This roster is so thin that getting rid of him and going for the full rebuild would be my preference. I love Eli, but if he waived his no trade clause I'd trade him, because this team is quite a ways from a SB contender, and I'd prefer to suffer for a few more years with the hope that we could draft high again next year and rebuild the whole roster.
We'd recoup about $10M this year against the cap (but have $12M in dead cap costs) and would have $17M more cap space next offseason.
Eli is obviously not part of our future, so IMO it would be time to cut bait if he'd be willing to waive the no trade and we found a team interested in him.
(I know this has been beaten to death, but I was looking over the roster again, and I can't identify any other players who might be possible trade bait given their cap hits and/or talent level. We really are thin!)
If you think Eli has value for the Giants then you probably should think he has value for other teams so take the pick(s) to help balance the dead money. I don't think he does so I would go with the outright release based on how the Draft should proceed.
There may be dead money but there is also a lot of wasted salaries being paid on the team while we continue to struggle on Offense and delay the inevitable...
If you read my comment and picture me in Manning pajamas, then you match the mental picture I have of you being a fucking ignorant asswipe.
Good job.
that is funny,well played.
The stupid is strong around here. Least of my concern is a two time SB winning QB under 40 with almost a 0 injury history.
An outright release is probably the worst option that can be taken. But then again having the stance that eli has no value to the team isn't really a very good opinion either.
Creating dead money is never a good idea. It's not even an OK idea. All it does is literally create a $12M hole.
You act as if this should prevent coming to grips on how teams restructure...
Rosen seems to be the only QB that might have a shot to step in quickly. The others would most likely be better served to sit a year as the backup.
I'm not advocating Eli is going to be here 4-6 more years. I'm just saying there are few positives on moving him. Hardly any benefit to doing it this year UNLESS a team makes an incredible offer (and Eli agrees). Next year becomes much easier and cap friendly to move him, either via trade or release.
You keep talking about coming to grips. What is there to come to grips about? Here is how negligent it would be to create dead money. You could have Eli serve as the backup for this year if the staff feels he is a liability and we'd still be better off capwise.
This isn't about restructuring. You can restructure a number of ways. We seemingly disagree on this, but "restructuring" using Eli as the starter this year is likely both the most rational and the most prudent way to do so.
Nevertheless keep paying him and giving him roster bonuses while the Offense flounders is becoming the norm...
I go back and forth on that. The NFL is certainly morphing into an environment where it's more baptism by fire for these young QBs - get in right away and play. And there is more than enough good results to say that works...
Nothing beats real game experience.
On the other hand, some guys just need time to adapt and being exposed early is the worst decision. It's just figuring out what the best formula is for that QB.
Lately, I'm going with the vogue move - play the QB right away...
That's reality. That's a fact. You can waste your time with hypothetical trade and cut discussions, but the odds highly favor Manning being the starting QB.
That's reality. That's a fact. You can waste your time with hypothetical trade and cut discussions, but the odds highly favor Manning being the starting QB.
go collect your prize,the end.
Now back to your chairs and prepare for the mediocrity!
Ok thx, I’ll mentally prepare.
Giants are taking a qb, be prepared.
If it's about advancing the team's goal of becoming relevant for the next decade I'm in disagreement.
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Loyalty to a man who has given us so much is admirable.
If it's about advancing the team's goal of becoming relevant for the next decade I'm in disagreement.
If you want to advance the team's goal of relevance, that can easily be done with Eli as QB this year and then moving on. What's being pointed out several times is if we move away from him creating a dead cap space, that isn't beneficial.
There are very few good reasons to not have Eli on the roster this year. That isn't about loyalty or even an eye to him being awesome - it is the expectation that he's the best QB on the roster, even if one is drafted.
Imo, any trade talk prior to having seeing Webb and whoever in spring training, if not preseason, is far down the list of useful.
Honestly, first step in my head is seeing where we are after FA and after our round one slot of the draft.
It is possible that someplace in later round one a team who needs a QB but does not like the remaining QBs takes a run at seeing where we are on ELi.
Maybe. But thats only possible for us after so many FA permutations and what ifs that we could as reasonably talk about a Brady for Eli swap and how it would invigorate both and cement their legacies.
Lets start that thread?
But we'll have already faced the furor about getting rid of Eli, AND hopefully have gained some draft picks or young players in a trade of him.
Same reason why playing Webb would have been a better choice than Geno last year to the extent the decision was to bench Eli. So the development of Webb and the decision makers around him got some intell on him.
But because there is optimism at 0-0 record Eli should naturally start game 1 in 2018? And when the optimism becomes questionable at 2-5 the Giants should start thinking, maybe now? And then what happens when we hit 4 - 8...is it time?
So under your scenario, Eli still must be the better QB because the backup hasn't played a snap...so why sit Eli?
Isn't he better? Since that is the only thing that matters...
Nick foles
Blake bottles
Were the three starting qbs in the championship games. Eli is better than all of them and some of those teams were dreadful in 2016.
Nick foles
Blake bottles
Were the three starting qbs in the championship games. Eli is better than all of them and some of those teams were dreadful in 2016.
The 2017 Eli is better than the 2017 Keenum, Bottles, and the Super Bowl-winning Foles??
So Eli is better than the Super Bowl MVP! Oh yes, that must be true because our beloved Eli has won it twice while this little lucky bastard Nick Fole has only won it once!! Plus, we all see that Foles had a great defense to rely on while poor Eli had to carry his no-good defense to the titles, big difference.
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than those 3 guys last year?
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And the same mentality/motive that prompted some BBIers to cry that the Giants organization has somehow “wronged” the beloved Eli, that we Giants fans “don’t deserve Eli”, and a beat-writer to bestow the 2011 Eli the absurdly laughable title of “the reigning best quarterback on earth.”
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is simply wasting time. Every game he starts and snap he takes just "punts" the overall betterment of the team down the road further and further. So the team around the QB should try to develop but don't touch that position?
It isn't wasting time to groom a successor. Throwing a rookie to the wolves will often fail as much as it succeeds, and even recent examples are all over the board. Guys like Wentz and Prescott succeeded. Kizer, Brissett, Goff, and Huntley failed. It would be like saying having Kurt Warner taking snaps punted the overall development of the team, when the exact opposite impact happened.
It really seems that some posters believe that Eli isn't just mediocre, but one of the worst QB's in the league. That's what this boils down to. And believing that would indicate Eli was the reason the team failed and not a system that was complete shit. Based on what a lot of great football analysts have said, I'll believe Mac's system blew. On many levels.
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than those 3 guys last year?
Nostalgia
And the same mentality/motive that prompted some BBIers to cry that the Giants organization has somehow “wronged” the beloved Eli, that we Giants fans “don’t deserve Eli”, and a beat-writer to bestow the 2011 Eli the absurdly laughable title of “the reigning best quarterback on earth.”
There is a lot of stupidity in this fan base, and in pro sports in general.
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Playing Eli because he may be the best QB on the roster next year
Jimmy Googs : 1:48 pm : link : reply
is simply wasting time. Every game he starts and snap he takes just "punts" the overall betterment of the team down the road further and further. So the team around the QB should try to develop but don't touch that position?
It isn't wasting time to groom a successor. Throwing a rookie to the wolves will often fail as much as it succeeds, and even recent examples are all over the board. Guys like Wentz and Prescott succeeded. Kizer, Brissett, Goff, and Huntley failed. It would be like saying having Kurt Warner taking snaps punted the overall development of the team, when the exact opposite impact happened.
It really seems that some posters believe that Eli isn't just mediocre, but one of the worst QB's in the league. That's what this boils down to. And believing that would indicate Eli was the reason the team failed and not a system that was complete shit. Based on what a lot of great football analysts have said, I'll believe Mac's system blew. On many levels.
And for me it's not about Eli being horrible, it's about advancing a young QB's development AND getting a higher draft choice in the next year or two.
His team led the league in drops. His teammates suffered horrid injuries in preseason and regular season. His online sucked. And played for an inept coach.
I understand that crapping on Eli is easy cause the team was terrible, but if you don’t think he can play anymore,you’re my bias on Eli than even me.
No. You're supposed to not even try and never draft another QB again in memory of Eli Manning.
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and then coach him up. But if you don't get a new QB, Eli sure isn't gonna be the savior over the long haul, so what do you do then?
No. You're supposed to not even try and never draft another QB again in memory of Eli Manning.
Or pick a qb with the second pick and start Eli. If season goes awry then bring in the rookie.
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and then coach him up. But if you don't get a new QB, Eli sure isn't gonna be the savior over the long haul, so what do you do then?
No. You're supposed to not even try and never draft another QB again in memory of Eli Manning.
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and then coach him up. But if you don't get a new QB, Eli sure isn't gonna be the savior over the long haul, so what do you do then?
No. You're supposed to not even try and never draft another QB again in memory of Eli Manning.
who said to never draft a qb?
Who said not to? There are plenty of people on this very board saying not to..
That's reality. That's a fact. You can waste your time with hypothetical trade and cut discussions, but the odds highly favor Manning being the starting QB.
Who cares Britt? We all know Eli will be starting week 1 next year. Does that mean without a doubt it is the right decision? The offensive line is going to be just as terrible next year as it has been for 5 years, even if they sign Norwell and draft a couple guys.
You, like many others are just terrified of life after Eli Manning. We want the Giants to draft a QB to help us win for the next 12 years, not 2018.
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and then coach him up. But if you don't get a new QB, Eli sure isn't gonna be the savior over the long haul, so what do you do then?
No. You're supposed to not even try and never draft another QB again in memory of Eli Manning.
who said to never draft a qb?
Who said not to? There are plenty of people on this very board saying not to..