If Fluker leaves, both guard spots are open (I'm leaving Jerry out of this discussion). If Fluker stays, given his injury history, another G/T might be useful - aside from whoever is signed as a FA. So, what to do with Pugh? Is he still in the plans, maybe as a RT?
LT: Flowers and Wheeler competing
LG: Norwell
C: Jones with a rookie competing
RG: high drafted rookie
RT: Pugh
That's my ideal OL
Not many decent OL on the market, salary cap up. Pugh isn’t on the field enough. And his arms are short.
Seriously, the Giants need to purge injury prone players from the roster. Especially on the OL, with synergy is so key.
Agreed. For the right price I would, but somebody is going to give him a lot of money.
I don't think the comment about establishing him at various positions is true. The Giants have looked to him to be the fireman when they have had a problem. They have taken advantage of his versatility. That said, I agree he isn't worth $8-10 million if he is going to be consistently injured. If he stayed on the field you would absolutely want him.
At his age, players don’t typically become less injury prone
But last year, I thought Hankins would be gobbled up days after free agency started, and he hung around forever. So you never really know what teams are thinking of these guys
Not if they are paying him as a top lineman. He was average at best st tackle and couldn’t stay healthy
Time to move on. Unless he takes a discount
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even if they are more expensive. He's had his shot to establish himself here at numerous positions and he just hasn't done it.
I don't think the comment about establishing him at various positions is true. The Giants have looked to him to be the fireman when they have had a problem. They have taken advantage of his versatility. That said, I agree he isn't worth $8-10 million if he is going to be consistently injured. If he stayed on the field you would absolutely want him.
He had 2 seasons to establish himself at RT and then another 3 to establish himself at LG. Had he stayed healthy and played well at either he'd still be there and he'd probably already be resigned. During those seasons the line shuffled due to injuries, yes, but many times the shuffling was brought about in part because of his own injuries.
My thoughts also.
Lets move on. But after the Hankin contract with the Colts
last year, who knows. All you need is one team with a lot
of cash and the feeling that Pugh is the missing piece.
Also I think there is too much hate for Jerry. He was
suppose to be a back up. The fact that he was always
playing says something about the quality of the OL roster.
He was asked to do too much.
Concussions and backs tend to be chronic in this line of work.
But the guy has too many physical problems.....
Someone with plenty of cap space may take a chance.....
It will be interesting once Norwell sets the bar, to see what he is asking...
..*or* Norwell..
He'll sit out there on the free agent wire for a long time trying to get a big deal and it won't come. Then he'll end up signing somewhere cheap - because he can't stay healthy and even when he was healthy, he wasn't a great player.
If he ends up being someone who signs with a team on a 1 to 2 year deal in order to reset his value for his next contract, I wouldn't mind the Giants being that team.
No way is he worth close to double digit millions across multiple years though.
Pugh has value. Too bad they never really tried him at LT.
Pugh has value. Too bad they never really tried him at LT.
He's a history of failure at RT (after being picked #1 by Reese), got moved to LG and was just OK; now he's worn down and hurt too often
Someone will likely overpay.
C John Sullivan
and G/RT Chris Hubbard in FA.
Then in the draft come away with Brian O'Neill in round 2, with a slight trade down hopefully, and Wyatt Heller in round 3.
The line would be
LT O'Neill/Wheeler
LG Fulton/Heller
C Sullivan/Jones
RG Hubbard/Heller
RT Flowers/Hubbard.
That's a nice blend of youth and experience.
Lol
Gotta decide whether Pugh is due for a run of good health or more bad luck. Some guys get healthier as their career progresses while other get worse. Pugh could help the cause... or he could miss more time in 2018 and piss everyone off even more.
THIS year, lest we mire in mediocrity for a LONG time.
To his credit, Reese did fix the defense in one year, but stumbled mightily when it came to the offensive line. When the defense was hit with the injury bug, the offense could simply not hold up, and "down the "toilet" went the season.
We are only three top-tier players (O-linemen) and one quality receiver (compliment to OBJ) from reaching for that big swinging brass ring.
All I know is, when Pugh is healthy, he is an asset to the team. He can play four different positions (maybe even five) at a level anywhere from reliable to plus player (depending on the position). So if the Giants doctors determine that he is no more likely to end the year on IR than your average lineman and Abrams signs off on the numbers and terms, who am I to say it's a bad move.
LT: Flowers and Wheeler competing
LG: Norwell
C: Jones with a rookie competing
RG: high drafted rookie
RT: Pugh
That's my ideal OL
What it shows you is that signing Pugh gives the Giants the freedom to draft the best OL available when they're on the clock, because he can fill in the blank spot on the line. He even gives them the freedom to take a flyer on one of the boom or bust left tackle prospects like Brian O'Neill or Joe Noteboom.
It was always his best position anyway.