This roster is so thin that getting rid of him and going for the full rebuild would be my preference. I love Eli, but if he waived his no trade clause I'd trade him, because this team is quite a ways from a SB contender, and I'd prefer to suffer for a few more years with the hope that we could draft high again next year and rebuild the whole roster.
We'd recoup about $10M this year against the cap (but have $12M in dead cap costs) and would have $17M more cap space next offseason.
Eli is obviously not part of our future, so IMO it would be time to cut bait if he'd be willing to waive the no trade and we found a team interested in him.
(I know this has been beaten to death, but I was looking over the roster again, and I can't identify any other players who might be possible trade bait given their cap hits and/or talent level. We really are thin!)
Imagine the optimism around here going into the 2019 season with a new franchise QB and all that cap room not to mention another potential early 1st round pick in the 10-15 range.
The new GM and new HC are arguing otherwise.
Well said.
6-10 is close to Gettlman's nowhere scenario of 7-9 to 9-7, where you tread water and never become a top team. Get worse in order to get better. And let Webb and a drafted QB fight it out to be our new leader.
It's always nice to hear from my fans.
Sometimes I think the world's going to hell in a hand basket, and then I get responses like this. It warms my heart.
lol. You somehow managed to make that seem like it's no big deal. They've been chasing those things for 5 years.
...I'm with you 100% on this.
I much prefer this team enter 2018 sans Eli.
Would love to trade him and make him happy with another team.
Start fresh, start with a new QB and move on from there.
Imagine the optimism around here going into the 2019 season with a new franchise QB and all that cap room not to mention another potential early 1st round pick in the 10-15 range.
From your mouth to God's ears.
Quote:
2 offensive lineman a running back and a couple of linebackers and solid QBs play and this team is back in the playoffs cut the shit !
lol. You somehow managed to make that seem like it's no big deal. They've been chasing those things for 5 years.
Yup. And more depth at CB, a starting FS, another WR to play opposite OBJ, and perhaps some defensive ends who fit the 3-4 scheme better. Other than that we're set.
Quote:
.
It's always nice to hear from my fans.
Sometimes I think the world's going to hell in a hand basket, and then I get responses like this. It warms my heart.
the eli cultists have thin skin.
The restructuring of the Giants will not truly take on momentum until we have a changing of the guard at starting QB...
they took the cue from mike francesa and then the ny sports media pilled on.
As a life-long supporter of the minority opinion, i hear you loud and clear...
And what about his most recent performance makes you think Eli has 2 solid years left?
The resident BBI pro Eli lynch mob will harp on one decent game effort in a years to attest his "elite" status. It is always everybody else (Coughlin, Gilbride, Reese, Ross etc) fault.
The bottom line is that 37 year old Eli is not part of Giants' future. I have this sinking feeling that they are mortgaging the franchise's future to appease Eli.
Again, I appreciate Eli achievements but I love our team. Go Giants!!
What happens is that our rookie QB has 7 less games to develop into his new job, and we lose another season in fixing this team...
The resident BBI pro Eli lynch mob will harp on one decent game effort in a years to attest his "elite" status. It is always everybody else (Coughlin, Gilbride, Reese, Ross etc) fault.
The bottom line is that 37 year old Eli is not part of Giants' future. I have this sinking feeling that they are mortgaging the franchise's future to appease Eli.
Again, I appreciate Eli achievements but I love our team. Go Giants!!
Which “decent” game are you referring to? The Home Philly game? Ok, he played well, but does anyone remember the brutal INT he threw which totally turned the tide in that game in Philly’s favor?
Quote:
You encapsulated my thoughts so succinctly. Eli has been done for years. I respect and applaud him for being a Giant great. He is done, though.
The resident BBI pro Eli lynch mob will harp on one decent game effort in a years to attest his "elite" status. It is always everybody else (Coughlin, Gilbride, Reese, Ross etc) fault.
The bottom line is that 37 year old Eli is not part of Giants' future. I have this sinking feeling that they are mortgaging the franchise's future to appease Eli.
Again, I appreciate Eli achievements but I love our team. Go Giants!!
Which “decent” game are you referring to? The Home Philly game? Ok, he played well, but does anyone remember the brutal INT he threw which totally turned the tide in that game in Philly’s favor?
how about the horror show in az the following week,eli was brutal.
The OL is a problem but let's face it - they have no starting RB, their LBs are non-descript (even with Ogletree), and the DBs are a mystery. Jenkins quit last year, Apple is a headcase, Thompson was not the ballhawk he was advertised, and Collins needs to focus back on football instead of being the locker room leaker
The game before he lit up Philly the defending Champs. After they lost all their WR they changed the game plan to not have Eli drop back so much so he wouldn't get killed and because he had nobody to throw to.
It's easy to point at a 36 year old QB and blame him for our 5 years of non playoff football. Simpletons can do that 7 days a week. He hasn't been perfect but trading him away and starting a rookie QB next year our record will be 4-12 if we are lucky.
Ten Ton Hammer : 7:43 pm : link : reply
to move on, it went out the window when the fans went thermonuclear because he was sat down for one game and they erected billboards shaming the franchise.
The fans would not have objected, to see Webb out there in the fourth quarter of the Rams, SF, Cardinal, or Cowboy games....being 1-6, and OBj done, Webb should have had 2nd string snaps in the two weeks of the bye......to trot out Geno Smith was a huge mistake.....this team's possible future did not include Geno Smith....It was handled wrong....Mac obviously lost it, if he thought he was going to get away with that....
As for Eli, I brought up this possibility months ago.....if this team is not ready to win in the playoffs, we are just delaying the inevitable......this organization has lived with the mindset that we are only one or two players away from another run.......and while it is too early to tell, it looks like that attitude has not changed......so what if we don't have one efficient starting OLMan......so what if we don't have a #2 WR.......so what if we don't have a RB that scares the opposition.......so what if we have two DE's who have not lived up to their contract....so what if we only have one legitimate linebacker on the roster at this moment.....No FS.....the CB position is in flux......and the drop off in talent to backups is, like an abyss....
Can this team win and make the playoffs? Maybe....with a weak schedule...if we don't have one single injury to a starter.....if the new regime doesn't have growing pains....if we can pull a miracle and create in 0ne year, what Seven years couldn't do, create an OL that can pass block, convert short yardage runs, and god, am I asking too much, can actually run a screen.....and we have have to get get the breaks.....man we were snake bit all last year....
I see growing pains and maybe 6-10, 7-9 season.....and what does that accomplish? Not much....we are just delaying the inevitable, if we keep Eli......I'd rather see him traded(with his permission)/released, to play on a team that can utilize whatever talents he has left, and gives him a chance at another ring.....with him off the roster this year, we save over 20M to rebuild with,over the next two years.....we do not need a 22M mentor.
This team is not going to do it, in one or two years.....it's time to make the hard decisions, and start the rebuild......if by some chance, Cleveland takes Barkley first, then we have the choice of the best QB, for the future of the NY Football Giants......and if we don't think any of them are worth the second pick, then entertain the thought of trading down, to get more players.....and if that means we have to suck another year, so be it.....it's time we draft and acquire players who can play......I want a team that we can build on, not one year wonder's against a weak schedule......
I don't know if Eli is a year too late or too early. To me, MacAdoo was so so awful everyone deserves a slight pass
But...regardless of what happens going forward, for absolutely right now, with no good look at Webb, with no knowledge of how they would evaluate the possible QB's and no FA successes or failures and no draft day trade offers or not to even begin to evaluate....of course the right decision and the right FO thing to say is that Eli has 2 years.
Its right and its reality right now.
But what if after 3 weeks of FA, all the 2-4 good or even marginal possible OL improvements, all the logical 2-4 RB improvements or the 1-2 WR besides Marshall alternatives go to the other 31 teams? And no other LB or FS upgrade comes our way?
Then is trading Eli for some of the many many parts we need such a bad idea? Its definitely a sad sad day when Eli hangs them up...but it is going to happen
Guys...we don't have any any any proven NFL average OL. Its a decent bet that Pugh and Richburg want to leave.
I like spring and new guys and hope and everyone reaching their potential and no one getting hurt or sliding backwards. Its a rite of spring. Its what it means to be a fan.
I just like actual playoff winning seasons a lot more
He is clearly in decline. If you don't see that after having watched the last two years than I don't know what to tell you. You all have this vision of Gettleman magically putting the Eagles offensive line in front of him. He is going to be even worse next year than he was last year.
I am fine with them keeping him this year, provided they take
A QB at 2 and let him take the reigns either mid season or in 2019. But if they truly believe they can still build a team around Eli for one more run, then we are in trouble.
I'll go with their opinion and not the arm chair GM's on here...
I'd like to think that treating the best QB in our history with some dignity - to admittedly repay the class he has shown over the years- is the right thing to do. If he can play at an above average level that is what we do- and honor his remaining contract.
Beyond that is open - but we will fulfill our obligations as he has done.
If he can't play at that level - fine - but he gets at least 1 yr more to prove that .