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Tyrod Taylor traded to Browns

BigBlue1092 : 3/9/2018 6:02 pm
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RE: RE: If I'm the Browns  
AcesUp : 3/9/2018 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13856598 Thegratefulhead said:
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I trade down from 4 and grab Lamar Jackson. They would have their developmental guy and the depth at QB to do some really interesting things on offense with a mobile QB.

If they hadn't done that last time and look stupid because of it, I might agree. Kizer similar to Jackson.


Because they also have Kizer, it's precisely why that thought crossed my mind. You would need to go 3 deep at QB if you start gameplanning to run your QB consistently. I highly doubt that's their plan but it would be an incredibly interesting experiment, especially when you factor in the surprising amount of talent on that offense.
RE: All that cap space  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13856607 illmatic said:
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and the best they can do is Taylor? I get that he's a stop gap but still. There must be better competitive options in the meantime. Or, you know, for a franchise that has sucked at QB forever, they can just spend and get the sure thing in Cousins.


Unless Cousins doesn't want to go there.
The only thing that seems evident in this draft is expectations will  
wgenesis123 : 3/9/2018 6:28 pm : link
keep changing between now and draft day.
This is just a stopgap move  
Jay on the Island : 3/9/2018 6:29 pm : link
They will still take a QB in the first round but now they might wait until the 4th pick. This could be great news for the Giants but bad news for Barkley fans.
RE: This is just a stopgap move  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13856613 Jay on the Island said:
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They will still take a QB in the first round but now they might wait until the 4th pick. This could be great news for the Giants but bad news for Barkley fans.


Why would they wait until the 4th pick and run the risk of missing out on their highest graded QB?
RE: All that cap space  
Thegratefulhead : 3/9/2018 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13856607 illmatic said:
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and the best they can do is Taylor? I get that he's a stop gap but still. There must be better competitive options in the meantime. Or, you know, for a franchise that has sucked at QB forever, they can just spend and get the sure thing in Cousins.
You pick your best QB prospect at 1 and there will be no hoopla surrounding the decision. Don't give Cousins a Garrapolo deal when the team that knows him best would not. Get and excellent, financially controlled QB and win like Seattle has. I think what they are is looking very very good and not signing Cousins to a megadeal is the best part of it. They are going to have room and get some really good buys if they are patient.
They're taking Saquon  
Toastt34 : 3/9/2018 6:32 pm : link
first.
RE: RE: RE: If I'm the Browns  
Thegratefulhead : 3/9/2018 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13856610 AcesUp said:
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I trade down from 4 and grab Lamar Jackson. They would have their developmental guy and the depth at QB to do some really interesting things on offense with a mobile QB.

If they hadn't done that last time and look stupid because of it, I might agree. Kizer similar to Jackson.



Because they also have Kizer, it's precisely why that thought crossed my mind. You would need to go 3 deep at QB if you start gameplanning to run your QB consistently. I highly doubt that's their plan but it would be an incredibly interesting experiment, especially when you factor in the surprising amount of talent on that offense.
Agree with you there, if they live by that kind of QB they better have at least 2.
Think this means they’re taking Barkley at 1  
jeff57 : 3/9/2018 6:33 pm : link
And staying at 4 where they’ll take a QB.
This tells us nothing as to whether  
DonnieD89 : 3/9/2018 6:34 pm : link
Cleveland selects their QB at 1 or 4. It only tells us that Taylor is short-term and they're going to take a quarterback. They still need to get this pick right. Cleveland is still trying to select their that QB that is going to be the face of the franchise for the next 10 years. They can't screw this up. Remember. They have 3 second round draft picks that they can also use for on arunning back. By no means does this is a guarantee that Barkley goes #1.
RE: This tells us nothing as to whether  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13856620 DonnieD89 said:
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Cleveland selects their QB at 1 or 4. It only tells us that Taylor is short-term and they're going to take a quarterback. They still need to get this pick right. Cleveland is still trying to select their that QB that is going to be the face of the franchise for the next 10 years. They can't screw this up. Remember. They have 3 second round draft picks that they can also use for on arunning back. By no means does this is a guarantee that Barkley goes #1.


Exactly. I don't see any way they aren't drafting at QB at 1 which I believe is Darnold.
RE: Think this means they’re taking Barkley at 1  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13856619 jeff57 said:
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And staying at 4 where they’ll take a QB.


Why 4? They would risk missing out on their highest rated QB.
RE: RE: Think this means they’re taking Barkley at 1  
Toastt34 : 3/9/2018 6:39 pm : link
In comment 13856624 GFAN52 said:
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And staying at 4 where they’ll take a QB.



Why 4? They would risk missing out on their highest rated QB.

Think they would rather not miss out on their highest rated player in the draft which looks like Barkley.
The only thing I take from this is that Kizer shouldn't be making  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 6:40 pm : link
long-term plans.

Wish I knew why people were so motivated to assume a meaning for every transaction.
RE: RE: RE: Think this means they’re taking Barkley at 1  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13856625 Toastt34 said:
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And staying at 4 where they’ll take a QB.



Why 4? They would risk missing out on their highest rated QB.


Think they would rather not miss out on their highest rated player in the draft which looks like Barkley.


They've been searching for a QB for ever and traded away their chances at Wentz and Watson. Whoever they rate the highest at QB has to be their 1st pick priority.
there goes  
UESBLUE : 3/9/2018 6:43 pm : link
Barkley...
Not sure how this means Barkley is going #1.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/9/2018 6:45 pm : link
Unless you consider Taylor a franchise QB, which I don't.
I think they  
TommyWiseau : 3/9/2018 6:45 pm : link
Plan to go Allen, whether at 1 or 4 I am not sure. Have Allen sit and Taylor play until he is ready
RE: Not sure how this means Barkley is going #1.  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13856635 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Unless you consider Taylor a franchise QB, which I don't.


I agree.
Kizer traded  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 6:48 pm : link
@RapSheet
Source: The #Packers have traded for QB DeShone Kizer. From the #Browns to Green Bay.
RE: Not sure how this means Barkley is going #1.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13856635 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Unless you consider Taylor a franchise QB, which I don't.


Where Taylor sits on the "franchise QB" scale isn't as important as how much the Browns like Barkley more than a QB they think will get to 4.
RE: The only thing I take from this is that Kizer shouldn't be making  
DonnieD89 : 3/9/2018 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13856628 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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long-term plans.

Wish I knew why people were so motivated to assume a meaning for every transaction.


1+
RE: Kizer traded  
BleedBlue : 3/9/2018 6:51 pm : link
In comment 13856643 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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@RapSheet
Source: The #Packers have traded for QB DeShone Kizer. From the #Browns to Green Bay.



browns will def take a QB...at 1 or 4 is the question...personally id want my pick and take Darnold or allen at 1 and then help the defense at 4 since we have done plenty to help the offense this offseason....
RE: Kizer traded  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13856643 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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@RapSheet
Source: The #Packers have traded for QB DeShone Kizer. From the #Browns to Green Bay.


They are going with a QB at 1.
RE: RE: Kizer traded  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 13856649 BleedBlue said:
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@RapSheet
Source: The #Packers have traded for QB DeShone Kizer. From the #Browns to Green Bay.




browns will def take a QB...at 1 or 4 is the question...personally id want my pick and take Darnold or allen at 1 and then help the defense at 4 since we have done plenty to help the offense this offseason....


They're going with Darnold in my view.
RE: Regardless of what Cleveland does  
DonnieD89 : 3/9/2018 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13856574 Breeze_94 said:
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The Giants will either have a shot at their QB1(likely Darnold) or the BPA in the entire draft (Barkley or Chubb)

Yet some are insistent on trading down...


Exactly. Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson (in a trade down). No matter what. The Giants or sitting pretty.
RE: RE: Regardless of what Cleveland does  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13856657 DonnieD89 said:
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The Giants will either have a shot at their QB1(likely Darnold) or the BPA in the entire draft (Barkley or Chubb)

Yet some are insistent on trading down...



Exactly. Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson (in a trade down). No matter what. The Giants or sitting pretty.


Giants are going to get the best player in the draft Barkley or Rosen in my view.
RE: RE: Buffalo now gets involved  
Boy Cord : 3/9/2018 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13856575 Breeze_94 said:
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In trading up to get a QB. Buffalo has two 1s and two 2s and two 3s



I would need every single one of those picks and next years first.


It’s going to take something damn close to that to move that far back. I would love all the picks. Draft weekend will be so freaking fun.
Why does everyone assume there  
LS : 3/9/2018 6:57 pm : link
is only one QB the Browns would be happy with. If they take Barkley at 1, that means they at worst they get their second QB choice (don't see the Colts going QB) at 4. If there is only one top QB in this draft, and the Browns go QB at 1 then according to all the people who wanted a QB here have to think we are screwed at 2. And no one knows who will actually end up being the best QB in this draft anyway. And remember, this is the Browns. If they knew who the "right picks" were, they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.
RE: If I'm the Browns  
Boy Cord : 3/9/2018 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13856595 AcesUp said:
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I trade down from 4 and grab Lamar Jackson. They would have their developmental guy and the depth at QB to do some really interesting things on offense with a mobile QB.


Jackson blows.
RE: Why does everyone assume there  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13856666 LS said:
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is only one QB the Browns would be happy with. If they take Barkley at 1, that means they at worst they get their second QB choice (don't see the Colts going QB) at 4. If there is only one top QB in this draft, and the Browns go QB at 1 then according to all the people who wanted a QB here have to think we are screwed at 2. And no one knows who will actually end up being the best QB in this draft anyway. And remember, this is the Browns. If they knew who the "right picks" were, they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.


Too much risk if the Colts trade that pick, then the Browns get the third QB. They'll get their franchise QB at 1.
Moving down to 21 is out of the question to me.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 6:59 pm : link
Let's not act like this team doesn't need stars. I'd rather take Nelson than trade down to the 20s. That's dumb.
RE: Moving down to 21 is out of the question to me.  
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2018 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13856670 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Let's not act like this team doesn't need stars. I'd rather take Nelson than trade down to the 20s. That's dumb.

I tend to agree...but if the following offer came to Gettleman I'm not sure he'd pass:

21, 22, 53, 65, 1st 2019
Keep in mind  
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2018 7:03 pm : link
that Buffalo probably will not be that good of a team this year with a rookie QB. That 1st round pick in 2019 from them could be in the top 10.
Trading Kizer  
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2018 7:04 pm : link
and getting Taylor actually I think means that Browns will go QB at #1 even more so now than before.
RE: RE: Moving down to 21 is out of the question to me.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 7:07 pm : link
In comment 13856671 ryanmkeane said:
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Let's not act like this team doesn't need stars. I'd rather take Nelson than trade down to the 20s. That's dumb.


I tend to agree...but if the following offer came to Gettleman I'm not sure he'd pass:

21, 22, 53, 65, 1st 2019


I bet he wouldn't, but if people are convinced that the Giants (stupidly) want to pretend they have a 2-year window, and won't draft a QB, filling the roster with rookies is an unprecedented way to "win now".
Kizer  
Dragon : 3/9/2018 7:08 pm : link
Or Taylor not sure they needed to make this move he is not a QB to teach the young guy they will draft so is this just to eat up some CAP space? Or is the belief that we can win now while still building for the future just imagine he does make them winners what do you do then with him? Kizer now traded to GB he must have really done something terrible to get the no talent stamp after his rookie first year starting.
RE: RE: Why does everyone assume there  
DonnieD89 : 3/9/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13856669 GFAN52 said:
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is only one QB the Browns would be happy with. If they take Barkley at 1, that means they at worst they get their second QB choice (don't see the Colts going QB) at 4. If there is only one top QB in this draft, and the Browns go QB at 1 then according to all the people who wanted a QB here have to think we are screwed at 2. And no one knows who will actually end up being the best QB in this draft anyway. And remember, this is the Browns. If they knew who the "right picks" were, they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.



Too much risk if the Colts trade that pick, then the Browns get the third QB. They'll get their franchise QB at 1.


They need to like 3 QBs equally to afford this scenario. It's possible, but risky.
RE: RE: RE: Moving down to 21 is out of the question to me.  
PatersonPlank : 3/9/2018 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13856685 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Let's not act like this team doesn't need stars. I'd rather take Nelson than trade down to the 20s. That's dumb.


I tend to agree...but if the following offer came to Gettleman I'm not sure he'd pass:

21, 22, 53, 65, 1st 2019



I bet he wouldn't, but if people are convinced that the Giants (stupidly) want to pretend they have a 2-year window, and won't draft a QB, filling the roster with rookies is an unprecedented way to "win now".


I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. However I don't think they'd give the 2019 #1, I think they'd negotiate a player or maybe a 2nd in 2019. I think I'd still do that too. We'd get 4 premium picks, and likely starters, for this season
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GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13856692 DonnieD89 said:
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is only one QB the Browns would be happy with. If they take Barkley at 1, that means they at worst they get their second QB choice (don't see the Colts going QB) at 4. If there is only one top QB in this draft, and the Browns go QB at 1 then according to all the people who wanted a QB here have to think we are screwed at 2. And no one knows who will actually end up being the best QB in this draft anyway. And remember, this is the Browns. If they knew who the "right picks" were, they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.



Too much risk if the Colts trade that pick, then the Browns get the third QB. They'll get their franchise QB at 1.



They need to like 3 QBs equally to afford this scenario. It's possible, but risky.


Dorsey is too smart to take that big of a risk. He's be second guessed forever if either of the 2 QBs picked before become stars.
Tyrod Taylor traded to Browns  
Torrag : 3/9/2018 7:11 pm : link
Kizer isn't the type you'd want arond when you're about to draft his replacement.

Taylor will usher in the new era until whichever QB they draft takes the reins.
RE: Why does everyone assume there  
TrueBlue56 : 3/9/2018 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13856666 LS said:
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is only one QB the Browns would be happy with. If they take Barkley at 1, that means they at worst they get their second QB choice (don't see the Colts going QB) at 4. If there is only one top QB in this draft, and the Browns go QB at 1 then according to all the people who wanted a QB here have to think we are screwed at 2. And no one knows who will actually end up being the best QB in this draft anyway. And remember, this is the Browns. If they knew who the "right picks" were, they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.


Why do you assume the Colts won't trade their pick? I can absolutely see the Broncos or jets seeing the quarterback they want available at 3 and they will know the browns will take a qb at 4 (If they don't take one at 1) and will move heaven and earth to get their guy.
RE: RE: Why does everyone assume there  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13856714 TrueBlue56 said:
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is only one QB the Browns would be happy with. If they take Barkley at 1, that means they at worst they get their second QB choice (don't see the Colts going QB) at 4. If there is only one top QB in this draft, and the Browns go QB at 1 then according to all the people who wanted a QB here have to think we are screwed at 2. And no one knows who will actually end up being the best QB in this draft anyway. And remember, this is the Browns. If they knew who the "right picks" were, they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.



Why do you assume the Colts won't trade their pick? I can absolutely see the Broncos or jets seeing the quarterback they want available at 3 and they will know the browns will take a qb at 4 (If they don't take one at 1) and will move heaven and earth to get their guy.


+1. I'd say it's almost given they go QB with their 1st pick. I'm sticking with Darnold as their choice.
I  
AcidTest : 3/9/2018 7:26 pm : link
agree the Browns are now likely to take a QB at #1. Taylor is a bridge. They won't chance that the QB they really like will still be available at #4. Darnold is probably that guy, but as someone said, the NFL likes big, and that is certainly Allen.

I wouldn't trade with Buffalo. I wouldn't hate it, but don't want to do so. The drop is too far. I also don't think Buffalo would pay the astronomical price in draft picks required to jump from #21 to #2. That seems like draftniks with not enough to do.
RE: I  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13856756 AcidTest said:
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agree the Browns are now likely to take a QB at #1. Taylor is a bridge. They won't chance that the QB they really like will still be available at #4. Darnold is probably that guy, but as someone said, the NFL likes big, and that is certainly Allen.

I wouldn't trade with Buffalo. I wouldn't hate it, but don't want to do so. The drop is too far. I also don't think Buffalo would pay the astronomical price in draft picks required to jump from #21 to #2. That seems like draftniks with not enough to do.


It'll be Barkley or Rosen sitting there at #2 for the Giants to decide.
Has any team ever traded up like that?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 7:31 pm : link
The value chart thing is stupid, but if you go by that, it's essentially an entire draft worth of picks if not more.
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AcidTest : 3/9/2018 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13856769 GFAN52 said:
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agree the Browns are now likely to take a QB at #1. Taylor is a bridge. They won't chance that the QB they really like will still be available at #4. Darnold is probably that guy, but as someone said, the NFL likes big, and that is certainly Allen.

I wouldn't trade with Buffalo. I wouldn't hate it, but don't want to do so. The drop is too far. I also don't think Buffalo would pay the astronomical price in draft picks required to jump from #21 to #2. That seems like draftniks with not enough to do.



It'll be Barkley or Rosen sitting there at #2 for the Giants to decide.


I would take Barkley unless there is a really fantastic trade offer, which might happen because Rosen will still be available. Rosen is the best player in the draft, but his injury history is probably preclusive.
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santacruzom : 3/9/2018 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13856621 GFAN52 said:
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Cleveland selects their QB at 1 or 4. It only tells us that Taylor is short-term and they're going to take a quarterback. They still need to get this pick right. Cleveland is still trying to select their that QB that is going to be the face of the franchise for the next 10 years. They can't screw this up. Remember. They have 3 second round draft picks that they can also use for on arunning back. By no means does this is a guarantee that Barkley goes #1.



Exactly. I don't see any way they aren't drafting at QB at 1 which I believe is Darnold.


I just don't see any indication that Darnold is the #1 player on the Browns' board -- or any team's board for that matter.
I think the Browns  
Rflairr : 3/9/2018 8:50 pm : link
Are going to take Barkely. I’m just surprised they traded for Taylor instead of waiting to see about McCaron.

I think the Jets end up with AJ McCarron now
Pick 65 was too much for Taylor  
jeff57 : 3/10/2018 6:06 am : link
Bills wanted to get rid of him, he’s a FA after next season and he’s not that good.
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