BBI Draft Chat with Great Blue North Draft Report

take a QB with the 2nd pick of the draft? If so, which one?

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are some sleeper prospects the Giants should consider in rounds four and five?

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beyond Barkley and Nelson, and if so, who would you include in that list?

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And do you see any targets who might fit what they are looking to do?

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What's your take on the value of Bradley Chubb? Overrated or a legitimate top-5 type of player?

What OL and especially OT prospects do you think will be available in the 2nd or 3rd round for the Giants. Assuming they take either Barkley or a QB in round 1.

Thoughts on Jaleel Scott the WR from New Mexico State?

Is there reason to believe that Nelson's and Barkley's glowing reviews are any more reliable than the reviews Warmack and Richardson were receiving prior to the draft?

But there is one very important POV I almost never see mentioned around here. Mara seems to be the forgotten man in the equation here, and I'm not at all convinced he's hands off on a franchise altering decision such as the #2 pick. He did give the word to start looking at the young QBs last year, let's not forget, and also signed off on sitting Eli.

What is your read on Mara's potential influence on what the team does @2?

There are usually 'strengths' in the draft. I am under the impression that this year it's RBs, CBs and QBs. Anything else.

How else would you characterize this draft in terms of depth, quality etc?

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Or is he the real deal?

Late round or undrafted OL that Gettlemen finds that can make an impact right away.

You’ve been very consistantly saying that the QB value in this draft is being undervalued by us fans, and that NFL FOs seethem differently than we do valuewise. Also that the Giants spot is more likely the spot for a QB, and that sound management says given the Giants personnel that’s what the # 2 pick calls for.

During the combine have you heard anything that either confirms this or shakes your stated position up in any way?

In the cards, and if so, who are some names we should keep an eye on?

it's been awhile. A lot of folks are against taking Nelson at #2. Forgetting the #2 spot at the moment and only focusing on Nelson, where would you rank him as a Guard coming out of college in any of the previous 5, 10 or longer years? Is he a potential 10 year all-pro in the NFL?

Afternoon: Great to be back on one of my favorite stops on the pre-draft process. A couple of notes. I am going to be joined by my partner in crime Pigskin Paul Guillemette. We are going to try and braek it down with Paul taking the questions related to specific players and I will try and deal with the purely related Giants questions.

Also because we don't get paid for this - other than the pure enjoyment of chatting with you folks - we would appreciate it if folks are at the site (gbnreport.com) that they click an ad or two if there is something that interests them.

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Two questions

1. Assuming the Giants stay at #2, other than a QB, which players meet the nexus of appropriate value and need for the Giants.

2. With the addition of Ogeltree, and lets assume the Giants add another Guard FA. Even though teams draft players, not positions, can you name the positions you feel the Giants should or would be inclined to address with what is only 5 picks at the moment.

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I sense it might be something that elevates the priority of on the field performance relative to H/W/S type athleticism, but that is just a guess. Do you have any insights into what those changes might be and how they could potentially impact who we draft?

Any 3rd or 4th round Dlineman flying under the radar? I think it’s imperative we rebuild the lines. We don’t have much depth behind the starters and it really hurt us last year as guys were gassed often. Who in your opinion can be a really good pass rusher from Day 1?

Who do you think the Giants will draft? Do you think Nelson could be taken at #2 in the draft?

I've read opinions that he's more likely to be like Jake Locker than Carson Wentz. He's almost the same size as Wentz, but Allen seems green as hell, and a ways away from being ready to play. Then there's his accuracy issues (which Wentz didn't have) which historically, few QBs ever fix. How many reads is he making at the college level? In the highlight footage I've seen, he takes off and runs a lot (for yards -- not to extend plays with his arm, like Darnold) which makes me nervous with any QB, but especially someone as tall and lanky as he is.

I understand the appeal of his measurables, but he doesn't look like the best, second, or even 3rd QB prospect to me. Yet people like Mayock are rating him that way. What are they -- and you -- seeing beyond the measurables.

Tim Settle and Wyatt Teller as prospects?

It is going to be a really interesting run up to the draft and while we never like to say never, certainly my sense is that the Giants will take one of the QBs with the #2 pick. Its simply what teams with a 37-year old QB coming off back-to-back years in which he's been rated in the 20s in passing efficiency. In fact, to me its an exciting time because the Giants are in position if they get the right guy they could be putting themselves in a position where they could have another 10 year run where they are legit contenders.

Which guy is the right guy of course is the $64K question. Its a really interesting year for QBs. You have 4 guys who are really talented; indeed, each one in their own way has something of a 'wow' factor. The problem of course is that all 4 also have a major issue and until they actually get to the pros one isn't going to know how it all plays out. The odds are that 2 of the 4 end up being really good pros and two don't. And the sad fact is that no one - not Mel Kiper, not Mike Mayock, not Bill Belichek, not Ted Wolf - can tell with anymore accuracy than a monkey throwing darts at a dart board which ones will be stars or which ones will go bust.

In the end I suspect the decision may come down to Shurmur indication which guy he'd be the most comfortable working with, but its still a roll of the dice.

In fact, there are no sure things when it comes to the draft. Whether the Giants take one of the QBs or a Barkley or a Nelson or a Chub b they'll be rolling the dice.

Is Connor Williams considered a LT or RT by scouts?
Is he a consideration for Giants in second round?

What seperates the top QBs in this draft from your perspective and as Gettleman indicated how do they stack up against the second pick historically?

can offer the best trade packages for the Giants to consider?

not for plug and play day one, but 2nd, or 3rd rd? starter potential in your opinion?

Good question Uber. I personally think the Giants can bounce back next year but the key is more the D playing like it did in 2016 than simply upgrading the OL. I say that because there is a lot of talent on D they just didn't play well in 2017. I am also excited about Bettch running the D as he loves pressure whereas the past two admins with the Giants played it much more conservatively. That said it will be interesting to see how Bettch plays it this year. The front 7 guys are all basically 4-3 guys who one could fit into a 3-4 but it would be an awkward fit at times altho truth be told I would love to see what would happen if Bettch used JPP the way he used Chandler Jones last year. One real possibility though is that if the Giants are indeed going to a 3-4 they take an edge rusher like Harold Landry with the 34th pick.

Re Eric's question about Chubb; I had my doubts about him until he ran in the mid 4-6 range at the combine. So yeah he's a legit top 5 guy but he's also a protoype 4-3 DE; indeed, if one was tempted to go that way with the #1 pick then maybe Tremaine Edmunds or Marcus Davenport would be better fits.

Great athlete, which we saw at Combine, but may be a work in progress for a year or more. Reminds me a lot of Nate Solder of NE. JAMRCO not so much. May end up inside at OG lie Pugh did.

His athleticism indicates he can play LT, but his arm length and wingspan is less than ideal. Very good numbers at Combine. G-Men could try him on LT side of formation.

and do you think that Hines would be a nice 4th rounder as a 3rd down back and returner?

I lke Chubb, but I do not see him as elite. I would also say the GIants have a lot more needs than another DL at Pick 2. How about that RB?

FlaGiants: Don't think I am breaking any news saying that the interior OL is really deep this year and one would think the Giants will get a shot at one of Wynn, Hernandez, Price or Daniels at #2. And there could very well be several decent OT candidates in the 3rd such as O'Neill, Brandon Parker, Jamarco Jones and mabe even Tyrell Crosby. The other possibility is that if one of the OTs like McGlinchey, Connor Williams and/or Kolton Miller are there in the 20s they make a move up from 34.

My question is regarding Rosen and his injury history. Without the injury red flag, I think he would be the clear cut top QB to draft, but obviously that isn't the case. Can you speak on the level of concern regarding his injury history? Is it something teams overlook or is it something that makes them rethink drafting him?

Milton: As I said in the intro who knows why some guys make it and some don't. It is indeed a crapshoot. My theory is that the key variable is 'can players play the game at the speed the NFL game is played at' and one is only going to know that when they actually get on an NFL field. And its not just the running speed but the ability to process and react in milliseconds to a ton of info coming at you.

If he is there when Giants pick in Round 2 I would tae him in a heart beat. The new leadership has to decide if this is a patch job to get back to Play-Offs or a massive rebuild. If you are keeping ELI then it's patch time.

Uber again: One constant one sees on the BBI (and I go back to before it was even the BBI) is that folks want someone to blame. Thw fact is the Giants have really good ownership. The owners do not interfere in football personnel decisions. They might sign off if the Giants thought about trading up or down but I doubt that Mara will have any impact at all on the actual player they select.

polarizing players in this draft. Some think he's destined to be a star, some think he's best suited as a WR. Curious to hear your thoughts on Jackson, curious to hear what you guys think of him and curious to know what you guys are hearing about him around the league.

Often FBI has a lot to do with guys not being able to make the transition to pro game. Talented players with athleticism but not too many smarts often can't get it especially on O. Desire and heart are also big factors.

HE'S NOWHERE near being an NFL level passer, and that's after 3 years of starting. I'm also a bit skeptical of his intelligence level as a QB. He's not Dak Prescott or Watson in that regard IMO. Plus the Petrino QB tree in the NFL is pretty naked. As Casserly always says, let someone else tae the chance, not me.

which do you like best? how do you rank them?

Jay: I think you hit the nail on the head re the strengths of this year's draft. There's real strength and depth at RB, CB and the interior OL; I would also add in the 3-4 type edge rushers. All good news for the Giants. On the other hand its weak at OT, WR and 4-3 DEs. And while its not the way NFL types think, the fact is that you can get RBs who can do a lot of what a barkley would give you in rounds 2-3-4. Same with Nelson and the OGs. On the other hand, your not getting much at QB outside the top 10.

without mentioning Barkley! He's the hot topic around these parts. People are saying that he's the best Rb prospect in over a decade. Someone recently said that he's the only guy with a perfect score. What do you guys think about Barkley? Where would you rank him amongst the recent RB draft picks?

SETTLE reminds me of HANINS, which is both praise and concern. He looked pretty sloppy at Combine. I am intrigued right now on Mr. Teller. I need to watch more game tape. He really looked solid at SR Bowl. THen he tested very well at Combine. He's an Interior OL starter potentially, with OT back-up potential. Still a 34th Rounder to me, but be might be moving up.

Gidie: Took a while to get to this. Right now we don't really know what the Giants are thinking about the QBs and I am really intrigued to see w how they handle the various QB pro days coming up in the next two weeks, but what we do know is that there is a pretty good consensus around the NFL that Darnold, Rosen and Allen are legit top 5 types with Mayfield a little further back.

And right now Allen may be the key. I had a couple of NFL guys I know tell me even before the combine to paraphrase "don't sleep on Josh Allen" If a team is patient and has a good QB coach he has a huge ceiling.

what's his floor?

Best RB in a while. Even better than EZEIEL IMO. People look at his rushing numbers from last season, but forget that the PSU OL was mediocre at best. Name me a Penn State OL. He's leaps and bonds better than my No.2 guy GUICE. If he's there at 2 the Giants need to grad him, then get the best OL in Round 2 still left. ELI will be grateful

are some day three sleepers the Giants should consider?

Also, what do you think of Kurt Benkert?

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what the Giants should do as bbi is. Colin says QB, Paul says Barkley.