It has become a major issue. The bulls were scolded to play Robin Lopez and Justin Holiday.


Doubtful, Knicks are still playing kanter, Beasley, lance, oquinn, lee...

Knicks only benched one healthy player, very doubtful he said anything..

More likely is hornacek is a moron
RE: Frank  
nygiants16 : 3/8/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13854618 TyreeHelmet said:
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Why not give Frank a chance to start at point? If he struggles badly, it helps the tank and motivates him to improve in the offseason. If he outperforms expecations, even better.

What is the point of playing Jack? Dotson, Frank, Burke, Mudiay, Williams should all be playing big minutes to close out the year. Only the Knicks...


I don't think it is the knicks, I think it is hornacek, doubtful Perry told hornacek to put 2 guys he brought in on the bench for a old vet that won't be here next year
RE: Silver  
BigBlueShock : 3/8/2018 10:13 am : link
In comment 13854635 Pete44 said:
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Perhaps, Silver spoke to the Knicks as this tanking season has become a joke as the bottom teams are like 6-40 in the last 46 games. It has become a major issue. The bulls were scolded to play Robin Lopez and Justin Holiday.

The Sixers tanked for about 5 straight seasons. You’re telling me the Knocks decide to play some young guys and Silver steps in and insists that they play 50 year old Jarrett Jack? I find that ridiculous
Orlando was up by like 12 at one  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 10:14 am : link
Point in the 2nd half but obviously blew it. Bulls won at least.

Nets hornets tonight
Bulls pistons tomorrow
Orlando-SAC tomorrow as well
Knicks play the bucks tomorrow too.

It’ll be a good week...and then next week we’ll be back to shitting on the Knicks for not tanking properly.
Begley:  
Enzo : 3/8/2018 10:17 am : link
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@IanBegley
After losing 13 of 14, NYK’s in 9th place in the "Lottery Standings." (They had the 12th-worst record before this losing skid). They’re 1.5 games behind CHI in race for NBA’s 8th-worst record. If Knicks surpass Bulls, their odds to land a top-5 pick increase from 11.5% to 32.1%.

come on Bulls! Still can't believe the Nets, who are trying, are still stuck on 20 wins.
RE: RE: Silver  
Keith : 3/8/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 13854715 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13854635 Pete44 said:


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Perhaps, Silver spoke to the Knicks as this tanking season has become a joke as the bottom teams are like 6-40 in the last 46 games. It has become a major issue. The bulls were scolded to play Robin Lopez and Justin Holiday.


The Sixers tanked for about 5 straight seasons. You’re telling me the Knocks decide to play some young guys and Silver steps in and insists that they play 50 year old Jarrett Jack? I find that ridiculous


He only suggested this because Silver recently called out the Bulls for sitting their vets.
RE: RE: Silver  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13854715 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13854635 Pete44 said:


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Perhaps, Silver spoke to the Knicks as this tanking season has become a joke as the bottom teams are like 6-40 in the last 46 games. It has become a major issue. The bulls were scolded to play Robin Lopez and Justin Holiday.


The Sixers tanked for about 5 straight seasons. You’re telling me the Knocks decide to play some young guys and Silver steps in and insists that they play 50 year old Jarrett Jack? I find that ridiculous


Funny thing is first year the Sixers tanked was also the first year the Knicks missed the playoffs since Melo. And right now the two franchises are on different planets. The Kings and Magic can unintentionally lose every year and don't get any flack for it until the Sixers do it so flamboyantly (and properly) lol.
Derrick Rose signing in Minnesota  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 10:50 am : link
Thibs probably got a massive boner, he was able to blow out Jimmy B's knees Rose should be no problemo.
RE: Derrick Rose signing in Minnesota  
bceagle05 : 3/8/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 13854805 giantsfan44ab said:
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Thibs probably got a massive boner, he was able to blow out Jimmy B's knees Rose should be no problemo.


That got a laugh out of me. Come on Thibs, you know you want Joakim Noah, too.
Julius Randle  
Pep22 : 3/8/2018 11:15 am : link
do you believe he will be MAXd?

what is a MAX per his years in the league if signed by LAL? if signed by another team?

I realize he's an RFA
RE: Begley:  
djm : 3/8/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13854725 Enzo said:
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@IanBegley
After losing 13 of 14, NYK’s in 9th place in the "Lottery Standings." (They had the 12th-worst record before this losing skid). They’re 1.5 games behind CHI in race for NBA’s 8th-worst record. If Knicks surpass Bulls, their odds to land a top-5 pick increase from 11.5% to 32.1%.


come on Bulls! Still can't believe the Nets, who are trying, are still stuck on 20 wins.


Culture! Can't keep those nets down
RE: Julius Randle  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13854849 Pep22 said:
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do you believe he will be MAXd?

what is a MAX per his years in the league if signed by LAL? if signed by another team?

I realize he's an RFA


I don't think he'll be maxed, a max for him would probably be 5 years, ~$27M a year (what wiggins got). I dont think there are enough teams with cap space to sign him to that, I think he ends up getting around $15-20M a year, but maybe LA gives him a 1 year max offer and lets him be a UFA next season.
Twolves new favorites out west  
dep026 : 3/8/2018 11:42 am : link
They are about to sign Derrick Rose!
Fuck Silver.  
Beezer : 3/8/2018 11:46 am : link

People refer to it as "tanking," but the bottom line is, if a ball club isn't going anywhere, why the FUCK should they be urged away from starting/playing/developing their young players for the future?

So we are compelled now by the commissioner to watch Jarrett fucking Jack take minutes away from three young guards?

Unreal.

RE: Twolves new favorites out west  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13854925 dep026 said:
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They are about to sign Derrick Rose!


Good ole Dep! They gotta make the playoffs first, they might be in the 9th or 10th spot by sunday
*8th or  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 11:56 am : link
9th spot
is it true that the NYK cap space is  
Pep22 : 3/8/2018 12:05 pm : link
negligible if Kanter opts in (which I would fully expect)?
RE: is it true that the NYK cap space is  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13854973 Pep22 said:
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negligible if Kanter opts in (which I would fully expect)?


Pretty much yeah. I agree Randle would be perfect with KP, but not looking like that will happen unless he signs a 1 year deal and they pursue him next year.
RE: RE: Twolves new favorites out west  
dep026 : 3/8/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13854947 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13854925 dep026 said:


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They are about to sign Derrick Rose!



Good ole Dep! They gotta make the playoffs first, they might be in the 9th or 10th spot by sunday


I know Butler is out, but if they dont make the playoffs - what does that say about Thibs? Pelicans are doing fine without Cousins. So are the Wiz without Wall.
Either Kanter opts out or he's a nice expiring contract next year  
bceagle05 : 3/8/2018 12:15 pm : link
if the right trade comes along. I have a feeling the next All-Star player the Knicks get their hands on will come via trade - I just hope it's within the next two years, and not the next 20.
Or he's off the books completely for the summer of 2019,  
bceagle05 : 3/8/2018 12:16 pm : link
which is probably the best case scenario.
I'm starting to be with you on Thibs  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 12:18 pm : link
I think his GM skills are far behind his coaching skills, which is probably damning in your eyes.

I think the main difference between NO and MIN is Davis, not coaching though. KAT and Wiggins are useless defenders on most nights, Davis thrives with more spacing on the floor at the 5.

Butler is Minny's Davis, Towns is more like Minny's cousins if we're equivocating roles.
I'd bet the house Kanter opts in  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 12:20 pm : link
There's a strong correction for old school bigs long overdue. Big contract slots should be reserved for wings for non-star players, you can get useful bigs with exceptions and vet mins.
Imagine the Wolves missing the playoffs  
dep026 : 3/8/2018 12:32 pm : link
and then getting a top 3 pick..... Getting an Ayton or Bagley or Porter.

Whoa nellie.
RE: Imagine the Wolves missing the playoffs  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13855046 dep026 said:
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and then getting a top 3 pick..... Getting an Ayton or Bagley or Porter.

Whoa nellie.


It's probably their best option for them. Get another lottery pick and trade Wiggins.
Big picture: The NBA has a competitive-balance problem.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/8/2018 1:52 pm : link
The rise of superteams means only a handful of teams have a realistic hope of winning the title as the season starts.

If you're not one of those teams, they only way to become one is to tank and hope to acquire enough talent to lure top free agents and become a superteam yourself. Realistically, very few teams will succeed that way. Very few draft picks become a Curry or a Durant or whoever. So you can be in the lottery year after year and never become that kind of team. The Knicks have three lottery-pick guards right now, for example, and appear far from winning.

This isn't new in the NBA. The Celtics dominated the 60s. The Lakers, Celtics and 76ers dominated for years after that. Then the Bulls. Now the Warriors. But the rest of the league seems to have formed a consensus that there's no point in being mediocre, so you might as well tank.
NBA  
TyreeHelmet : 3/8/2018 2:05 pm : link
I agree there have always been powers that dominated the league but most years you could make the argument that 4 or 5 teams could win it all.

Now it will take a massive upset to beat the Warriors. The rockets a shot and Lebron could always do it, but it would be shocking if the Warriors lost.
When the players run the ;eague  
dep026 : 3/8/2018 2:21 pm : link
;ole Lebron, CP3, Wade, and others have done for the last few years - its leading to bad things. The complaining during and after games is at an all time high. These players are absolutely incredible but impossible to root for.
I miss  
giantsfan44ab : 3/8/2018 2:57 pm : link
Kawhi
Nets wrapping up a blowout win in Charlotte.  
bceagle05 : 3/8/2018 9:11 pm : link
Keep it going, boys!
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