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Should we re-sign Pugh?

Tony in Berlin : 3/8/2018 9:21 am
If Fluker leaves, both guard spots are open (I'm leaving Jerry out of this discussion). If Fluker stays, given his injury history, another G/T might be useful - aside from whoever is signed as a FA. So, what to do with Pugh? Is he still in the plans, maybe as a RT?
if they resign him  
Andy in Boston : 3/8/2018 9:24 am : link
I like him at right tackle. He played well there last year.
I dont see how we would if he is in such demand league wide  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 3/8/2018 9:25 am : link
He is always injured and we need guys that can actually play at a high level and stay on the field.
Blech  
Joey in VA : 3/8/2018 9:25 am : link
No.
Only as a fallback plan  
David B. : 3/8/2018 9:27 am : link
if neither the Giants, nor he can find a better dance partner. And even then, only for a 1 year deal at a reasonable price.
Only if itís heavily incentivized.  
Tuckrule : 3/8/2018 9:27 am : link
Meaning snaps played. Heís a valuable asset as a 4 hole hog molly but his health is a real concern.
Yes --Good and Versatile Player,  
clatterbuck : 3/8/2018 9:34 am : link
can play guard, RT, LT in a pinch, good locker-room presence. I'd make an effort to sign him to a reasonable contract.
I'd resign him  
ryanmkeane : 3/8/2018 9:40 am : link
for a reasonable (but probably decently high) number at RT.

LT: Flowers and Wheeler competing
LG: Norwell
C: Jones with a rookie competing
RG: high drafted rookie
RT: Pugh

That's my ideal OL
If the cap is not going to restrict what we do in Free Agency,  
Simms11 : 3/8/2018 9:40 am : link
then he might be an option to bring back. I still donít understand how the cap will not limit what the team could do in Free Agency?! If we sign Norwell weíd have virtually no cap remaining, especially with rookies to sign. I just donít think itís feasible to fix this whole team in one off-season. Thereís a reason players are traded and jettisoned.....to free up cap. We still have like 3 LBers now and only like two potential starters on the Oline, need another RB and CB depth, just to name a few.
Question is  
Rjanyg : 3/8/2018 9:41 am : link
can we afford him after Norwell is signed? I would rather get Norwell and Fleming. Jones is tendered, Fleming at RT, Norwell at LG. All are young healthy players. Add a RG in the draft. Greco is vet depth, Wheeler and Flowers fight it out for LT. Bisnowaty, Hilapio and hopefully a rookie Center fill out the depth chart.
No. He will get a decent pay day  
Mike from Ohio : 3/8/2018 9:41 am : link
from someone and it should not be the Giants. He is a very average player with injury concerns who will be overpaid. That is not the kind of guy you rebuild the line with.
I don't think the market will be as high for him  
NYG07 : 3/8/2018 9:42 am : link
as he thinks it will be, given his injury history. I am hoping the Giants can bring him back on a one year prove it deal, either at guard or right tackle. The Giants won't be able to fix the o-line in one offseason, so he would be at the very least a nice stop gap on a one year deal.
RE: Yes --Good and Versatile Player,  
Boy Cord : 3/8/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 13854641 clatterbuck said:
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can play guard, RT, LT in a pinch, good locker-room presence. I'd make an effort to sign him to a reasonable contract.


Not many decent OL on the market, salary cap up. Pugh isnít on the field enough. And his arms are short.
Well ...  
Trainmaster : 3/8/2018 9:46 am : link



Seriously, the Giants need to purge injury prone players from the roster. Especially on the OL, with synergy is so key.

Yes if the number is reasonable for the Giants  
AnnapolisMike : 3/8/2018 9:47 am : link
Pugh does not suck...but he has issues staying on the field. Just let it play out. If he wants to be a Giant then the Giants will have a chance to match a number he gets elsewhere.
If it is true that the team  
Beer Man : 3/8/2018 9:48 am : link
has agreed to sign Norwell, then it is very likely that Pugh's ship has sailed
No. The $8-10m is better put towards a better player  
Eric on Li : 3/8/2018 9:48 am : link
even if they are more expensive. He's had his shot to establish himself here at numerous positions and he just hasn't done it. Giving him a big contract isn't likely to change that.
RE: If it is true that the team  
Beer Man : 3/8/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13854664 Beer Man said:
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has agreed to sign Norwell, then it is very likely that Pugh's ship has sailed
Not to mention, how much cash does the put out for a guy that can't stay on the field. He could have all the talent in the world, but it does the Giants no good if he is in street clothes on game day.
RE: I dont see how we would if he is in such demand league wide  
AcidTest : 3/8/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13854626 Bold Ruler said:
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He is always injured and we need guys that can actually play at a high level and stay on the field.


Agreed. For the right price I would, but somebody is going to give him a lot of money.
No.  
Miamijints : 3/8/2018 9:56 am : link
He is overrated imo.
If he promises to stay healthy...  
Milton : 3/8/2018 9:57 am : link
Yes!
Only if  
Kyle in NY : 3/8/2018 9:59 am : link
his market collapses due to health concerns and he's willing to take a one year "prove it" deal. But even that seems unlikely
Yes - he's pretty good and very versatile  
PatersonPlank : 3/8/2018 10:02 am : link
He could play 4 of the 5 OL positions for us, which gives us maximum flexibility when rebuilding the line. With Norwell and a high draftee, we'd have the starters of Norwell, Pugh, Jones, Draftee (T or G) all set. That leaves Flowers to battle it out for the 5th spot.
RE: No. The $8-10m is better put towards a better player  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/8/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 13854666 Eric on Li said:
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even if they are more expensive. He's had his shot to establish himself here at numerous positions and he just hasn't done it.

I don't think the comment about establishing him at various positions is true. The Giants have looked to him to be the fireman when they have had a problem. They have taken advantage of his versatility. That said, I agree he isn't worth $8-10 million if he is going to be consistently injured. If he stayed on the field you would absolutely want him.
No way  
arniefez : 3/8/2018 10:06 am : link
slightly above average player who doesn't play a full season and will be paid retail.
.....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 3/8/2018 10:11 am : link
Only on a 1 year prove it deal. Iím sure he can find a lot better deal than that.

At his age, players donít typically become less injury prone

But last year, I thought Hankins would be gobbled up days after free agency started, and he hung around forever. So you never really know what teams are thinking of these guys
How bout no  
giantsFC : 3/8/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 13854622 Andy in Boston said:
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I like him at right tackle. He played well there last year.


Not if they are paying him as a top lineman. He was average at best st tackle and couldnít stay healthy

Time to move on. Unless he takes a discount
RE: RE: No. The $8-10m is better put towards a better player  
Eric on Li : 3/8/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13854692 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 13854666 Eric on Li said:


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even if they are more expensive. He's had his shot to establish himself here at numerous positions and he just hasn't done it.


I don't think the comment about establishing him at various positions is true. The Giants have looked to him to be the fireman when they have had a problem. They have taken advantage of his versatility. That said, I agree he isn't worth $8-10 million if he is going to be consistently injured. If he stayed on the field you would absolutely want him.


He had 2 seasons to establish himself at RT and then another 3 to establish himself at LG. Had he stayed healthy and played well at either he'd still be there and he'd probably already be resigned. During those seasons the line shuffled due to injuries, yes, but many times the shuffling was brought about in part because of his own injuries.
Forgetting the fact that he was our best lineman during his tenure  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/8/2018 10:20 am : link
he is always injured and doesn't seem to play anyone ONE position on the line at a pro bowl level... let him go to Philly.
RE: No. He will get a decent pay day  
Giants1956 : 3/8/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 13854651 Mike from Ohio said:
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from someone and it should not be the Giants. He is a very average player with injury concerns who will be overpaid. That is not the kind of guy you rebuild the line with.


My thoughts also.
Lets move on. But after the Hankin contract with the Colts
last year, who knows. All you need is one team with a lot
of cash and the feeling that Pugh is the missing piece.

Also I think there is too much hate for Jerry. He was
suppose to be a back up. The fact that he was always
playing says something about the quality of the OL roster.
He was asked to do too much.
I'm hoping another team overpays for him  
JonC : 3/8/2018 10:56 am : link
Would much prefer to move on, he just doesn't stay health and isn't able to, uh, play football on gameday.

Concussions and backs tend to be chronic in this line of work.
His real value  
Doomster : 3/8/2018 11:17 am : link
is his ability to play multiple positions, although not outstanding at any one particular position...

But the guy has too many physical problems.....

Someone with plenty of cap space may take a chance.....

It will be interesting once Norwell sets the bar, to see what he is asking...
He's a valuable player.  
Keith : 3/8/2018 11:24 am : link
Our line immediately became much better when he took over at RT, like immediately. He's not very durable, but it would all depend on his cost. If the number is reasonable, I'd be all for it.
IF itís either him a Norwell then no, bye Pugh  
est1986 : 3/8/2018 11:25 am : link
But I would go for both or Norwell and Solder, fuck it.
RE: IF itís either him a Norwell then no, bye Pugh  
est1986 : 3/8/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 13854886 est1986 said:
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But I would go for both or Norwell and Solder, fuck it.


..*or* Norwell..
I don't think he is going to get a huge contract from anyone.  
Brown Recluse : 3/8/2018 11:29 am : link
I bet all this stuff out now about how big his market is, is nothing more than fluff.

He'll sit out there on the free agent wire for a long time trying to get a big deal and it won't come. Then he'll end up signing somewhere cheap - because he can't stay healthy and even when he was healthy, he wasn't a great player.

If he ends up being someone who signs with a team on a 1 to 2 year deal in order to reset his value for his next contract, I wouldn't mind the Giants being that team.

No way is he worth close to double digit millions across multiple years though.
He will be over paid  
ZogZerg : 3/8/2018 12:20 pm : link
So No.
Fallback if they canít sign Norwell. If Pugh would sign for $5 million  
Ivan15 : 3/8/2018 1:22 pm : link
less than Norwell, sure.

Pugh has value. Too bad they never really tried him at LT.
Fallback if they canít sign Norwell. If Pugh would sign for $5 million  
Ivan15 : 3/8/2018 1:23 pm : link
less than Norwell, sure.

Pugh has value. Too bad they never really tried him at LT.
NO ...  
Manny in CA : 3/8/2018 1:41 pm : link

He's a history of failure at RT (after being picked #1 by Reese), got moved to LG and was just OK; now he's worn down and hurt too often
Absolutely IMO  
TMS : 3/8/2018 4:02 pm : link
guy is a smart solid player who is very versatile but injury prone. Can we afford him and does he want to be here ? Let DG make that call.
My initial recaction is no, because I suspect that someone will  
yatqb : 3/8/2018 4:06 pm : link
give him a long term contract. If we were to give him a contract that could be cut without major cost after a year I'd be for it, but I don't suspect that is likely.
IMO absolutely not  
Default : 3/8/2018 4:08 pm : link
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I see no reason  
mrvax : 3/8/2018 4:17 pm : link
to think he'll be less injured as time goes on. It sucks to have to shuffle the line around every time Pugh goes out.

Someone will likely overpay.
.  
RobCarpenter : 3/8/2018 4:47 pm : link
He has played well at both  
RetroJint : 3/8/2018 5:21 pm : link
Tackle and Guard. Hardly a history of failure . He does have an injury history. Iíll let Gettleman worry about it. I presume everybody is already talking to the free agentsí reps. If DG gets beat on Norvell, he must have a fall-back plan. Pugh leaves . Then what ? Gettleman is in his grace period. Itís going to be interesting to see his MO. I think Pugh will go to the Jags to play for his college coach, his first NFL coach and his first line coach . But letís give Gettleman the time to correct this thing .
I'm hoping the Giants sign  
Jay on the Island : 3/8/2018 7:01 pm : link
G/C Zach Fulton
C John Sullivan
and G/RT Chris Hubbard in FA.

Then in the draft come away with Brian O'Neill in round 2, with a slight trade down hopefully, and Wyatt Heller in round 3.

The line would be
LT O'Neill/Wheeler
LG Fulton/Heller
C Sullivan/Jones
RG Hubbard/Heller
RT Flowers/Hubbard.

That's a nice blend of youth and experience.
RE: .  
giantsFC : 3/8/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13855492 RobCarpenter said:
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Lol
Not sure if we should keep him long term  
djm : 3/8/2018 9:36 pm : link
But I hate when people say Pugh is average and always hurt. He's good and always hurt. Not average.

Gotta decide whether Pugh is due for a run of good health or more bad luck. Some guys get healthier as their career progresses while other get worse. Pugh could help the cause... or he could miss more time in 2018 and piss everyone off even more.
I should say  
djm : 3/8/2018 9:37 pm : link
He's not always hurt but he's missing significant chunks of every season lately..
Been there done that...  
GFAN52 : 3/8/2018 9:46 pm : link
pass. Time to move on from Pugh.
We need to "strike while the iron is hot" ...  
Manny in CA : 3/8/2018 11:33 pm : link

THIS year, lest we mire in mediocrity for a LONG time.

To his credit, Reese did fix the defense in one year, but stumbled mightily when it came to the offensive line. When the defense was hit with the injury bug, the offense could simply not hold up, and "down the "toilet" went the season.

We are only three top-tier players (O-linemen) and one quality receiver (compliment to OBJ) from reaching for that big swinging brass ring.
Pugh at RT for sure; Flowwers at LT  
SGMen : 3/9/2018 12:09 am : link
But only Pugh for the right price.
No  
giantsfan227B : 3/9/2018 2:29 pm : link
Unless we get him really cheap.
For me...  
Milton : 3/9/2018 2:49 pm : link
It's not a question of should we because I'm no authority on projecting future injuries based on past injury history. On top of that, without knowing what the numbers and terms are, it's difficult to guess whether it's a wise investment or not.

All I know is, when Pugh is healthy, he is an asset to the team. He can play four different positions (maybe even five) at a level anywhere from reliable to plus player (depending on the position). So if the Giants doctors determine that he is no more likely to end the year on IR than your average lineman and Abrams signs off on the numbers and terms, who am I to say it's a bad move.
RE: Pugh at RT for sure; Flowwers at LT  
Milton : 3/9/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13855799 SGMen said:
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But only Pugh for the right price.
If the Giants get Norwell to play left guard, Pugh can play right tackle and be insurance against Flowers/Wheeler/rookie? shitting the bed on the left side.
RE: I'd resign him  
Milton : 3/9/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13854647 ryanmkeane said:
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for a reasonable (but probably decently high) number at RT.

LT: Flowers and Wheeler competing
LG: Norwell
C: Jones with a rookie competing
RG: high drafted rookie
RT: Pugh

That's my ideal OL
This is kind of my thinking as well, but with Flowers given his walking powers. I just think he's part of the culture they are trying to change. If they drafted Crosby, he could either play RG or play RT (thus pushing Pugh over to RG or maybe even LT).

What it shows you is that signing Pugh gives the Giants the freedom to draft the best OL available when they're on the clock, because he can fill in the blank spot on the line. He even gives them the freedom to take a flyer on one of the boom or bust left tackle prospects like Brian O'Neill or Joe Noteboom.
'Should we re-sign Pugh?'...  
Torrag : 3/9/2018 3:15 pm : link
...if they do it should be at a team friendly cap number with the intention he plays OT. Which would insulate him to a degree from his recurring concussion issue.

It was always his best position anyway.
Unless we have a very successful FA period  
TMS : 3/11/2018 3:40 pm : link
which, I doubt, with our cap limitations. If he wants to stay, absolutely for market price. He is an Injury prone good vet who can fill in anywhere, knows the system and will be very hard to replace for the $$$ and expierience he brings. MO
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