Jeremiah suggests Giants trade back 2x in 1st round

In comment 13855757 jayg5 said:

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I want a qb. Point was if Giants are dumb enough to pass on qb, the scenario of trading back like Jerimiah said is something I'd hope they do. With that said. Give me Rosen please

I agree with you on the QB, it seems like not selecting one at 2 is a colossal mistake, but that’s just my opinion. If they do trade down they need to get a massive massive deal and I still will think they will regret it.

within 3 seasons . 1. Alliowing Beckham to leave the Giants, either intentionally or by screwing up the contract negotiations . 2. Not drafting a quarterback , who goes on to excel in the league.

I’m not advancing any opinion as to what he should do. This is his gig. But he should be cognizant that the NFL usually operates on a three-year timetable for turning around an organization . The Browns advanced that timetable to 2 seasons , and then one. But the Giants , at least as far as the HC is concerned , reduced the tolerance period to 3/4 of one season.

It is still hard to believe that McAdoo got axed in less than one season following an 11-win rookie season . It’s not like he got caught in a domestic violence arrest or something like that . So DG better not take solace in the notion that the Giants “don’t fire GMs.” Mara is getting to be very impetuous.

This team stopped being special years ago. Now they are nosediving . Nobody worries about playing the Giants anymore . Teams secretly relish the opportunity to face Eli, regardless of what is said for publication. .

Back to DG’s seminal decisions , I think that he will accommodate Beckham . Quite handsomely , I will add. And he will build around , build up Eli. Eschew the QB. I’ll let it go at that . God Bless.

I am all for anything that gives us trade ammo for when we do decide to go after our guy in the future

... the first two days of the draft. Someone please post the South Park picture of the guy at his computer covered in baby batter.

I say do it.

For me, 1 of these 4:

Barkley
Rosen Darnold
Nelson
Fitzpatrick Chubb

are taking a QB at #2 . Case closed. Nobody knows so lets wait and see.

In comment 13855711 arcarsenal said:

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However, Bridgewater aside - what Shurmur ran in MIN would work fantastically with Jackson, IMO. The RPO/power spread concepts are exactly what you need to run if you have Jackson as your QB, IMO.

Should have been clearer. Bridge and LamJax have this similar push motion with the ball. Not really a classical throwing motion. Apparently, Shurmur was working on lengthening that for Bridge. So there is that template to use for LamJax...

In comment 13855785 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13855711 arcarsenal said: Quote: However, Bridgewater aside - what Shurmur ran in MIN would work fantastically with Jackson, IMO. The RPO/power spread concepts are exactly what you need to run if you have Jackson as your QB, IMO. Should have been clearer. Bridge and LamJax have this similar push motion with the ball. Not really a classical throwing motion. Apparently, Shurmur was working on lengthening that for Bridge. So there is that template to use for LamJax...

Gotcha - yeah, I mean I think Shurmur would be an excellent pro coach for Jackson. I really think his career is going to hinge on being well-coached and being drafted by a team willing to mold their offense to what he does best.

Shurmur can do that.

I still don't see him winding up here, but I'd be pretty excited if he did. The talent is undeniable.

In comment 13855746 rasbutant said:

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First trade down to 4 with Cleveland Second Trade down to 6 with Jets so the can jump the broncos Third Trade down to 11 with Miami so they out bid the cardinals for the spot Fourth Trade down with the Bills so they can jump the Cardinals. Firth Trade down with the Saints so they can grab their QB. ........ Fill in the QB's as you like but i'll take a guess Browns gets Rosen Jets gets Darnold Broncos gets Allen Miami gets Mayfield Bills get Jackson Saints gets Rudolph

Nice analysis on your part. I included that scenario as an example of the haul of actual players we could potentially land. The roster issues that could be addressed. Each of the trades are realistic, but that does not mean the Browns or Jets would be willing partners in real life. Thanks to your GENIUS I now understand that point. Therefore we should not discuss anything on this board as none of us really understands the Giants actual thinking.

Is if they have the 3 top QBs all rated about the same and would be happy with any of them. If that were the case AND Cleve gave them what they wanted in return, then that trade might work. However...

There is no way Cleve is giving up both of their 2nd RD picks. It would more likely be a 2 and a 4 or maybe a 2 and a 3, but not both picks at the top of the 2nd RD.

And absolutely NO to the Buffalo trade. That's too far down.

One last thought...Let Buffalo's situation be a warning to the Giants. Buffalo is in QB hell and even though there are 3 or 4 top QBs, Buffalo probably won't be able to trade up to get any of them. If the Giants pass on a QB, this is their future.

In comment 13855626 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Let's just draft the second best player in the thing.

This ^^^

You will miss out on the 10 to 15 blue chip players in this draft.
I prefer staying at number 2 and getting your next QB for the next 10 years.

In comment 13855789 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13855785 bw in dc said: Gotcha - yeah, I mean I think Shurmur would be an excellent pro coach for Jackson. I really think his career is going to hinge on being well-coached and being drafted by a team willing to mold their offense to what he does best. Shurmur can do that. I still don't see him winding up here, but I'd be pretty excited if he did. The talent is undeniable.

No doubt that Jackson is a gifted athlete, but he is not an NFL QB. He is too far behind the in development. What works in college offense does not work in the NFL. At yesterday's conference with Colin from GBN it was said he does not have the mental part of the game down. Not that he isn't smart enough, but that he cannot make the necessary reads and related decisions and never improved in his 3 years at UL.

There is no way the Giants draft a kid that cannot read defenses. Jerry Jones may be willing to roll the dice in the 2nd, but I just do not see him being ready in two years. I'm not sure how the RPO would work with most teams in the NFL, but I can see him running it somewhere, but not in New York.

Do it and "settle" for whoever if we get a boatload of picks.

In comment 13855825 section125 said:

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No doubt that Jackson is a gifted athlete, but he is not an NFL QB. He is too far behind the in development. What works in college offense does not work in the NFL. At yesterday's conference with Colin from GBN it was said he does not have the mental part of the game down. Not that he isn't smart enough, but that he cannot make the necessary reads and related decisions and never improved in his 3 years at UL. There is no way the Giants draft a kid that cannot read defenses. Jerry Jones may be willing to roll the dice in the 2nd, but I just do not see him being ready in two years. I'm not sure how the RPO would work with most teams in the NFL, but I can see him running it somewhere, but not in New York.

Where is this coming from? LamJax played under Bobby Petrino’s pro system. And Petrino is one of the best offensive minds in college football.

I’m not suggesting LamJax has an intel football chip in his head like Rosen. But I don’t think he’s this total football dolt either. Not suggesting this is your view, but this rings of the old stereotypes on black QBs - can’t play the position because they aren’t sophisticated enough...

In comment 13855682 Matt M. said:

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As mentioned, one benefit would be a number of picks next year to leverage cor a trade up/QB. This obviously only makes sense if they don't love a QB this year. But, for a team with so many needs, having that many picks has its merits also.

Sounds good, but will there be any real NFL type QB's available next year? What good is getting picks for a possible pick or trade for a QB if there aren't any worthy enough to select?

In comment 13855675 The 12th Man said:

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In comment 13855631 Jay on the Island said: Quote: if the Giants already had a young franchise QB on the roster. Unless someone hands DG a crystal ball that shows that Webb is that guy it is too risky to pass on a QB at 2. Why with those picks you can trade up next year. Especially if they do not believe their QB of the future is in this draft. What about the kid who was a Freshman for GA this year. He may come out next year.

If you're using the 2019 picks that you acquire in trading down from the #2 spot to then trade up next year, you're essentially just kicking the can down the road, and will have likely also sacrificed adding any premium talent in this year's draft as well. You'll get a lot of quantity, sure. But the odds of those players being impactful starts to decrease quickly the farther you get from the top of the draft. That's not to say that it would be impossible to hit on one or two of those picks and get a real star, but that's basically the same thing you'd be hoping for by staying put.

As for Fromm (the QB from Georgia), he was a true freshman this past season, so he isn't draft eligible until 2020 (three seasons removed from high school).

In comment 13855703 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13855693 arcarsenal said: Quote: I have a feeling Jackson really isn't on the Giants' radar - so it's probably just a pipe dream anyway . Something to ponder - Shurmur really liked Bridgewater while in Minny. Maybe he sees a better version of Bridgewater in LamJax...but more mobile in and out of the pocket and better arm...

Teddy Bridgewater had a grand total of 170 yards rushing in three years at Louisville; Jackson rushed for 4,132 yards over his three seasons. Bridgewater had a career completion percentage of 68.4, including 71.0 his final year there; Jackson's career completion percentage is 57.0, topping out at 59.1 this past season.

They really couldn't be more dissimilar as prospects, unless there is something other than them both going to the same school that you think they have in common? Something to ponder indeed.

In comment 13855671 Trainmaster said:

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Is worth the 2nd overall. If Barkley is taken by Cleveland at #1 overall, I’d be OK with a trade back from 2nd overall (2600) to 4th overall (1800) if the Giants got Cleveland’s 2nd round 33rd overall (580) and 35th overall (550). Maybe take Chubb or Nelson or a QB at 4th overall. With the first 3 picks in round 2, the Giants would be able to trade back into the 1st round around pick 20, or keep three early 2nd rounders.

Exactly. Pick up more picks and have the ammo to move back into the 1st round. There will be lots of players who could start at the back end of round 1.

some of you would rather pick one and settle for mediocrity rather than pull in a treasure trove of multiple picks that can turn your team around?

The ideal situation would be to find a good-great QB to anchor this team, but if you don't think one is there, don't reach for one just because.

Out of this bunch, probably at least one will be good. the trick is picking one out. the draft is NOT a crap shoot. it's educated guessing. If your present knowledge makes you shrug your shoulders and go eeny, meeny, miny, moe, take the trade down and get a plethora of picks.

Next year's class being worse doesn't make this year's class better.

the Bills would have to give up a mega shit load of picks to make it worth dropping that far.

And you obtain a boatload of picks. We can rebuild the offense in the draft given the scenario of picks suggested from the Browns and the Bills (with Cordy Glenn as our OLT). What many are concluding here, is that Davis Webb is not the QB of the future. Well, he just might be. If Shurmur can resurrect Keenum's career, he can correct Webb's flaws (mostly footwork). Webb has been working hard in the off-season and he is a diligent student who is smart.
With many holes that would be filled in the purported 2 draft trades, we could move forward with Eli for at least 2018, and then give the reins over to Webb. If he is not the QB of the future, the Giants will be in much better "cap-land" in 2019 & 2020 when they would be able to sign a FA QB, if need be.
Only one caveat from some of the suggested draft picks: We could use a 6'4+ WR with one of those many 2nd/3rd Rd picks. And Equanimeous St. Brown (ND) just might be there with a late 2nd or early 3rd. We should not pass him up. He's going to be an excellent NFL wide-out.

In comment 13855660 Breeze_94 said:

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Why are people so against adding an all-pro level talent or a franchise QB to this roster? Do you know how many teams would kill for the chance to draft one of the top QB's Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb? Why give up that opportunity for a bunch of picks in the 20's, and 2nd round. And future draft picks that you have no idea what their actual value is. Those guys are less likely to pan out and be difference makers. It turns into a crap shoot the farther down the draft board you go.

Two reasons:

1 - The hope is that you draft well and add several all pro level talents to the roster. Remember Beckham was a mid first round pick.
2 - Even if they're not all pro, they'll be solid to good, and on a roster as talent depleted as the Giants, you need an infusion of solid to good players.

There's no wrong answer here as long as you draft well.

In comment 13855841 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13855825 section125 said: I’m not suggesting LamJax has an intel football chip in his head like Rosen. But I don’t think he’s this total football dolt either. Not suggesting this is your view, but this rings of the old stereotypes on black QBs - can’t play the position because they aren’t sophisticated enough...

One thing I will not tolerate from anyone is insinuating I'm stereotyping a player. A player hoping to be a top 1st round QB draft choice is going to be scrutinized. Go read yesterday's conference with GBN. There is a reason that a kid with his athletic ability and gifts is not at the head of the QB draft discussion. What is it? He's inaccurate because of poor mechanics and apparently does not make the necessary reads at this time to be drafted high in the 1st round. Colin's cohort yesterday says he has not seen improvement in his reads from his freshman year.

BTW, I feel the same way about Josh Allen if that assuages your fears, only difference is Allen is much more stoutly built and less likely to get hurt trying to make a play, but see how far size took Wentz..... I also don't think Darnold can make his reads quickly enough.

In comment 13855841 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13855825 section125 said: Quote: No doubt that Jackson is a gifted athlete, but he is not an NFL QB. He is too far behind the in development. What works in college offense does not work in the NFL. At yesterday's conference with Colin from GBN it was said he does not have the mental part of the game down. Not that he isn't smart enough, but that he cannot make the necessary reads and related decisions and never improved in his 3 years at UL. There is no way the Giants draft a kid that cannot read defenses. Jerry Jones may be willing to roll the dice in the 2nd, but I just do not see him being ready in two years. I'm not sure how the RPO would work with most teams in the NFL, but I can see him running it somewhere, but not in New York. Where is this coming from? LamJax played under Bobby Petrino’s pro system. And Petrino is one of the best offensive minds in college football. I’m not suggesting LamJax has an intel football chip in his head like Rosen. But I don’t think he’s this total football dolt either. Not suggesting this is your view, but this rings of the old stereotypes on black QBs - can’t play the position because they aren’t sophisticated enough...

This is bullshit. Jackson’s intelligence is a flag bc it’s true — guy is a dumbass. Has nothing to do with his color. You didn’t hear anything about this with Watson last year and it’s frequently referenced when comparing Watson/Jackson.

In comment 13855667 Jay on the Island said:

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A year from now the Giants will be able to let go of Eli in which they will save $17 million against the cap IIRC. They will have the luxury of having a franchise QB on a rookie deal for 3 years before the final option year which is still below market value. They can use those savings to extend Beckham, and Collins.

I've been beating the drum on this from Day #1.Unless the Giants truly feel there is not a franchise QB at their #2 pick (or they have strong feelings on Webb as our next QB),it's a no brainer. You transition from Eli to the pick,Eli's salary comes off the books(which is why those calling for the Giants to give OBJ a contract this season need to understand the economic parameters) opening cap space next season (and the assumption that the NFL adds another $10 million rise in 2019). We can then address OBJ (and Collins) with a QB that is cost controlled. All one needs to do is look at the Rams,Eagles to see the advantage in that!

of suffering through a 3-13 season and then having to rebuild the team without a marquis talent. I'd rather bring in a game changer than 4 or 5 "not too shabby" guys.

it doesn't make a ton of sense to me to trade down and surrender the opportunity to plug a blue chip playmaker into the system. These are the hardest talents to come by, and trading down to attempt an OL rebuild, for example, is a less optimal strategy imv.

If they're not going QB, then I'd go Barkley or Chubb if they carry the grade, and watch them make impact plays.

Of people are eager to trade away a possible generational player, to get more picks for lesser players

Don't get it

In comment 13855901 section125 said:

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In comment 13855841 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 13855825 section125 said: I’m not suggesting LamJax has an intel football chip in his head like Rosen. But I don’t think he’s this total football dolt either. Not suggesting this is your view, but this rings of the old stereotypes on black QBs - can’t play the position because they aren’t sophisticated enough... One thing I will not tolerate from anyone is insinuating I'm stereotyping a player. A player hoping to be a top 1st round QB draft choice is going to be scrutinized. Go read yesterday's conference with GBN. There is a reason that a kid with his athletic ability and gifts is not at the head of the QB draft discussion. What is it? He's inaccurate because of poor mechanics and apparently does not make the necessary reads at this time to be drafted high in the 1st round. Colin's cohort yesterday says he has not seen improvement in his reads from his freshman year. BTW, I feel the same way about Josh Allen if that assuages your fears, only difference is Allen is much more stoutly built and less likely to get hurt trying to make a play, but see how far size took Wentz..... I also don't think Darnold can make his reads quickly enough.

Which part of “not suggesting this is your view” doesn’t make sense?

I was asking where you got that information. So I did go to the draft discussion to read the comment by Colin’s colleague.

And for anyone here to suggest they know what a QB’s actual reads are from play to play is making things up. The truth is none of us know. Without seeing the All-22 we can’t even really begin to guess. And without talking to the coaching staff to know the play, the effort becomes even more impossible...

In comment 13855943 WillVAB said:

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This is bullshit. Jackson’s intelligence is a flag bc it’s true — guy is a dumbass. Has nothing to do with his color. You didn’t hear anything about this with Watson last year and it’s frequently referenced when comparing Watson/Jackson.

Why is he a dumbass?

In comment 13855967 joeinpa said:

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Of people are eager to trade away a possible generational player, to get more picks for lesser players Don't get it

Me either. There's approx six blue chips in this draft and then the talent falls off, just as in every draft.

All prospects are not created equally, talent is not linear.

In comment 13855943 WillVAB said:

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In comment 13855841 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 13855825 section125 said: Quote: No doubt that Jackson is a gifted athlete, but he is not an NFL QB. He is too far behind the in development. What works in college offense does not work in the NFL. At yesterday's conference with Colin from GBN it was said he does not have the mental part of the game down. Not that he isn't smart enough, but that he cannot make the necessary reads and related decisions and never improved in his 3 years at UL. There is no way the Giants draft a kid that cannot read defenses. Jerry Jones may be willing to roll the dice in the 2nd, but I just do not see him being ready in two years. I'm not sure how the RPO would work with most teams in the NFL, but I can see him running it somewhere, but not in New York. Where is this coming from? LamJax played under Bobby Petrino’s pro system. And Petrino is one of the best offensive minds in college football. I’m not suggesting LamJax has an intel football chip in his head like Rosen. But I don’t think he’s this total football dolt either. Not suggesting this is your view, but this rings of the old stereotypes on black QBs - can’t play the position because they aren’t sophisticated enough... This is bullshit. Jackson’s intelligence is a flag bc it’s true — guy is a dumbass. Has nothing to do with his color. You didn’t hear anything about this with Watson last year and it’s frequently referenced when comparing Watson/Jackson.

This is now several times that I've seen you call Lamar Jackson a "dumbass" or a stupid kid.

What is this based on?

In comment 13855996 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13855943 WillVAB said: Quote: This is bullshit. Jackson’s intelligence is a flag bc it’s true — guy is a dumbass. Has nothing to do with his color. You didn’t hear anything about this with Watson last year and it’s frequently referenced when comparing Watson/Jackson. Why is he a dumbass?

There’s a reason Vegas set odds at +1000 for Jackson to post the highest Wonderlic of the top QBs.

Or is Vegas racist too?

In comment 13855703 bw in dc said:

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In comment 13855693 arcarsenal said: Quote: I have a feeling Jackson really isn't on the Giants' radar - so it's probably just a pipe dream anyway . Something to ponder - Shurmur really liked Bridgewater while in Minny. Maybe he sees a better version of Bridgewater in LamJax...but more mobile in and out of the pocket and better arm...

Somebody commented on Sirius that every DC they encountered at the combine said of Jackson "I hope he doesn't end up in my Division".

When I heard it I had a dark thought that Snyder is going to see this kid as his second chance at the RG3-type player without Shanahan to screw up his master plan.

In comment 13855901 section125 said:

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In comment 13855841 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 13855825 section125 said: I’m not suggesting LamJax has an intel football chip in his head like Rosen. But I don’t think he’s this total football dolt either. Not suggesting this is your view, but this rings of the old stereotypes on black QBs - can’t play the position because they aren’t sophisticated enough... One thing I will not tolerate from anyone is insinuating I'm stereotyping a player. A player hoping to be a top 1st round QB draft choice is going to be scrutinized. Go read yesterday's conference with GBN. There is a reason that a kid with his athletic ability and gifts is not at the head of the QB draft discussion. What is it? He's inaccurate because of poor mechanics and apparently does not make the necessary reads at this time to be drafted high in the 1st round. Colin's cohort yesterday says he has not seen improvement in his reads from his freshman year. BTW, I feel the same way about Josh Allen if that assuages your fears, only difference is Allen is much more stoutly built and less likely to get hurt trying to make a play, but see how far size took Wentz..... I also don't think Darnold can make his reads quickly enough.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't take him @ 2. It would be a reach.

Any scenario where I'd have NYG taking Jackson would be either if he fell to our 2nd pick or if we had to move up into the tail end of the 1st to get him.

An we were left drooling over the players they had no shot at watching them come off one by one ahead of us. Then even in the two recent seasons where they drafted at the bottom of the top 10 they got stuck on the out side looking in on the real elite guys and were stuck having to settle. Now this team has a chance to select any player in the draft outside of 1 and a surprising number of fans want to give that away. To hell with that. Use the pick to draft the next Eli Manning or Michael Strahan and don't look back.

Vegas odds on a Wonderlic score? That's how we're judging Lamar Jackson's intelligence?

Good lord.

BTW, since you brought up Watson, you may want to know that he posted the lowest Wonderlic score of ANY QB in last year's draft.

Do you think any GM would penalize him for that now based on what he did when he played? I don't. He was fantastic and can clearly handle the pro game.

Many ways to build a winning team.

I absolutely favor staying at #2 and picking a QB to get Eli out door sooner, but its not like we couldn't use improved players and depth at OL, RB, LB and to some extent FS, CB and WR.

And the only way you improve across the board in any reasonable fashion is to stockpile picks and hope to draft well

Elite players play a role as well but not the only one.

In comment 13856022 arcarsenal said:

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Vegas odds on a Wonderlic score? That's how we're judging Lamar Jackson's intelligence? Good lord. BTW, since you brought up Watson, you may want to know that he posted the lowest Wonderlic score of ANY QB in last year's draft. Do you think any GM would penalize him for that now based on what he did when he played? I don't. He was fantastic and can clearly handle the pro game.

Good point.

In comment 13856008 WillVAB said:

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In comment 13855996 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 13855943 WillVAB said: Quote: This is bullshit. Jackson’s intelligence is a flag bc it’s true — guy is a dumbass. Has nothing to do with his color. You didn’t hear anything about this with Watson last year and it’s frequently referenced when comparing Watson/Jackson. Why is he a dumbass? There’s a reason Vegas set odds at +1000 for Jackson to post the highest Wonderlic of the top QBs. Or is Vegas racist too?

So we’ve been reduced to commenting on a person’s intellect based on Vegas odds?

Please tell me you’re better than this.

not too far, but doubt we would trade down twice.

I know a lot of people think the Ogletree trade would make us more likely to trade down to get back picks. I think it might actually indicate DG is going for a quick one year retooling vs. a 2-3 year rebuild; meaning that with his picks he will be going for quality vs. quantity.

People keep saying we're more than one year from being a contender. I don't think that's necessarily true. Most people thought the same of the eagles a year ago.

I'm generally too intimidated by the football expertise here to chime in on topics like this, but I'm feeling brave, today:

• I don't know if the quoted scenario below is realistic, but it's something to work with
  
• I plugged the quoted scenario below into a draft value chart. I don't know how meaningful these things are. The Giants give up 2,600 and receive 3,095 points.
  
• You could (potentially) fill many holes with 7 of the first 66 picks -- 5 of which are 21, 22, 33, 34, 35 -- and the Giants have many holes to fill. Where don't the Giants need help? TE?
  
• The risk-mitigation factor of amassing picks appeals to me; i.e., I like the idea of putting fewer eggs into each of a greater number of baskets
  
• The thought of the "blue chip" players passed over coming back to bite us in the butt for many years is mildly nauseating
  
• Regardless of where we pick, I hope the selections work out much better than the last few years
  
• I'm glad it's not my decision!
  

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#21 (Bills) #22 (Bills) #33 (Browns) #34 (Giants)* #35 (Browns) #55 (Bills) #66 (Giants)* #102 (Giants)* #139 (Giants)* #166 (Bills)*

Each one will have a different list I am sure. However, we can be assured that with one of their first rounders, Cleveland WILL take a QB. After that, anyone's guess.

I see three scenarios.

Scenario 1: Cleveland takes Barkley first. They then trade up with the Giants, giving up the #4 pick, a second rounder and a third to get to #2 to get the QB they want. Giants wait to see what Indy does. If Indy uses the pick on a non QB (Nelson or Chubb), the Giants could entice the Jets to move up ahead of Denver, who even if they get a vet QB, will likely be looking for a future QB. At #6 in this scenario, the Giants get a shot at Nelson or Chubb (whoever Indy did not take) , Fitzpatrick or even the last QB left of Allen, Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield.

Scenario #2: Cleveland takes a QB- likely Darnold. The Giants take Bradley.

Scenario #3: Cleveland takes a QB- likely Darnold. The Giants trade back to #5 to let Denver grab a QB- maybe get the #5 pick, a second rounder and a 2019 high pick. The Jets then trade with the Colts to grab a QB. Cleveland takes Bradley. The Giants then take one of Nelson, Fitzpatrick or Chubb.

In comment 13855631 Jay on the Island said:

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if the Giants already had a young franchise QB on the roster. Unless someone hands DG a crystal ball that shows that Webb is that guy it is too risky to pass on a QB at 2.

you,may be exactly right about that....

In comment 13855628 BigBlue1092 said:

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#21 (Bills) #22 (Bills) #33 (Browns) #34 (Giants)* #35 (Browns) #55 (Bills) #66 (Giants)* #102 (Giants)* #139 (Giants)* #166 (Bills)* + Bills OT Cordy Glenn & their first round pick next year

Using these picks as an example and looking at the last four drafts would you rather have pick #2 or all the rest?

2014
#2 OT - Greg Robinson
or
#21 FS – HaHa Clinton Dix
#22 QB – Johnny Manziel
#33 OG – Xavier Su’a-Filo
#35 OT – Joel Bitonio
#55 RB – Jeremy Hill
#166 DE – Jon Newsome

2015
#2 QB - Marcus Mariota
or
#21 OT- Cedric Ogbuehi
#22 OLB - Bud Dupree
#33 SS - Landon Collins
#35 DT – Mario Edwards, Jr.
#55 TE – Maxx Williams
#166 LS – Joe Cardona

2016
#2 QB - Carson Wentz
or
#21 WR – Will Fuller
#22 WR - Josh Doctson
#33 DE – Kevin Dodd
#35 TE – Hunter Henry
#55 WR – Tyler Boyd
#166 NT – DJ Reader

2017
#2 QB – Mitchell Trubisky
or
#21 LB – Jarrad Davis
#22 LB - Charles Harris
#33 CB – Kevin King
#35 DT – Malik McDowell
#55 WR – Tyler Boyd DT – Dalvin Tomlinson
#166 WR – Shelton Gibson

and remember to add Bills OT Cordy Glenn & their first round pick next year.

Have to say I would lean towards all the extra picks. Plenty of good talent in the second round for sure. Also remembering that we would be drafting mostly different position players in those spots and we have a good Starting QB for the next 2 years (IMO)

It makes sense to do this. Teams will pay a king's ransom for "their guy" if they think he is the future franchise QB, and even if they just have to move up a few spots to nab him. Having the #2 pick allows us to trade back twice and still have a fairly high pick, ppssibly even still top 10 or at least top 15.

The idea that Eli is in "steep decline" is an opinion pretty much only held by Giants fans who have been frustrated by watching the team lose the last 5 years. Most everyone else in the NFL believes Eli can still play at a high level and win a super bowl if he's just surrounded by the right team.

...that leaves them in position to still land a blue chip talent.

Cle takes a QB at #1, any QB for the purposes of this hypothetical it doesn't matter which one. They then trade up to #2 with us.

We then trade back from #4 to #6 with the Jets.

Done. And still land an elite player.

the football expertise around here is a lot like the football talent in this country: a couple of blue chippers, a bunch of quality, and a whole lot of UDFA who might play flag football if they bother to get off the couch.