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If Browns go QB at 1, who do the Giants select Barkley or QB

GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 7:03 pm
Tough decision. But I think they select Barkley and pass on Rosen (I think the Browns go with Darnold).
If Gettleman is as good at keeping his intentions quiet  
Ira : 3/9/2018 7:05 pm : link
as he seems to be, we won't know until they make the pick.
I'd take  
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2018 7:05 pm : link
Barkley. Generational talent at RB and continue to develop Webb behind Eli for 1-2 seasons.
Barkley.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/9/2018 7:05 pm : link
If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly. I'd personally like to trade back, get some extra picks, and snag Nelson. He's going to be a beast. He's better than Martin.
Swap for clev for 4  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/9/2018 7:05 pm : link
Grab a 3rd round pick (if that makes sense)

and take nelson there
RE: Swap for clev for 4  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 7:07 pm : link
In comment 13856681 Joey from GlenCove said:
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Grab a 3rd round pick (if that makes sense)

and take nelson there


I'd want way more that a 3rd pick to drop to 4.
Barkley  
Reb8thVA : 3/9/2018 7:07 pm : link
......
Man  
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2018 7:07 pm : link
I was hoping to have a quiet Friday night. I love this shit
RE: Swap for clev for 4  
Big Blue Hokie : 3/9/2018 7:08 pm : link
If we trading back, then we are not in the win now mode and should take the best QB available at 4.

With that said, my preference is take Barkley at 2.


In comment 13856681 Joey from GlenCove said:
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Grab a 3rd round pick (if that makes sense)

and take nelson there
I really want Nelson. I might be in the minority.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/9/2018 7:09 pm : link
I think this kid is going to be an All Pro from the jump.
They are not going to pass on Rosen  
Vanzetti : 3/9/2018 7:13 pm : link
If Browns take Rosen, then Giants could select Barkley. But if Rosen is available, Giants absolutely will take him
No brainer to take  
Gjfro : 3/9/2018 7:13 pm : link
Barkley if you believe he is a Peterson like generational player...as advertised. He seems to have no flaws.
Iíd go Rosen  
The_Boss : 3/9/2018 7:14 pm : link
But something tells me heís not on their radar, unfortunately.
They select a future HoFer, G Quenton Nelson!  
SterlingArcher : 3/9/2018 7:16 pm : link
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Barkley..  
Sean : 3/9/2018 7:18 pm : link
I want to come away with a generational talent. Nelson is a need, but at 2 I want greater impact.
Barkley.  
AcidTest : 3/9/2018 7:29 pm : link
Love Nelson, but I can't see them passing on Saquan.
Saquon.  
AcidTest : 3/9/2018 7:31 pm : link
Typo.
If Eli is here to stay  
NikkiMac : 3/9/2018 7:32 pm : link
Then Barkley!
If the Giants don't draft a QB  
Big Rick in FL : 3/9/2018 7:50 pm : link
Then Gettleman needs to go. It'd be a terrible decision by him. RBs don't win championships or last long enough to justify taking them at 2.
I really don't understand how any Giant fan  
jayg5 : 3/9/2018 7:54 pm : link
Feels they shouldn't take a QB.
RE: I really don't understand how any Giant fan  
lecky : 3/9/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13856845 jayg5 said:
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Feels they shouldn't take a QB.


Well for one reason the giants might not think any of them are worth a first round pick. 2nd, maybe what they have on the bench is as good as any of these QB's. Third, maybe they feel Eli has a few years left and with the right improvements could be a viable QB. Or maybe they feel Saquon Barkley is a game changer or Quenton Nelson is the best O-Lineman to come out of college in 10 years. Philadelphia won a superbowl, with a backup QB, because all the pieces came together. This team needs a lot of pieces before a QB will make much of a difference.
RE: No brainer to take  
NYSports1 : 3/9/2018 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13856705 Gjfro said:
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Barkley if you believe he is a Peterson like generational player...as advertised. He seems to have no flaws.


Generational player? AP won how many playoffs games and how many dominant years did he have. Was his dominance the key to the Vikings being dominant in a throw happy league...

The Giants will not only destroy their franchise for the next decade if they do not take a qb. We now suppose to belive that a new regime is going to hitch their wagons to a qb who could not get a single first team snap on a garbage team and was not the qb they drafted?

New regimes should take a qb with the top of the draft pick and hitch their wagon to that player like TC did with Eli.

Barkley will only be exciting for Madden players who use the Giants
RE: I really don't understand how any Giant fan  
NYSports1 : 3/9/2018 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13856845 jayg5 said:
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Feels they shouldn't take a QB.


That is easy, taking a qb that high means the end of the Eli era is sooner than they wish...

The Giants will regret this years draft for a long long time if they select a non premium position like RB or G
Last great Giants RB was?  
NYSports1 : 3/9/2018 8:09 pm : link
Tiki...what the hell did the Giants win...He retired and the Giants went to the SB with 2 complimentary back but we must waste a high pick on a rb who we can find in rd 3 or 4 to provide about 85% of what Barkely is
RE: RE: I really don't understand how any Giant fan  
NYSports1 : 3/9/2018 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13856867 lecky said:
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In comment 13856845 jayg5 said:


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Feels they shouldn't take a QB.



Well for one reason the giants might not think any of them are worth a first round pick. 2nd, maybe what they have on the bench is as good as any of these QB's. Third, maybe they feel Eli has a few years left and with the right improvements could be a viable QB. Or maybe they feel Saquon Barkley is a game changer or Quenton Nelson is the best O-Lineman to come out of college in 10 years. Philadelphia won a superbowl, with a backup QB, because all the pieces came together. This team needs a lot of pieces before a QB will make much of a difference.


WTF are you talking about all the pieces came together? They were #1 seed all year with their Franchise qb who they drafted high when they had the chance. You think if Nick Foles was starter from day one that they win the ring....Give me a break
How  
Thinblueline : 3/9/2018 8:13 pm : link
Many times does this same question need to be asked!
RE: Last great Giants RB was?  
lecky : 3/9/2018 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13856875 NYSports1 said:
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Tiki...what the hell did the Giants win...He retired and the Giants went to the SB with 2 complimentary back but we must waste a high pick on a rb who we can find in rd 3 or 4 to provide about 85% of what Barkely is


Have to agree, a RB with the 2nd pick is risky, so I say take the guard or a defensive player. This guard from ND looks like a game changer
RE: RE: Last great Giants RB was?  
NYSports1 : 3/9/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13856884 lecky said:
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In comment 13856875 NYSports1 said:


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Tiki...what the hell did the Giants win...He retired and the Giants went to the SB with 2 complimentary back but we must waste a high pick on a rb who we can find in rd 3 or 4 to provide about 85% of what Barkely is



Have to agree, a RB with the 2nd pick is risky, so I say take the guard or a defensive player. This guard from ND looks like a game changer


No such thing as a guard who is a game changer when we have no tackles....Do you people not get that when you have a top 5 pick you select from following

QB
LT
DE
WR
S

If we have those spots all secured long term than I will entertain moving back or taking BPA

The Giants have no QB, no LT, overpaid and overrated DE's, 1 stud WR looking to be paid like a stud qb, a solid slot guy, 1 stud S....Do the math what we need

Drafts are not meant to win that year, the draft is to secure the future of the team
RE: I really don't understand how any Giant fan  
mrvax : 3/9/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13856845 jayg5 said:
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Feels they shouldn't take a QB.


I'm pretty sure they will. But if an amazing trade down is presented...
Browns r taking Barkley  
brunswick : 3/9/2018 8:39 pm : link
At 1...moot point. Next.
Itís funny how no one is calling for  
DonnieD89 : 3/9/2018 8:41 pm : link
Rothlisbergerís or Riverís replacement. Eli has not had a freaking OLine in 7 or 8 years. Heís never had a real injury. Give him the weapons and the OLine. Gettleman is not stupid. He has had success in building contenders. If he draft a quarterback, he knows that Eli does not have that much time. If he drafts Barkley, we know that there is going to be a short term run, but that does not exclude not getting a quarterback later and have him duke it out with Webb. I donít buy this Adrian Peterson never won a Super Bowl crap. By the way, Philip Rivers has never won a Super Bowl, Dan Marino has never won a Super Bowl, Jim Kelly has never won a Super Bowl, Fran Tarkenton has not won a Super Bowl, .... Get the best freaking player. Itís a team sport and as Gettleman said, you need 11 players to win. There are different ways to build a Super Bowl team.
RE: They are not going to pass on Rosen  
81_Great_Dane : 3/9/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13856703 Vanzetti said:
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If Browns take Rosen, then Giants could select Barkley. But if Rosen is available, Giants absolutely will take him
And yet for some reason there's all this buzz about how Josh Allen is perfect for the Giants.

I don't think so at all. He's a huge ball of potential with relatively little production. Huge gamble for Gettelman.
RE: RE: I really don't understand how any Giant fan  
Rjanyg : 3/9/2018 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13856867 lecky said:
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In comment 13856845 jayg5 said:


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Feels they shouldn't take a QB.



Well for one reason the giants might not think any of them are worth a first round pick. 2nd, maybe what they have on the bench is as good as any of these QB's. Third, maybe they feel Eli has a few years left and with the right improvements could be a viable QB. Or maybe they feel Saquon Barkley is a game changer or Quenton Nelson is the best O-Lineman to come out of college in 10 years. Philadelphia won a superbowl, with a backup QB, because all the pieces came together. This team needs a lot of pieces before a QB will make much of a difference.


This might be the best response to the " we need to take a QB " club. Nice job Lecky.
RE: Itís funny how no one is calling for  
Rjanyg : 3/9/2018 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13856924 DonnieD89 said:
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Rothlisbergerís or Riverís replacement. Eli has not had a freaking OLine in 7 or 8 years. Heís never had a real injury. Give him the weapons and the OLine. Gettleman is not stupid. He has had success in building contenders. If he draft a quarterback, he knows that Eli does not have that much time. If he drafts Barkley, we know that there is going to be a short term run, but that does not exclude not getting a quarterback later and have him duke it out with Webb. I donít buy this Adrian Peterson never won a Super Bowl crap. By the way, Philip Rivers has never won a Super Bowl, Dan Marino has never won a Super Bowl, Jim Kelly has never won a Super Bowl, Fran Tarkenton has not won a Super Bowl, .... Get the best freaking player. Itís a team sport and as Gettleman said, you need 11 players to win. There are different ways to build a Super Bowl team.


Damn good post!
RE: RE: RE: Last great Giants RB was?  
Rjanyg : 3/9/2018 9:04 pm : link
In comment 13856897 NYSports1 said:
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In comment 13856875 NYSports1 said:


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Tiki...what the hell did the Giants win...He retired and the Giants went to the SB with 2 complimentary back but we must waste a high pick on a rb who we can find in rd 3 or 4 to provide about 85% of what Barkely is



Have to agree, a RB with the 2nd pick is risky, so I say take the guard or a defensive player. This guard from ND looks like a game changer



No such thing as a guard who is a game changer when we have no tackles....Do you people not get that when you have a top 5 pick you select from following

QB
LT
DE
WR
S

If we have those spots all secured long term than I will entertain moving back or taking BPA

The Giants have no QB, no LT, overpaid and overrated DE's, 1 stud WR looking to be paid like a stud qb, a solid slot guy, 1 stud S....Do the math what we need

Drafts are not meant to win that year, the draft is to secure the future of the team


Part of the Giants problem the last few years is picking up short yardage plays and Eli being able to step up in the pocket. You need good interior linemen as well as good tackles. Oh by the way, there is only one solid LT in free agency in Solder, he will cost more than Norwell who is an All Pro 26 year old. You give big contracts to young players in their prime. If Solder would take a Whitworth type contract then maybe.

Also, Nelson is a stud and will be all pro. If he were at RG with Norwell at LG our O Line would be much better at pass and run blocking.
Lecky  
jayg5 : 3/9/2018 9:08 pm : link
The eagles also were put in that position by a qb who was well on his way to an MVP season. If you think the eagles would of had the same season with Foles as their qb all year then we agree to disagree

Again, if you want to come away with a guard at pick 2, we agree to disagree. You can find good guards anywhere.

If you haven't seen a decline in Eli over the past two years, again, we agree to disagree

Take a look around the NFC. It's loaded. If you want to go all in, have Eli as your starting QB, and draft a RB or a guard at 2, well again, let's agree to disagree. They need to rebuild, and that starts with drafting a QB
RE: Lecky  
mrvax : 3/9/2018 9:29 pm : link
In comment 13856963 jayg5 said:
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The eagles also were put in that position by a qb who was well on his way to an MVP season. If you think the eagles would of had the same season with Foles as their qb all year then we agree to disagree

Again, if you want to come away with a guard at pick 2, we agree to disagree. You can find good guards anywhere.

If you haven't seen a decline in Eli over the past two years, again, we agree to disagree

Take a look around the NFC. It's loaded. If you want to go all in, have Eli as your starting QB, and draft a RB or a guard at 2, well again, let's agree to disagree. They need to rebuild, and that starts with drafting a QB



Good job, Jay.
What if the Giants have to settle for their second choice at QB...  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 9:52 pm : link
assuming the Browns select the QB the Giants graded highest, does that factor in taking or not taking Barkley?
RE: Last great Giants RB was?  
bw in dc : 3/9/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13856875 NYSports1 said:
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Tiki...what the hell did the Giants win...He retired and the Giants went to the SB with 2 complimentary back but we must waste a high pick on a rb who we can find in rd 3 or 4 to provide about 85% of what Barkely is


Bravo! Well said. Next to taking a G or punter, taking a RB with the #2 pick is beyond dumb...

New York Sports1  
Marty866b : 3/9/2018 10:26 pm : link
Well done sir. I agree with everything that you posted. This is the time to pick our future quarterback.
I keep hearing the argument that it's not important to have a great RB  
81_Great_Dane : 3/9/2018 10:31 pm : link
because Barry Sanders never won a title, OJ Simpson didn't, Adrian Peterson and LDT didn't, etc., and you need a franchise QB to win a title.

Emmitt Smith won three Super Bowls. Franco Harris won four. Jim Taylor won the first two. Mike Garrett played in two and won one.
Terrell Davis won a couple. Larry Csonka, Marcus Allen, Walter Payton, Marshall Faulk all got one.

And let's not even get into guys like Thurman Thomas and Chuck Foreman who got there more than once without winning.

It's a team sport. A great QB helps, a great RB helps, but neither one wins alone. It's up to the coaches and management to understand that a great QB or RB may be masking weaknesses that will be exposed in the playoffs.
RE: I keep hearing the argument that it's not important to have a great RB  
bw in dc : 3/9/2018 10:34 pm : link
In comment 13857056 81_Great_Dane said:
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because Barry Sanders never won a title, OJ Simpson didn't, Adrian Peterson and LDT didn't, etc., and you need a franchise QB to win a title.

Emmitt Smith won three Super Bowls. Franco Harris won four. Jim Taylor won the first two. Mike Garrett played in two and won one.
Terrell Davis won a couple. Larry Csonka, Marcus Allen, Walter Payton, Marshall Faulk all got one.

And let's not even get into guys like Thurman Thomas and Chuck Foreman who got there more than once without winning.

It's a team sport. A great QB helps, a great RB helps, but neither one wins alone. It's up to the coaches and management to understand that a great QB or RB may be masking weaknesses that will be exposed in the playoffs.


Here is your answer - it's abundantly easier to find quality RBs than it is to find quality QBs.
Rosen  
Steve in Greenwich : 3/9/2018 10:39 pm : link
I feel like is the pick 100%. Hes the guy Shurmur has been talking about when raving at the combine someone learning and regurgitating the playbook in one meeting, they are trying to fix the leaks so you hear nothing about him at all. They are driving the narrative of Eli all the way 100%, lets re-tool around him, then they will draft Rosen and throw him into the fire and no one will see it coming.
Mrvax  
jayg5 : 3/9/2018 11:13 pm : link
Regarding comment on a trade down.

I stress, if Giants are dumb enough to NOT take a qb I hope they trade down. I just don't see how this team competes next year in the NFC. With that said, I might be on an island by myself but I'd absolutely think about trading back with a team like the bills.

Give me picks 21,22, bills 2'nd round pick, 4th round pick
Plus 2019 1st round pick and I'm asking for Dion Dawkins.

They refuse, I'm taking a QB. I'd much rather have the picks in that hypothetical over selecting a RB at 2, or a guard.
RE: I keep hearing the argument that it's not important to have a great RB  
NYSports1 : 3/9/2018 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13857056 81_Great_Dane said:
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because Barry Sanders never won a title, OJ Simpson didn't, Adrian Peterson and LDT didn't, etc., and you need a franchise QB to win a title.

Emmitt Smith won three Super Bowls. Franco Harris won four. Jim Taylor won the first two. Mike Garrett played in two and won one.
Terrell Davis won a couple. Larry Csonka, Marcus Allen, Walter Payton, Marshall Faulk all got one.

And let's not even get into guys like Thurman Thomas and Chuck Foreman who got there more than once without winning.

It's a team sport. A great QB helps, a great RB helps, but neither one wins alone. It's up to the coaches and management to understand that a great QB or RB may be masking weaknesses that will be exposed in the playoffs.


You are bringing up RB from an era where it was not a pass happy league. EMitt Smith had a HOF oline and tons of HOF skill position players. The Cowboys could have had another rb that would have been nice and still won. And Emitt Smith was not picked second overall.

Name me the last SB winner in the last Decade to be on the heels of a GENERATIONAL RB
RE: Itís funny how no one is calling for  
NYSports1 : 3/9/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13856924 DonnieD89 said:
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Rothlisbergerís or Riverís replacement. Eli has not had a freaking OLine in 7 or 8 years. Heís never had a real injury. Give him the weapons and the OLine. Gettleman is not stupid. He has had success in building contenders. If he draft a quarterback, he knows that Eli does not have that much time. If he drafts Barkley, we know that there is going to be a short term run, but that does not exclude not getting a quarterback later and have him duke it out with Webb. I donít buy this Adrian Peterson never won a Super Bowl crap. By the way, Philip Rivers has never won a Super Bowl, Dan Marino has never won a Super Bowl, Jim Kelly has never won a Super Bowl, Fran Tarkenton has not won a Super Bowl, .... Get the best freaking player. Itís a team sport and as Gettleman said, you need 11 players to win. There are different ways to build a Super Bowl team.



Are the Chargers drafting 18 and Steelers drafting 23rd in position to draft at #2?

Has Ben and Phillip Rivers not played better than Eli for the last 5 seasons?

If the Steelers had the second overall or Chargers you can bet your bottom dollar they will be in serious discussions on taking a QB
After reading these great posts  
giantsFC : 3/10/2018 1:29 am : link
Helps see the answer is probably the generic ďbest player availableĒ

As long as itís not that DB giantswire has in their new mock draft. Ugh. Taking a DB who isnít Deion Sanders at 2 just makes me cringe. Other than kicker, punter and middle linebacker I canít see a more wasted pick.
Given what the Browns did today with their trades  
montanagiant : 3/10/2018 1:56 am : link
I'm going 90% sure they pick Barkley 1st or trade back.
NYsports1  
joeinpa : 3/10/2018 7:25 am : link
Bingo!
once again, it depends on which QB is there. if it's one they  
Victor in CT : 3/10/2018 9:23 am : link
are certain about they take the QB, if not, they take Barkley
RE: RE: I keep hearing the argument that it's not important to have a great RB  
Bill L : 3/10/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 13857166 NYSports1 said:
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In comment 13857056 81_Great_Dane said:


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because Barry Sanders never won a title, OJ Simpson didn't, Adrian Peterson and LDT didn't, etc., and you need a franchise QB to win a title.

Emmitt Smith won three Super Bowls. Franco Harris won four. Jim Taylor won the first two. Mike Garrett played in two and won one.
Terrell Davis won a couple. Larry Csonka, Marcus Allen, Walter Payton, Marshall Faulk all got one.

And let's not even get into guys like Thurman Thomas and Chuck Foreman who got there more than once without winning.

It's a team sport. A great QB helps, a great RB helps, but neither one wins alone. It's up to the coaches and management to understand that a great QB or RB may be masking weaknesses that will be exposed in the playoffs.



You are bringing up RB from an era where it was not a pass happy league. EMitt Smith had a HOF oline and tons of HOF skill position players. The Cowboys could have had another rb that would have been nice and still won. And Emitt Smith was not picked second overall.

Name me the last SB winner in the last Decade to be on the heels of a GENERATIONAL RB
On a Thursday with a westerly wind.
RE: RE: Itís funny how no one is calling for  
Bill L : 3/10/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13857169 NYSports1 said:
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In comment 13856924 DonnieD89 said:


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Rothlisbergerís or Riverís replacement. Eli has not had a freaking OLine in 7 or 8 years. Heís never had a real injury. Give him the weapons and the OLine. Gettleman is not stupid. He has had success in building contenders. If he draft a quarterback, he knows that Eli does not have that much time. If he drafts Barkley, we know that there is going to be a short term run, but that does not exclude not getting a quarterback later and have him duke it out with Webb. I donít buy this Adrian Peterson never won a Super Bowl crap. By the way, Philip Rivers has never won a Super Bowl, Dan Marino has never won a Super Bowl, Jim Kelly has never won a Super Bowl, Fran Tarkenton has not won a Super Bowl, .... Get the best freaking player. Itís a team sport and as Gettleman said, you need 11 players to win. There are different ways to build a Super Bowl team.




Are the Chargers drafting 18 and Steelers drafting 23rd in position to draft at #2?

Has Ben and Phillip Rivers not played better than Eli for the last 5 seasons?

If the Steelers had the second overall or Chargers you can bet your bottom dollar they will be in serious discussions on taking a QB
its a little specious, since you should, then, be hearing about them being in the FA market or packaging trades to trade up.
Packaging picks, that is  
Bill L : 3/10/2018 9:43 am : link
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RE: RE: Itís funny how no one is calling for  
DonnieD89 : 3/10/2018 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13857169 NYSports1 said:
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In comment 13856924 DonnieD89 said:


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Rothlisbergerís or Riverís replacement. Eli has not had a freaking OLine in 7 or 8 years. Heís never had a real injury. Give him the weapons and the OLine. Gettleman is not stupid. He has had success in building contenders. If he draft a quarterback, he knows that Eli does not have that much time. If he drafts Barkley, we know that there is going to be a short term run, but that does not exclude not getting a quarterback later and have him duke it out with Webb. I donít buy this Adrian Peterson never won a Super Bowl crap. By the way, Philip Rivers has never won a Super Bowl, Dan Marino has never won a Super Bowl, Jim Kelly has never won a Super Bowl, Fran Tarkenton has not won a Super Bowl, .... Get the best freaking player. Itís a team sport and as Gettleman said, you need 11 players to win. There are different ways to build a Super Bowl team.




Are the Chargers drafting 18 and Steelers drafting 23rd in position to draft at #2?

Has Ben and Phillip Rivers not played better than Eli for the last 5 seasons?

If the Steelers had the second overall or Chargers you can bet your bottom dollar they will be in serious discussions on taking a QB


Are you blaming Eli for this disastrous season? Last I heard, 11 football players play the game. I bet if Eli had a decent Oline in front of him for the past 7 or 8 years, we would not be having this discussion.
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