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Browns trade 2 draft picks for Jarvis Landry

ryanmkeane : 3/9/2018 4:27 pm
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Browns also working on a new contract for their new WR Jarvis Landry, and a deal is expected to get done, per source.
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RE: Browns being the Browns  
jlukes : 3/9/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13856483 KWALL2 said:
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Terrible move.


The didn't give up any 1st or 2nd round picks.

Incredible trade for the Browns
I think the debate  
bceagle05 : 3/9/2018 5:02 pm : link
would have more to do with Barkley than it does the QBs. If he's just THAT much better than the other prospects (in their opinion), they know they have #4 in their back pockets.
RE: I don't get why  
mrvax : 3/9/2018 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13856471 ryanmkeane said:
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the Browns wouldn't go QB at #1 after making these moves. They run the risk of losing out on their guy which would make these moves seem silly


I agree. It would be foolish to pass on the #1QB. They have done it before and you'd think they have learned a lesson.
A good back can be had at 33.
RE: RE: I don't get why  
RobCarpenter : 3/9/2018 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13856497 mrvax said:
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In comment 13856471 ryanmkeane said:


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the Browns wouldn't go QB at #1 after making these moves. They run the risk of losing out on their guy which would make these moves seem silly



I agree. It would be foolish to pass on the #1QB. They have done it before and you'd think they have learned a lesson.
A good back can be had at 33.


Agreed. Assuming the QB you want will be there at #4 is risky.
The Browns simply CANNOT pass on a QB at #1  
Stan in LA : 3/9/2018 5:08 pm : link
Like they done in the past, especially if the 2 QB's selected ahead of them at #4 both turn out to be stars. The town would crucify them. They need to trade up to #2 to play it safe.
RE: RE: RE: Landry,  
allstarjim : 3/9/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13856454 Beer Man said:
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In comment 13856439 ryanmkeane said:


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Gordon, with Corey Coleman as a #3 option is a hell of a lot of talent at WR. With a QB on the way



Now they have to hit on a qb. Whether itís Mcarrens or a prospect (or both).

My Browns fans friends keep telling me the team is still high on Kizer.


They probably read that, and that is what the Browns absolutely should say publicly. Privately though, I highly doubt it. He didn't really improve over the course of the season, he threw 22 INTs, 12 in the first 8 games and 10 in the last 8 games, and he went 0-15 as a starter. 52.8% passer in the first 8 games, 54.4% in the last 8 games. Just 52.4% in his last 3 games.

You can't count on a player that performed pretty bad all year, over 15 games, winning zero, to all of a sudden turn it around. They are going to draft a QB, AND probably bring in a veteran.
If the Browns  
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2018 5:10 pm : link
had zero playmakers, and the QB class was just "eh" then you could say alright, let's take Barkley and then even pass again on a QB at 4, take Fitzpatrick or the best available defensive player.

But the Browns have skill guys. Their OL is solid. Draft a QB at 1.
If the Browns go Barkley with the first  
Beer Man : 3/9/2018 5:13 pm : link
I think the Giants will seriously consider trading back. In all likelihood the Browns will then be looking QB with the #4, and I'm sure there will be a number of suitors wanting to jump the Browns to get their guy at QB; not to mention the Browns may offer a trade to the Giants to prevent it.
RE: why does McCarron's name keep popping up here  
allstarjim : 3/9/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13856463 SHO'NUFF said:
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like he's a hot commodity? What has he done?


Nothing but there have been previous reports that the Browns covet him.
Do Browns Draft....  
sober297 : 3/9/2018 5:15 pm : link
Barkley at 1, Baker Mayfield at 4?
If they sign McCarron  
Reb8thVA : 3/9/2018 5:17 pm : link
That tells me they are going Barkley at #1 and I will bet Fitzpatrick at 4.
Cousins  
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2018 5:19 pm : link
is a midwest guy. I'm not sure if Cleveland was still on his list, but this move could potentially bring them back in the picture.
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ryanmkeane : 3/9/2018 5:20 pm : link
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Also  
Breeze_94 : 3/9/2018 5:20 pm : link
I'm not a huge fan of Jarvis Landry. He's a good slot receiver, but the guy doesn't even average 9 yards per catch and poses no vertical threat at all.

I guess he's decent for moving the chains, but he is not going to be worth his huge contract. You can find decent slot receivers anywhere.
I think they're most likely taking a QB at #1  
bceagle05 : 3/9/2018 5:20 pm : link
but if they don't see a sure thing among those top four QBs, how do you not seriously consider a Barkley/QB combo at 1/4? There are QB-needy teams like the Jets, Dolphins, Bills, etc. who would be thrilled to have the fourth pick in this draft.
RE: RE: Browns being the Browns  
Toth029 : 3/9/2018 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13856492 ryanmkeane said:
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Terrible move.


How is this a terrible move if the picks aren't that high? Landry is a great playmaker.


He wants a lot of money and isn't near a top WR.
First of all, the Browns can't trust...  
bw in dc : 3/9/2018 5:28 pm : link
Gordon. You have to assume he's minutes away from making another poor decision and lighting up. So Landry, who is a quality NFL WR, is a quality add.

If Gordon can stay off the weed, and he and Landry are assumed healthy, then this is quite a tandem. A great home-run threat and a move the chain guy...

This move screams of adding McCarren. HueJax loves the guy. Barkley is a sexy pick - I think it's a waste - and it will energize their fan base...So you can sort of see what they are trying to do at Browns Central...
How is Landry not near a top WR  
pjcas18 : 3/9/2018 5:30 pm : link
sure he's a slot WR so the ypc stats are gaudy, but he has the most receptions in a players first 4 seasons of their career in NFL history.

that means ever.

He's not afraid to go over the middle and move the chains, he might be the best slot receiver in the NFL not in New England.

RE: How is Landry not near a top WR  
bw in dc : 3/9/2018 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13856526 pjcas18 said:
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He's not afraid to go over the middle and move the chains, he might be the best slot receiver in the NFL not in New England.


I think that's pretty spot on. The guy has 100 catches in his first four years, and most of them are of the "dirty work" variety...
RE: RE: RE: Landry,  
FStubbs : 3/9/2018 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13856454 Beer Man said:
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In comment 13856439 ryanmkeane said:


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Gordon, with Corey Coleman as a #3 option is a hell of a lot of talent at WR. With a QB on the way



Now they have to hit on a qb. Whether itís Mcarrens or a prospect (or both).

My Browns fans friends keep telling me the team is still high on Kizer.


Being high on Kizer (rotfl) doesn't preclude them from drafting Cousins and letting Kizer develop.
*signing Cousins.  
FStubbs : 3/9/2018 5:36 pm : link
Oops.
RE: Also  
bw in dc : 3/9/2018 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13856520 Breeze_94 said:
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I guess he's decent for moving the chains, but he is not going to be worth his huge contract. You can find decent slot receivers anywhere.


Slot receivers are not a dime a dozen. That is a real skill to have the balls to keep going over the middle, find space, make important drive changing catches, and take a pounding. Outside receivers are more the dime a dozen variety...
RE: If they sign McCarron  
sober297 : 3/9/2018 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13856515 Reb8thVA said:
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That tells me they are going Barkley at #1 and I will bet Fitzpatrick at 4.

OK make even more sense.
RE: RE: If they sign McCarron  
tyrik13 : 3/9/2018 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13856546 sober297 said:
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In comment 13856515 Reb8thVA said:


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That tells me they are going Barkley at #1 and I will bet Fitzpatrick at 4.

Unless they sign Honey Badger


OK make even more sense.
RE: I don't get why  
Eman11 : 3/9/2018 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13856471 ryanmkeane said:
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the Browns wouldn't go QB at #1 after making these moves. They run the risk of losing out on their guy which would make these moves seem silly


That's my thinking too. They have to get their highest rated QB at 1 IMO, and then if they stay at 4, the best available player there.

I see Taylor as a bridge til the rookie is ready, while Landry helps their O to be competitive right now.
Chris  
KWALL2 : 3/9/2018 6:20 pm : link
I donít need to know anything about the picks.

They traded something so they can severely overlay for an overrated player.

He wants huge money. Not worth it. Not close.

Miami got the better deal here. Getting anything is a win because they donít have to pay Landry.
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arcarsenal : 3/9/2018 6:26 pm : link
Landry is tremendously productive. He's not a guy you line up outside and send on fly routes but it doesn't matter - not every WR needs to be that. Landry is a tough dude and a chain mover.

I like this for CLE - he and Gordon will be an excellent tandem if Gordon can stay clean and keep his head on straight.
He's a good posession reciever.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 6:43 pm : link
Number of catches isn't really the best way to determine the ability of a player. The Dolphins throw a lot of short passes and he's their best WR. He's not a #1 receiver on a high-level team.
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arcarsenal : 3/9/2018 6:50 pm : link
We can label him any way we want - production is production.

He's very good.

Not a do-it-all, elite #1, but he's one of the best slot guys in the game.

They already have a #1 anyway in Gordon if he can stay clean + Corey Coleman. That's a very, very good WR corps. Landry won't have to do it all himself there.

Whether they wind up with a QB good enough to get them the ball is a different story.... Kizer was awful and Taylor is just a stopgap.
A 4th,  
old man : 3/9/2018 7:06 pm : link
Then a 7 in '19?
A $$$ dump, OK; but for a cup of coffee, then a donut next year?

The Browns fleeced Miami  
Big Rick in FL : 3/9/2018 7:36 pm : link
Good lord. Landry is either a top 10 WR or just outside. They got him for nothing.

Cleveland fans deserve a good team. Take Barkley at 1. Draft one of Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield at 4 and they have a pretty good young team.

Rookie QB/Tyrod
Barkley
Duke Johnson
Gordon
Landry
Coleman
Sammie Coates
Rashard Higgins
Njoku
Seth DeValve
Joe Thomas
Joel Bitonio
Zeitler

That's a lot of talent on offense.
Dolphins practically gave him away...  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 7:48 pm : link
I wonder why.
Landry  
Dragon : 3/9/2018 7:56 pm : link
Could end up being the best slot receiver in the history of the NFL but he could also discover that not being the number one option on every passing play takes away from his game. In Miami he was the focal poInt of the offense the Browns are not building an offense like that where a slot guy catches 8-12, passes each game.

I also donít understand making this trade before you had the contract done he wants hugh money when his position does not warrant it. Yes the Browns have plenty of CAP space but taking on problem children can be taxing. Have to say slot guys are a dime a dozen and his real value in game specialty requires the ball way to often.

Phins got robbed on the trade value return because they franchised him very bad move letís hope itís a lesson learned about young guys overvaluing themselves and team making a poorly planned move. Not sure what the offer was for him at the trade deadline but they surly could have gotten a third round pick and not gone thru all this difficult drama. Hate to say it but Iím glad he has been traded he just was such a vocal point of the the offense it stymied net results.
RE: Dolphins practically gave him away...  
pjcas18 : 3/9/2018 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13856828 GFAN52 said:
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I wonder why.


he was on the FT. Either they tag him and pay $15M for one year, come to a LT agreement, trade him, or rescind the tag making him a UFA.

Similar IMO to the Panthers with Josh Norman, but IMO Gettleman F-ed that up.

Probably couldn't reach a LT agreement so said F-this why pay him $15M for one year when they could use that money to add 2 or 3 players in FA. so they got what they could.
I donít get ďproduction is productionĒ  
KWALL2 : 3/9/2018 8:24 pm : link
Is part of that prodcutiion the 6 yards per target he pulled in?

And now you have to pay that guy 14+ million/year? And give up picks to do it.

Rumor last week was he was going to Bears. Bears made the much better move. Pass on Landry and sign a better player in Albert Wilson got half the price.

Wilson > Landry over the next 4 years.
Landry's YPC prety much = Edelmans YPC  
pjcas18 : 3/9/2018 8:37 pm : link
over their career, slot receivers usage in the NFL in many offenses is in the pass as a run play if you know what I mean.

Landry was 7th in the NFL receiving in 1st downs in 2017

and he was tied for 4th in receiving TD's.

he's better than Albert Wilson.
RE: I donít get ďproduction is productionĒ  
arcarsenal : 3/9/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13856899 KWALL2 said:
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Is part of that prodcutiion the 6 yards per target he pulled in?

And now you have to pay that guy 14+ million/year? And give up picks to do it.

Rumor last week was he was going to Bears. Bears made the much better move. Pass on Landry and sign a better player in Albert Wilson got half the price.

Wilson > Landry over the next 4 years.


In 2016, Landry averaged over 12 YPR - that's not poor at all.

He caught 112 balls and scored 9 times this year. That's outstanding production for a WR no matter how you slice it.

Who cares how many yards he averaged per catch? Travis Benjamin and Tyrell Williams are both near the top of that list and neither guy is even close to the best WR on their own team - Allen is better than both.
He's a good player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 8:45 pm : link
But I see no reason why you can't find a guy with his ability in the mid to late 1st round or second. His catch numbers are misleading. Look at his targets relative to his production.

166 targets
131 targets
161 targets

It's crazy.
RE: He's a good player  
arcarsenal : 3/9/2018 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13856931 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But I see no reason why you can't find a guy with his ability in the mid to late 1st round or second. His catch numbers are misleading. Look at his targets relative to his production.

166 targets
131 targets
161 targets

It's crazy.


So what? Larry Fitzgerald sees target shares like that too. He's a lock for the HoF.

You still have to get open and catch the ball.

I didn't say Landry was Julio Jones, Beckham or Brown - but he's an excellent player who isn't afraid to go across the middle and move the chains.

We all loved Steve Smith when he was doing what Landry is doing.
I remember  
crick n NC : 3/9/2018 10:36 pm : link
When Joe made the same argument against Steve Smith that Kwall and TTH are making against Landry.

The "throw enough passes to a target and you will get production" argument.
RE: He's a good player  
bw in dc : 3/9/2018 10:49 pm : link
In comment 13856931 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But I see no reason why you can't find a guy with his ability in the mid to late 1st round or second. His catch numbers are misleading. Look at his targets relative to his production.

166 targets
131 targets
161 targets

It's crazy.


Let's be clear here - Marino isn't throwing to Landry. It's been Tannehill, Matt Moore and Cutler. I don't know what equals a quality target throw but my guess is that trio isn't making the best throws.

And to suggest it's fairly easy to find players to run routes inside the numbers is just a bizarre notion. Run an eight yard curl in space between the safety and LB and be prepared to be ear-holed. It's so much easier to find receivers to play outside than inside these days...
Who are these WRs who are afraid to go over the middle?  
KWALL2 : 3/9/2018 11:04 pm : link
Nobody gets hit any more.

Landry is not Steve Smith. The talent difference is enormous. Smith dominated anybody and everybody. Landry can't beat a guy like Smith or any of the top WRs.

But he wants to get paid like one.

I'll take Albert Wilson over Landry for the same money. But it won't be. Landry wants elite cash. It's a terrible move to give big cash to Landry.

Of course, its the Browns doing it. Dolphins shopped him and only the Browns make an offer of a 4th and a 7th?

Browns had a great opportunity with all of the picks and cash to change the franchise fast. Overpaying for this guy is not a step in the right direction.
So  
crick n NC : 3/9/2018 11:07 pm : link
You would call Steve Smith a dominate receiver?
To be clear  
crick n NC : 3/9/2018 11:08 pm : link
I'll talking about the Giants Steve Smith
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arcarsenal : 3/9/2018 11:10 pm : link
I hope you're talking about Steve Smith Sr... because the guy who played here absolutely did not "dominate anyone and everyone" - that would be WILDLY overrating a very good slot WR who had zero RAC ability.

No one is afraid to get hit anymore? Did you watch Brandon Marshall before his season ended?
.  
arcarsenal : 3/9/2018 11:12 pm : link
For what it's worth, I wouldn't pay Jarvis Landry what Mike Evans just got. Evans is better.

But now we're getting to a point where we're talking about Jarvis Landry like he's some JAG which is ridiculous.
Landry  
Marty866b : 3/9/2018 11:41 pm : link
I live in South Florida so i get to see every Dolphin game and I can tell you the Landry is one hell of a player. Great route runner, tough as nails,good blocker and real good with the ball in his hands.
RE: Who are these WRs who are afraid to go over the middle?  
bw in dc : 3/10/2018 2:05 am : link
In comment 13857129 KWALL2 said:
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Nobody gets hit any more.

Browns had a great opportunity with all of the picks and cash to change the franchise fast. Overpaying for this guy is not a step in the right direction.


Youíre right. I didnít see guys like Brandon Cooks, Marquise Goodwin, Devonta Adams, Chris Hogan, Corey Coleman get crushed this year running between the numbers.

Hereís what the Browns paid for - a proven security blanket that will catch tough balls to move the chains. If they overpaid, BFD. Itís a QBís best friend, and they all need one...
RE: Landry  
bw in dc : 3/10/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13857189 Marty866b said:
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I live in South Florida so i get to see every Dolphin game and I can tell you the Landry is one hell of a player. Great route runner, tough as nails,good blocker and real good with the ball in his hands.


And have this production with some very undistinguished QB play...
bw  
KWALL2 : 3/10/2018 12:49 pm : link
Those guys got "crushed"? Sure they did. You talking about Cooks in the SB after the catch? That was all on him for running with his head up his ass. And Hogan? When he hurt his arm it was a routine tackle.

You can find a few examples? OK. But the game is much different. intimidation of WRs over the middle? That's gone. Nobody is scared to go over the middle.

We'll see how it plays out. I'd bet against Landry doing anything close to justifying the price CLE is paying. He'll see a huge cut in targets as he'll be a 4th option on that offense.

And my guy Albert Wilson? He'll be the breakout player. He'll be the guy people talk about as one of the best acquisitions while Landry is mentioned as one of the worst and cut after 2 years.
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