That’s what ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay thinks at least. McShay said Wednesday he believes USC’s Sam Darnold and Wyoming’s Josh Allen are now viewed by many NFL teams as a cut above UCLA’s Josh Rosen and Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield. McShay has Allen going to the Jets with the sixth pick in his latest mock draft.
“If Darnold’s off the board, I can’t speak for the Jets right now, they’re probably still in their decision-making process, but I think [Allen] would fit the climate that they’re going to have to play in for a portion of the year,” McShay said in a conference call with reporters, “and I think for a lot of teams it’s become a little bit of a separation with Darnold and Allen at the top and then maybe Baker and Rosen a slight notch below. That doesn’t mean that’s for all teams. Certainly there are varying views on this year’s quarterback class.”
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I'm shocked that Rosen isn't the consensus #1. I really can't see any glaring negatives about his game.
Concussions, yes - shoulder no, you can't throw the ball like he does if the shoulder is bad. Even the concussions are a bit ludicrous since we don't know if any of the others had them, too.
what's your gut telling your right now about what Cleveland does at #1 and NYG at #2?
Rosen = Pocket Passer, Tall but a little light
Darnold = A little Tony Romo, a little Dan Marino, Perfect Size
Allen = Big Ben like, raw, Perfect Size
Mayfield = Russell Wilson Like, hopefully not Johnny like
Jackson = RGIII or Vick Like
Rudolph = Carson Palmer Like
never seen such a selection before.
That doesn't even include 2nd tier guys like Silver, Lauletta, White.
I do remember the year Manning was drafted there were arguments too but that felt more like arguing about 3 elite guys versus 4-5 flawed guys like now.
The battle for Danny Wuerffel begins
Rosen = Pocket Passer, Tall but a little light
Darnold = A little Tony Romo, a little Dan Marino, Perfect Size
Allen = Big Ben like, raw, Perfect Size
Mayfield = Russell Wilson Like, hopefully not Johnny like
Jackson = RGIII or Vick Like
Rudolph = Carson Palmer Like
never seen such a selection before.
That doesn't even include 2nd tier guys like Silver, Lauletta, White.
You do know Rosen came in heavier than Darnold and only 11 lbs and one inch less than Allen?
Nearly every football player alive has had 2 concussions. No, it doesn't bother me. And the shoulder thing was nothing.
His film is worlds better than any of these guys.
Did I say Rosen was can't miss?
At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is the Giants board and we won't know what that looks like until the end of April.
Rosen = Pocket Passer, Tall but a little light
Darnold = A little Tony Romo, a little Dan Marino, Perfect Size
Allen = Big Ben like, raw, Perfect Size
Mayfield = Russell Wilson Like, hopefully not Johnny like
Jackson = RGIII or Vick Like
Rudolph = Carson Palmer Like
never seen such a selection before.
That doesn't even include 2nd tier guys like Silver, Lauletta, White.
How is Darnold the "Perfect Size" when he is half inch shorter than Rosen and 5 lbs lighter yet Rosen is "a little light"?
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even the most ardent fan boys need to realize that there are things to love and things to worry about with every one of these prospects. If you really think your guy is a can't miss, you are the one with the bias.
Did I say Rosen was can't miss?
Can't miss may have been the wrong phrase. What I intended to say was that it is pretty clear none of these prospects have separated themselves from the pack.
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depends on perspective.
Rosen = Pocket Passer, Tall but a little light
Darnold = A little Tony Romo, a little Dan Marino, Perfect Size
Allen = Big Ben like, raw, Perfect Size
Mayfield = Russell Wilson Like, hopefully not Johnny like
Jackson = RGIII or Vick Like
Rudolph = Carson Palmer Like
never seen such a selection before.
That doesn't even include 2nd tier guys like Silver, Lauletta, White.
You do know Rosen came in heavier than Darnold and only 11 lbs and one inch less than Allen?
Nope i didn't know that. Wasn't trying to knock him, i think he's the best prospect in the draft.
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Rosen's 2 concussions and a throwing shoulder injury don't concern you??
Nearly every football player alive has had 2 concussions. No, it doesn't bother me. And the shoulder thing was nothing.
His film is worlds better than any of these guys.
Maybe 10 years ago that would matter, but now, you have to worry about protocol and not being able to hide it. We are talking about fines, lawsuits, etc not to mention the missed games.
For that not to concern a team would be the definition of negligence.
At least the Giants have Manning and Webb. They have QB's. Some teams like NY Jets and Arizona have basically nothing. Even the Browns have Kizer, which isn't saying much.
His physical abilities are through the roof and seems totally clean otherwise. He is going to surprise.
Great line.
Allen is super strong but is SO inaccurate.
I'm a Rosen guy all the way if his medicals check out. And cleaning/shaving the labrum is no big deal typically, but they have MRIs to check that.
His physical abilities are through the roof and seems totally clean otherwise. He is going to surprise.
Not if he cannot complete passes. I think if he was a 60% or greater completion percentage guy, yes he'd be #1. But I think him being against lower level competition and still being at only 57% is a problem.
His physical abilities are through the roof and seems totally clean otherwise. He is going to surprise.
His physical abilities are through the roof and seems totally clean otherwise. He is going to surprise.
I agree. Been saying this for months.
I’m with you. He had a good offensive line to boot. I just don’t see it with him. He’s got the arm and throws a beautiful ball. That’s where it starts and ends. Allen reminds me of Big Ben. Same knocks coming out. Weakcompetiton anf accuracy problems. Hmmmm sure seemed to work well for Pitt. Give me allen or darnold. I want no part of man child mayfield and fragile josh(channeling my inner trump nicknames)
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least of them all.
He’s got the arm and throws a beautiful ball. That’s where it starts and ends.
Which, coincidentally, is where it starts and ends for NFL QBs.
At least the Giants have Manning and Webb. They have QB's. Some teams like NY Jets and Arizona have basically nothing. Even the Browns have Kizer, which isn't saying much.
So a 37 year old declining qb and an unknown 3rd round lottery ticket equate to something? Most teams have a Webb. The Giants are in need of a qb like many other teams in the league now. The days of not caring about the qb position are quickly coming to a close for our team.
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on these quarterbacks are all over the map. Impossible to predict anything
I'm shocked that Rosen isn't the consensus #1. I really can't see any glaring negatives about his game.
Don't believe the hype...
Again though, lets say the Giants did have Rosen clearly above the rest, or any team for that matter, why would they make that known? The fact that there is so much ambiguity around the league on the QB rankings only helps teams hide their true rankings.
Again though, lets say the Giants did have Rosen clearly above the rest, or any team for that matter, why would they make that known? The fact that there is so much ambiguity around the league on the QB rankings only helps teams hide their true rankings.
Carve out Jints Central for a moment. I think McShay is fairly dialed in. So I would imagine he's connected with a significant sample to make his statement. Unless there is collusion going on between GMS - which would be quite unusual ;) - I have to think this is the opinion du jour for this QB class...