Jeremiah suggests Giants trade back 2x in 1st round

Though it’s easy to think those are smart things to do while drinking scotch...

Let's just draft the second best player in the thing.

#21 (Bills)
#22 (Bills)
#33 (Browns)
#34 (Giants)*
#35 (Browns)
#55 (Bills)
#66 (Giants)*
#102 (Giants)*
#139 (Giants)*
#166 (Bills)*
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Bills OT Cordy Glenn & their first round pick next year

but the amount of picks would have to be massive.

I would want the Browns the 4th, 2019 1st round pick and a 2nd this year. From Buffalo I would want the 21st and 22nd picks, and a 1st and 2nd in 2019 for the #4 pick.
That would leave the Giants with the 21st and 22nd pick this year plus the 33rd and 34th pick.

In 2019 they would have three first round picks and two second rounders to use as leverage to move up for one of the QB's if they so choose. Of course the chances of this happening are 1 in a million. People just need to accept the fact that the Giants are more than likely going to take their next QB at 2.

if the Giants already had a young franchise QB on the roster. Unless someone hands DG a crystal ball that shows that Webb is that guy it is too risky to pass on a QB at 2.

I can see them trade back to 4 and then 6, but no way do I want them dropping any further. They need to get one of the top talents on the board if they don't love a QB at 2 and Barkley is gone, i.e. Nelson or Fitzpatrick.

They could still get some nice additional picks trading back to 4, and if they chose to trade back again to 6, and get a can't miss player. IMO, that's what they need, a can't miss, plug right in talented player.

And a team in need of star talent, do you really want to trade back into the 20's? I'm not against trading back, but I would prefer to stay top 10.

Giants Get:
#21 (Bills)
#22 (Bills)
#33 (Browns)
#35 (Browns)
#55 (Bills)
#166 (Bills)*
+
Bills OT Cordy Glenn & their 2019 1st round pick

Bills Get:
#4 (Giants via Browns)

Browns Get:
#2 (Giants)

Although the amount of picks we'd get in return would be massive!

than trading back once. Trading back once makes you not have your real choice, and only gives you a little. Trading back twice allows you to potentially fix a lot of issues with this team.

I would love to get a generational player at #2

In comment 13855625 Jimmy Googs said:

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Though it’s easy to think those are smart things to do while drinking scotch...

LMAO!

However, in our situation and accounting for the strengths in the draft, we could solidify the OL, get some really decent LBs, get Guice and get one or two good DBs.
Intriguing if the situations present themselves.

would have a whole new team.

But that haul makes me rethink. Not sure it's feasible.

In comment 13855643 mrvax said:

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would have a whole new team.

Hmmm, let’s do it then...

The drop is too far. I've seen this trade with the Bills too many times. The Browns can accumulate tons of picks. A small trade down is fine, but get a blue chip prospect at some position.

In comment 13855631 Jay on the Island said:

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if the Giants already had a young franchise QB on the roster. Unless someone hands DG a crystal ball that shows that Webb is that guy it is too risky to pass on a QB at 2.

He'll need the same crystal ball to pick the right QB.

unless you feel a QB would be a generational talent even though Barkley would look great in giants blue.

having 21, 22, 33,34,35, 55, and 66 in the first 2 days

plus Cordy Glenn and the bills 1st rounder next year is a the type of haul that could change the franchise.

If you are thinking about wanting the Giants to compete next year this would be the best plan to do so. We could draft multiple lineman, a running back, and pass rusher, a linebacker and another DB. You could even take a chance on another QB if one drops. You could get multiple impact players.

At least it is something I would consider...

Or stay out and Barkley or a QB

but the Giants have a 37 year old QB, no RB, a poor OL & a ton of other needs.

I’d be livid if we passed on Barkley/QB to add a bunch of quantity.

if there is a roll of the dice with LamJax as the heir apparent. I get more intrigued with him every day...

Why are people so against adding an all-pro level talent or a franchise QB to this roster? Do you know how many teams would kill for the chance to draft one of the top QB's Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb?

Why give up that opportunity for a bunch of picks in the 20's, and 2nd round. And future draft picks that you have no idea what their actual value is. Those guys are less likely to pan out and be difference makers. It turns into a crap shoot the farther down the draft board you go.

In comment 13855660 Breeze_94 said:

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Why are people so against adding an all-pro level talent or a franchise QB to this roster? Do you know how many teams would kill for the chance to draft one of the top QB's Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb? Why give up that opportunity for a bunch of picks in the 20's, and 2nd round. And future draft picks that you have no idea what their actual value is. Those guys are less likely to pan out and be difference makers. It turns into a crap shoot the farther down the draft board you go.

I think because it is just fun to think of adding several players rather than one. I am against trading down unless the Giants strongly dislike all of the QB's in the draft which I have a really hard time buying.

In comment 13855656 Sean said:

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but the Giants have a 37 year old QB, no RB, a poor OL & a ton of other needs. I’d be livid if we passed on Barkley/QB to add a bunch of quantity.

Exactly. It is hard to find A-level talents later in the draft.

You can find decent starters, but you are not likely to find all-pro level talents like Barkley and Chubb.

Unless you want to build a roster full of C or B level players that are easily replaceable- the Justin Pughs, Kiwanukas, Aaron Rosses, Prince Amukamaras, and William Josephs of the world.

In comment 13855664 Breeze_94 said:

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In comment 13855656 Sean said: Quote: but the Giants have a 37 year old QB, no RB, a poor OL & a ton of other needs. I’d be livid if we passed on Barkley/QB to add a bunch of quantity. Exactly. It is hard to find A-level talents later in the draft. You can find decent starters, but you are not likely to find all-pro level talents like Barkley and Chubb. Unless you want to build a roster full of C or B level players that are easily replaceable- the Justin Pughs, Kiwanukas, Aaron Rosses, Prince Amukamaras, and William Josephs of the world.

And to add to this, you definitely aren't going to find a franchise QB which is something the Giants should definitely be considering.

A year from now the Giants will be able to let go of Eli in which they will save $17 million against the cap IIRC. They will have the luxury of having a franchise QB on a rookie deal for 3 years before the final option year which is still below market value. They can use those savings to extend Beckham, and Collins.

Chubb or Nelson, plus a slew of 2nd rounders, but not for a 1st rounder in the 20s.

Is worth the 2nd overall.

If Barkley is taken by Cleveland at #1 overall, I’d be OK with a trade back from 2nd overall (2600) to 4th overall (1800) if the Giants got Cleveland’s 2nd round 33rd overall (580) and 35th overall (550).

Maybe take Chubb or Nelson or a QB at 4th overall. With the first 3 picks in round 2, the Giants would be able to trade back into the 1st round around pick 20, or keep three early 2nd rounders.

In comment 13855631 Jay on the Island said:

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if the Giants already had a young franchise QB on the roster. Unless someone hands DG a crystal ball that shows that Webb is that guy it is too risky to pass on a QB at 2.

Why with those picks you can trade up next year. Especially if they do not believe their QB of the future is in this draft. What about the kid who was a Freshman for GA this year. He may come out next year.

I've said this before, but if it's me, I am making sure I come away with one of these 4 guys...

Barkley
Rosen
Nelson
Fitzpatrick

I think for Barkley or Rosen, you have to take them @ 2.

The other two guys, I think if you move down a few spots, but stay in the top 10, you've got a decent shot at one of them since whoever we swap with is almost certainly going QB.

I don't like the idea of moving down twice.

If the Giants don't come out of this thing with an elite player or franchise QB, they did a poor job.

In comment 13855677 arcarsenal said:

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I've said this before, but if it's me, I am making sure I come away with one of these 4 guys... Barkley Rosen Nelson Fitzpatrick I think for Barkley or Rosen, you have to take them @ 2.

What if we got Chubb at #2 and LamJax in round two?

I'd love for us to trade down 2x but only IF we get a solid starter type that fills a hole when we do pick. We can fix a lot of holes if we draft well the first two rounds with extra picks mixed in. Big IF.

As mentioned, one benefit would be a number of picks next year to leverage cor a trade up/QB. This obviously only makes sense if they don't love a QB this year. But, for a team with so many needs, having that many picks has its merits also.

In comment 13855682 Matt M. said:

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This obviously only makes sense if they don't love a QB this year.

Here is the problem with not being in love with a QB this year - you'll be even less in love with the QB crop next year...

Patriots are good because of the depth of quality players they have + Brady + Belichik. Given the choice, I'd prefer signing many more NFL above-average guys over 1 or 2 potential Pro Bowl guys -- unless we're sure about a QB or DE.

In comment 13855678 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13855677 arcarsenal said: Quote: I've said this before, but if it's me, I am making sure I come away with one of these 4 guys... Barkley Rosen Nelson Fitzpatrick I think for Barkley or Rosen, you have to take them @ 2. What if we got Chubb at #2 and LamJax in round two?

I think I could live with that just because I really do like Lamar - I'm not crazy about Chubb @ 2 but the LJax part of the equation makes me not hate it.

Still - if we were going to wind up with Jackson, then I'd much rather come away with Nelson or Barkley, in particular.

I have a feeling Jackson really isn't on the Giants' radar - so it's probably just a pipe dream anyway .

own #53 as well as #55

Get them both

In comment 13855684 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13855682 Matt M. said: Quote: This obviously only makes sense if they don't love a QB this year. Here is the problem with not being in love with a QB this year - you'll be even less in love with the QB crop next year...

This is EXACTLY correct. The Giants must come away with a QB for the 2019 or 2020 season in this draft. Grab the QB you like best in the 1st and focus the rest of the draft on core players - Oline/Dline/Dbackfield/LB.
A trade down to 4 with Cleveland could work out ok, but I don't see a reason to drop back to the 20's and miss out on a franchise QB.

In comment 13855693 arcarsenal said:

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I have a feeling Jackson really isn't on the Giants' radar - so it's probably just a pipe dream anyway .

Something to ponder - Shurmur really liked Bridgewater while in Minny. Maybe he sees a better version of Bridgewater in LamJax...but more mobile in and out of the pocket and better arm...

We’ll just take the next Big Blue franchise QB at 2

Cleveland swap for two second rounders
Jets #4 for #7 a second and a third

Not unreasonable IMO
Round 1 Pick 6 (NYJ): Nelson, Quenten OL ND (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1 (CLE): Vander Esch, Leighton, OLB/ILB, Boise State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 2: Key, Arden, DE/OLB, LSU (B)
Round 2 Pick 3 (CLE): Smith, Braden, OG, Auburn (B-)
Round 2 Pick 5 (NYJ): Michele RB Georgia,
Round 3 Pick 2: Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (B)
Round 3 Pick 8 (NYJ): Carter, Lorenzo, OLB, Georgia (B+)
Round 4 Pick 2: Hill, BJ, DT, North Carolina State (A)
Round 4 Pick 35: Lotulelei, Lowell, DT, Utah (C+)
Round 5 Pick 2: Dawson, Duke, CB, Florida (A+)
Round 6 Pick 2: Scarbrough, Bo, RB, Alabama (A+)

Sign premium FA OT, OG, and WR

Sign lesser FA at S assorted small deals

Sign Kennard, Jones, and Cockeral

Cut Marshall, Jerry, Harris

Sign OBJ and Collins with big guarantee in 2019.

Note BJ Hill won't be there but there are some other good players at that spot.

no problem trading to pick 4 but that is it unless its next trade would be to like 6th. Buff pick is way to far back.

In comment 13855703 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13855693 arcarsenal said: Quote: I have a feeling Jackson really isn't on the Giants' radar - so it's probably just a pipe dream anyway . Something to ponder - Shurmur really liked Bridgewater while in Minny. Maybe he sees a better version of Bridgewater in LamJax...but more mobile in and out of the pocket and better arm...

I think Jackson and Bridgewater are very different prospects - Teddy was/is a pure pocket passer. He's not mobile at all. Jackson's athleticism is in another universe - but Bridgewater was a much more polished passer coming out.

I'd say if Teddy had played under Petrino @ LOU, there'd be another connection there where I could see how it could make sense.

However, Bridgewater aside - what Shurmur ran in MIN would work fantastically with Jackson, IMO. The RPO/power spread concepts are exactly what you need to run if you have Jackson as your QB, IMO.

So, from that standpoint, I could absolutely see how it could work.

I have no real basis for thinking Jackson isn't on NYG's radar, it's just the feeling I'm getting.

I hope they do something like this

Giants aren't competing in this NFC any time soon

I'll take the picks

In comment 13855721 jayg5 said:

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I hope they do something like this Giants aren't competing in this NFC any time soon I'll take the picks

The Giants aren't competing anytime soon if they don't find their next franchise QB. As we saw in 2011 a great QB can compensate for a lack of talent on the roster.

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that many times or that far to stockpile picks. Mara wouldn't allow it

First trade down to 4 with Cleveland
Second Trade down to 6 with Jets so the can jump the broncos
Third Trade down to 11 with Miami so they out bid the cardinals for the spot
Fourth Trade down with the Bills so they can jump the Cardinals.
Firth Trade down with the Saints so they can grab their QB.
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Fill in the QB's as you like but i'll take a guess
Browns gets Rosen
Jets gets Darnold
Broncos gets Allen
Miami gets Mayfield
Bills get Jackson
Saints gets Rudolph

I want a qb. Point was if Giants are dumb enough to pass on qb, the scenario of trading back like Jerimiah said is something I'd hope they do. With that said. Give me Rosen please