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Davis Webb evaluation.....

sxdxca : 3/9/2018 9:59 pm
I decided to watch several of his college games from 2016. Not a highlight package , but just his snaps and games from college.

I also decided to take a look at Darnold , Mayfield and Rosen's college games. And compare them.

It seems to me , Webb doesn't read defenses as fast , nor does he process information and decision making as fast compared to the other guys.

Now can he improve on that , I believe he can , but only time will tell.

Also his body type is a bit weird. He's a long , lanky type of guy , with a slower than usual wind up to release the football.

Rosen's throwing motion is so much smoother and quicker. Darnold processes much faster , very quick in his decision making , gets rid of the ball quickly. So does Mayfield.

When u get to the NFL level , you have to process fast. I don't think Webb does that yet. And will only be able to improve his processing skills in live games. Also he needs to play faster.

I think Webb's strength is the deep ball. He has a strong arm , and I believe he needs play action , and then take his time to deliver a 50-60 yard throw.

For him to be successful needs a strong o line.

In fact I took a look at old games of Kerry Collins , and
Davis Webb delivery , throwing motion and body type are eerily similar to Collins.

And as we know Ernie Accorsi said he knew K. Collins would never win a superbowl , so needed to draft Eli.

Also when I look at games of the all time greats like Montana , Marino , and Elway.

There delivery is beautiful , I mean Montana's grip and control of the football , and spirals were a thing to watch. Combined with his accuracy.

So all in all , I don't think Webb is ever going to be a STAR. I think on a scale of 1-10 , he will max somewhere between a 7-8. Think a reborn Kerry Collins.

Which is decent but not a star QB.

Where when u watch Darnold and Rosen , they make the guys on there team better around them. They raise the quality of the team.

It looks like they can carry a team on there back. Webb doesn't look like that guy , at least not yet.

This is just what I see as of right now.

So for those who are counting on him being a star , I don't think that's what he will end up being.

Do I think he can be a decent starter? Absolutely

But a guy you can count on to carry his team , that's not his strength in my opinion.

The question you have to ask yourself , is are you okay with having Kerry collins as your QB again?

And are you willing to pass up a franchise QB in Darnold or Rosen , for barkley?

That choice is up to you....


Even Kerry Collins is a stretch  
twostepgiants : 3/9/2018 10:10 pm : link
He made some Pro Bowls and a Super Bowl and was a long time starter

But good post. My answer from the beginning has been to go QB.
Nice info  
Rjanyg : 3/9/2018 10:10 pm : link
Webb seems like a hard worker and has the protypical size and decent athletic ability to work with. I wonder what was said about Kirk Cousins when he was drafted since he lasted until the 4th round and now is about to be the highest paid QB in the NFL.

Some guys need time, hell, most guys need time to develop. Eli sucked his first year. Kurt Warner jumped from team to team before a blown out knee of Trent Green gave him his opportunity. Bledsoe needed a bruised kidney in order for Brady to get his chance.

Nobody has a clue how Webb will do. Darnold could be a bust. Rosen could have a concussion use cut his career short.

Where is the crystal ball when you need one
much of BBI has already decided  
UESBLUE : 3/9/2018 10:13 pm : link
based on a few pre season snaps and YT vids that a mid 3rd rounder is as talented as a top 5 QB.
Thanks for the evaluation.  
Since1965 : 3/9/2018 10:14 pm : link
Good info. I think they have to draft a QB at #2. This opportunity does not come often. If Webb turns out to be good, he can serve as a backup or be trade material.
Jesse Palmer  
Vanzetti : 3/9/2018 10:14 pm : link
only not as good-looking
One other thing i forgot to post  
sxdxca : 3/9/2018 10:25 pm : link
is that Davis Webb is a bit more mobile than K. Collins. So that gives him a slight advantage there.

But overall is very similar to Kerry.

Which once again isn't a bad thing , but you can't expect Webb to be the next Montana or Marino , it's not gonna happen....
sxdxca: very good post  
mrvax : 3/9/2018 10:26 pm : link
I looked at college videos and found Webb less talented than Rosen/Darnold. I actually see Allen as the Collins clone in this draft. Collins BTW was a Bledsoe clone.
Being Webb works at QB 24x7 maybe he gets there?
Well  
5BowlsSoon : 3/9/2018 10:32 pm : link
If we donít seriously upgrade our OL, it wonít matter because the qb will get killed. Plus, do you really want the number two pick to hold a clipboard for two years? What do you do with Eli? I donít think we can afford to draft a guy who wonít play a down for two years. We need players NOW.
RE: Well  
Jay on the Island : 3/9/2018 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13857060 5BowlsSoon said:
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If we donít seriously upgrade our OL, it wonít matter because the qb will get killed. Plus, do you really want the number two pick to hold a clipboard for two years? What do you do with Eli? I donít think we can afford to draft a guy who wonít play a down for two years. We need players NOW.

This is a terrible way to draft. The draft isn't for NOW it is for the future. Eli has regressed over the past two years and he is 37. The Giants haven't drafted this high since taking LT. They are rarely in this position so they need to take advantage and get their QB now. Odds are that the rookie would sit behind most if not all of this year before taking over in a year when the cap savings for cutting Eli better favor the team.
The decision to not give Webb any snaps at the end of the season  
Toastt34 : 3/9/2018 10:46 pm : link
Was nearly as bad as benching Eli. The Giants put themselves in this position. Not saying there would be a definite direction with Webb playing in 3 meaningless games but more info in game action is better than no info.
How uplifting was Rosen?  
Ivan15 : 3/9/2018 10:51 pm : link
8-5, 4-8, 6-6?
RE: Well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13857060 5BowlsSoon said:
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I donít think we can afford to draft a guy who wonít play a down for two years. We need players NOW.


You can fix it NOW. Probably won't be good enough to win anything. And in two years Eli will be 39 years old.

With no disrespect intended towards posters who hate the age conversation, that's fucking old in this sport.
RE: How uplifting was Rosen?  
sxdxca : 3/9/2018 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13857102 Ivan15 said:
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8-5, 4-8, 6-6?


I'm glad you brought this up , UCLA without Josh Rosen , was 1-5 , they couldn't win a game.

Rosen raised the level of play around him , in fact I would say the injury to him was a bit of a blessing , in the fact that you can evaluate how valuable he was to his team.

There are two ways of looking at it.

Once again do I think Webb can be a decent starter , yes I do.

But do I think he'll ever be great? No i don't think so...
RE: RE: Well  
Rjanyg : 3/9/2018 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13857085 Jay on the Island said:
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If we donít seriously upgrade our OL, it wonít matter because the qb will get killed. Plus, do you really want the number two pick to hold a clipboard for two years? What do you do with Eli? I donít think we can afford to draft a guy who wonít play a down for two years. We need players NOW.


This is a terrible way to draft. The draft isn't for NOW it is for the future. Eli has regressed over the past two years and he is 37. The Giants haven't drafted this high since taking LT. They are rarely in this position so they need to take advantage and get their QB now. Odds are that the rookie would sit behind most if not all of this year before taking over in a year when the cap savings for cutting Eli better favor the team.


So, I gotta ask this question: what was the Giants record in 1980 that got them the 2nd pick in the draft in 1981? I think it was 4-12. Did they have a QB they loved who was a former 1st round pick that had won 2 Super Bowls? No they didn't. The my selected a very talented LB when they had 3 very good LB on the roster. Why didn't they draft the best QB in the draft that year? Simms couldn't stay healthy, Brunner was an average player. Didn't they need a QB to take their offense to a new height?

They took the best player available....BPA.

It has been said that BPA is really best player available at a position of need. So let's look at some positions.

RB. We have Gallman and Perkins. Are they better than Barkley? No. They are cheaper than Barkley. Should NYG just sign McKinnon and draft Bo Scarborough instead? Is the committee approach a better idea?

OL. We have little secured talent. If we drafted Nelson would he be our best O Linemen? Yes he would. Can we get a guard in round 2 or 3....maybe but not as good as Nelson.

The problem we have is, the draft is a crap shoot. Barkley and Nelson are the best players in this draft. We have no idea which QB will be a start. They are all different.

Drafting a QB doesn't fix shit. You still have to develop him and surround him with talent.
Drafting a QB doesn't mean they can't also surround him with talent  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 11:06 pm : link
though.

It's not an all or nothing choice to make. It's in many ways exactly like the Eli draft all over again. Replace 'Nelson' with 'Gallery'.
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Giants1956 : 3/9/2018 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13857123 Rjanyg said:
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If we donít seriously upgrade our OL, it wonít matter because the qb will get killed. Plus, do you really want the number two pick to hold a clipboard for two years? What do you do with Eli? I donít think we can afford to draft a guy who wonít play a down for two years. We need players NOW.


This is a terrible way to draft. The draft isn't for NOW it is for the future. Eli has regressed over the past two years and he is 37. The Giants haven't drafted this high since taking LT. They are rarely in this position so they need to take advantage and get their QB now. Odds are that the rookie would sit behind most if not all of this year before taking over in a year when the cap savings for cutting Eli better favor the team.



So, I gotta ask this question: what was the Giants record in 1980 that got them the 2nd pick in the draft in 1981? I think it was 4-12. Did they have a QB they loved who was a former 1st round pick that had won 2 Super Bowls? No they didn't. The my selected a very talented LB when they had 3 very good LB on the roster. Why didn't they draft the best QB in the draft that year? Simms couldn't stay healthy, Brunner was an average player. Didn't they need a QB to take their offense to a new height?

They took the best player available....BPA.

It has been said that BPA is really best player available at a position of need. So let's look at some positions.

RB. We have Gallman and Perkins. Are they better than Barkley? No. They are cheaper than Barkley. Should NYG just sign McKinnon and draft Bo Scarborough instead? Is the committee approach a better idea?

OL. We have little secured talent. If we drafted Nelson would he be our best O Linemen? Yes he would. Can we get a guard in round 2 or 3....maybe but not as good as Nelson.

The problem we have is, the draft is a crap shoot. Barkley and Nelson are the best players in this draft. We have no idea which QB will be a start. They are all different.

Drafting a QB doesn't fix shit. You still have to develop him and surround him with talent.


The Giants drafted Simms in '79. For the first 5 years
Simms had injury problems. But of course they weren't going
to draft QB in 1981. they already had their QB.If they draft a Franchise QB this
year and a "LT" becomes available next year they'll draft him. Franchise QB is worth more than any other player



Webb seems like a great person  
NYG07 : 3/9/2018 11:18 pm : link
He is clearly a hard worker and says all the right things.

He is also a Jerry Reese third round pick. That is all I need to say in regards to my level of confidence in his future.
RE: Webb seems like a great person  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 11:34 pm : link
In comment 13857160 NYG07 said:
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He is clearly a hard worker and says all the right things.

He is also a Jerry Reese third round pick. That is all I need to say in regards to my level of confidence in his future.


It's super weird that people are so angry at Reese and want to dance on his grave, but at the same time have any kind of confidence that he picked a guy who might be a future starting QB in the third round.
RE: RE: Webb seems like a great person  
lax counsel : 3/9/2018 11:51 pm : link
In comment 13857177 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He is clearly a hard worker and says all the right things.

He is also a Jerry Reese third round pick. That is all I need to say in regards to my level of confidence in his future.



It's super weird that people are so angry at Reese and want to dance on his grave, but at the same time have any kind of confidence that he picked a guy who might be a future starting QB in the third round.


I agree completely, basically Reese, to most, is/was the worst gm, but completely look past that and assume he found the next franchise qb in a round where he had no success. I'm going to roll the dice and say Webb will turn out like every other Reese third round pick.
I've been a live or die Giants' fan for over fifty years,  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 3/10/2018 12:17 am : link
and if I've learned anything about the sport the Giants will take a QB at 2. It's automatic in their situation.

Only other possibility is trading down a few slots to a team that isn't taking a QB, if there are two available QBs that they would take either of.

And that's not likely since the front office will usually fall in love with one of them. Also dangerous to move back more than one or two slots, 'cause other teams can trade up in front of them and pick off 'QBs.
RE: are you willing to pass up a franchise QB in ... for Barkley  
Trainmaster : 3/10/2018 1:17 am : link
First, thanks for making the time to do the research and sharing you results.

IF we knew that Rosen or Darnold was going to be a franchise QB, then of course with a 37 year old Eli Manning and the "luck" of having the 2nd overall pick due to injury and a clueless head coach, picking one of them over Barkley is a no brainer.

But every year these "next franchise QBs" and "can't miss QB prospects" are talked up and many turn out to be either busts or JAGs.

I'll turn it around; are you willing to pass up a once in a decade, 3 down running back, with great speed, strength, pass catching and pass blocking ability for the chance to use the 2nd overall pick on the next Blaine Gabbert, Alex Smith, Ryan Tannehill or, heaven forbid, Jamarcus Russell?

The ceiling on drafting a QB second overall is higher, but so is the floor lower. The bottom line is the Giants can't afford to have the 2nd overall pick in 2018 be a bust. Better to draft a "higher floor" player or trade down than throw the dice on one of these QBs when you still have a "37 years young" Eli on the roster.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Well  
Rjanyg : 3/10/2018 6:33 am : link
In comment 13857154 Giants1956 said:
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If we donít seriously upgrade our OL, it wonít matter because the qb will get killed. Plus, do you really want the number two pick to hold a clipboard for two years? What do you do with Eli? I donít think we can afford to draft a guy who wonít play a down for two years. We need players NOW.


This is a terrible way to draft. The draft isn't for NOW it is for the future. Eli has regressed over the past two years and he is 37. The Giants haven't drafted this high since taking LT. They are rarely in this position so they need to take advantage and get their QB now. Odds are that the rookie would sit behind most if not all of this year before taking over in a year when the cap savings for cutting Eli better favor the team.



So, I gotta ask this question: what was the Giants record in 1980 that got them the 2nd pick in the draft in 1981? I think it was 4-12. Did they have a QB they loved who was a former 1st round pick that had won 2 Super Bowls? No they didn't. The my selected a very talented LB when they had 3 very good LB on the roster. Why didn't they draft the best QB in the draft that year? Simms couldn't stay healthy, Brunner was an average player. Didn't they need a QB to take their offense to a new height?

They took the best player available....BPA.

It has been said that BPA is really best player available at a position of need. So let's look at some positions.

RB. We have Gallman and Perkins. Are they better than Barkley? No. They are cheaper than Barkley. Should NYG just sign McKinnon and draft Bo Scarborough instead? Is the committee approach a better idea?

OL. We have little secured talent. If we drafted Nelson would he be our best O Linemen? Yes he would. Can we get a guard in round 2 or 3....maybe but not as good as Nelson.

The problem we have is, the draft is a crap shoot. Barkley and Nelson are the best players in this draft. We have no idea which QB will be a start. They are all different.

Drafting a QB doesn't fix shit. You still have to develop him and surround him with talent.



The Giants drafted Simms in '79. For the first 5 years
Simms had injury problems. But of course they weren't going
to draft QB in 1981. they already had their QB.If they draft a Franchise QB this
year and a "LT" becomes available next year they'll draft him. Franchise QB is worth more than any other player




Actually, they didn't think Simms was so great. Scott Brunner became the starter in 1983, that's what they thought of Simms. Also, Carson, Kelly and Van Pelt were all kind pissed and wondered why they drafted LB since they didn't need one. Best player available. The Giants were bad but their defense wasn't the problem.

I am not saying Phill Simms didn't finally turn it around, he did and Simms is one of my favorite players. It took him a while though to the point where many fans hated him.

I am also not say we shouldn't of draft LT. He is best player in NY Giants history maybe NFL history. The whole point is LT was best player available even when our defense was so much better than our offense.

I am also not saying don't draft the QB. I am saying Barkley and Nelson are better players than any of the QB's.
Really good scouting report on Webb - lots of detail  
DavidinBMNY : 3/10/2018 7:19 am : link
You'll need a good 5 to 10 minutes to get through
Davis Webb CBS scouting report - ( New Window )
Ryan  
joeinpa : 3/10/2018 7:30 am : link
Simms was a first round pick from three years earlier

They had their quarterback. This is a terrible analogy
His throwing motion  
RetroJint : 3/10/2018 7:35 am : link
Is most similar to Scott Brunner. He runs faster than the Blue Hen , but he is just as gangly and dorky.

Not to open up an old wound, but these imbeciles could have had 4 weeksí worth of evaluation on the guy. Spagnuolo gained exactly one more win to his putrid career W-L record as a HC. So much for the ďEli gives us the best chance to winĒ mantra. Who gives a shit?

Now, what do DG & the Giants coaches have on film besides Webbís college games? They have the early part of last seasonís camp when the snaps are equally divided and the Patriot game , which is Belichickís snide response to not having that game eliminated by the league. Then practices during the season, right? No. Eli got 80% of the snaps. Geno the other 20. Thereís nothing to evaluate after the Thurs game against NE.

Way to go Giants.
Joepa  
Rjanyg : 3/10/2018 7:40 am : link
It was a different time. Teams owned the right to the player and they could be more patient with them. Simms didn't di squat until 1984 and was even benched in 83'. It took 5 years for him to be competent and it took Eli 4 years to win a super bowl.

I get the opportunity at hand. But the reality is Barkley and Nelson are better players than any of the QB's.
Webb  
mdthedream : 3/10/2018 7:41 am : link
moves well in the pocket. He is faster than all of those guys. You didn't mention that. I like what I see in Webb but who really knows we where not smart enough to take a look last year and please don't tell me he had no line or players it doesn't matter. Just wanted to evaluate what he did.
It doesn't matter if Webb is any good  
Rudy5757 : 3/10/2018 8:14 am : link
My guess is that he is a very small part of the decision process for the draft. If the Giants feel that any of these And will be great they will take him. If they don't they will go in another direction.

The known is that we have an aging QB on the decline. We have a very rare high draft pick. We do not have an OL at the moment. We have a promising RB in Gallman. We have a QB who was drafted in the 3rd round by the old regime.

My best guess is that we are either taking a QB, if no QB we are trying to trade back a few picks and still get Nelson. To me you don't build a team around a great RB, you build around a QB or you build a great OL to make the offense better. I feel like a RB is a luxury pick at 1 that we can't afford. I would be shocked if we take Barkley even if he is the best player. You need a 10 year starter at 2 and not many runs make it that long.
Thank you for the great post!  
PhilSimms15 : 3/10/2018 8:30 am : link
I think it is also important to add that Webb was not even the Giants QB preference in last yearís draft, they tried to trade up for Patrick M.

Secondly, previous management thought so little of Webb that they never even promoted him to second string until the last game of the season.

With a soon-to-be 38 year old QB and an unknown former 3rd round pick on the roster, that the Giants will pass on the opportunity to take one of the QBís in what is considered a strong QB draft. It would go against all of NFL history.

If that is all true  
mdthedream : 3/10/2018 9:14 am : link
season was over last year the team should have taken a look at Webb. If that is how the Giants feel than I totally agree its Qb at in the first. That said I have no problem if they trade to pick 4 seeing the Browns would take a QB at one anyway than a RB. Leaving the Colts at three and most likely not looking at a QB. That said the Giants would need to like three QBs in this draft.
If the Giants don't take a QB  
mdthedream : 3/10/2018 9:16 am : link
I would than consider trading to 5 as well if they can add a boat load.
Again  
Rjanyg : 3/10/2018 9:19 am : link
How do you guys say that Indy won't take a QB? Luck didn't play last year and Brisett is a back up. You make it seem that their QB situation is better than ours and in reality it is worse.

We have a healthy 2 time super bowl champ and a young string armed QB heading into 2018. I understand our opportunity but Indy has way more questions at QB than we do.
RE: How uplifting was Rosen?  
Beer Man : 3/10/2018 9:36 am : link
In comment 13857102 Ivan15 said:
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8-5, 4-8, 6-6?
+1. I don't mean to be critical, but this was somewhat of a biased evaluation from someone who has started or contributed to several threads on why the team should draft Rosen. I get it, we all have our opinions where the team should go with the draft. I'm going to trust the experts to get it right. I'm confident they will conduct a comprehensive evaluation of all options before making their pick. As for me, I'm not in love with any one player and there are a number of scenarios that I would be very happy with (Rosen, Darnold, Barkley, trade-down, etc.). If after their evaluation, they decide Webb can be the guy going forward, I'll be happy with that as well.
Picking a franchise QB is crap shoot anyway  
Beer Man : 3/10/2018 10:11 am : link
For every can't miss Peyton Manning there is a can't miss Ryan Leaf. For every "thought to be franchise QB" like Drew Bledso and Carson Palmer that never quit make it, there is a Joe Montana and Tom Brady that were decent but not great college QBs who get to the NFL and suddenly get it and the game becomes very easy.
RE: RE: How uplifting was Rosen?  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/10/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13857386 Beer Man said:
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8-5, 4-8, 6-6?

+1. I don't mean to be critical, but this was somewhat of a biased evaluation from someone who has started or contributed to several threads on why the team should draft Rosen. I get it, we all have our opinions where the team should go with the draft. I'm going to trust the experts to get it right. I'm confident they will conduct a comprehensive evaluation of all options before making their pick. As for me, I'm not in love with any one player and there are a number of scenarios that I would be very happy with (Rosen, Darnold, Barkley, trade-down, etc.). If after their evaluation, they decide Webb can be the guy going forward, I'll be happy with that as well.
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RE: RE: RE: Well  
Jay on the Island : 3/10/2018 10:29 am : link
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If we donít seriously upgrade our OL, it wonít matter because the qb will get killed. Plus, do you really want the number two pick to hold a clipboard for two years? What do you do with Eli? I donít think we can afford to draft a guy who wonít play a down for two years. We need players NOW.


This is a terrible way to draft. The draft isn't for NOW it is for the future. Eli has regressed over the past two years and he is 37. The Giants haven't drafted this high since taking LT. They are rarely in this position so they need to take advantage and get their QB now. Odds are that the rookie would sit behind most if not all of this year before taking over in a year when the cap savings for cutting Eli better favor the team.



So, I gotta ask this question: what was the Giants record in 1980 that got them the 2nd pick in the draft in 1981? I think it was 4-12. Did they have a QB they loved who was a former 1st round pick that had won 2 Super Bowls? No they didn't. The my selected a very talented LB when they had 3 very good LB on the roster. Why didn't they draft the best QB in the draft that year? Simms couldn't stay healthy, Brunner was an average player. Didn't they need a QB to take their offense to a new height?

They took the best player available....BPA.

It has been said that BPA is really best player available at a position of need. So let's look at some positions.

RB. We have Gallman and Perkins. Are they better than Barkley? No. They are cheaper than Barkley. Should NYG just sign McKinnon and draft Bo Scarborough instead? Is the committee approach a better idea?

OL. We have little secured talent. If we drafted Nelson would he be our best O Linemen? Yes he would. Can we get a guard in round 2 or 3....maybe but not as good as Nelson.

The problem we have is, the draft is a crap shoot. Barkley and Nelson are the best players in this draft. We have no idea which QB will be a start. They are all different.

Drafting a QB doesn't fix shit. You still have to develop him and surround him with talent.

Is there a generational talent at LB in this year's draft?
I find it perplexing  
Jay on the Island : 3/10/2018 10:34 am : link
that Giants fans don't realize that a great QB can overcome a lack of talent on the roster. Take a look at the 2011 team. The offensive line was a mess, they had the worst running game in the NFL, and their defense was ranked 31st. Sure the pass rush came alive during the playoff run but if it weren't for Eli that would have been a 4-12 team. Sure there are holes on the roster but every team has holes somewhere. Finding a QB is the most important hole to fill.
Kerry Colins  
giantsFC : 3/10/2018 12:41 pm : link
When did Accorsi say that? The guy took them to a superbowl w a crap team. He certainly could have won a Super Bowl, especially seeing what Trent differ did on the other side.
He also took an even crappier panthers team to the NFC championship one year. Iíd be perfectly ok w a Kerry Collins at QB when Eli departs. What I wonít be ok is years w qbís such as jay fielder, Mark Sanchez, Dave klinger, Heath shuler, Danny Kannell etc.
RE: Again  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/10/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13857364 Rjanyg said:
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How do you guys say that Indy won't take a QB? Luck didn't play last year and Brisett is a back up. You make it seem that their QB situation is better than ours and in reality it is worse.

We have a healthy 2 time super bowl champ and a young string armed QB heading into 2018. I understand our opportunity but Indy has way more questions at QB than we do.

Wow, talk about bias. Webb is somehow better than Brissett? Both are former 3rd round picks (Brissett 91st pick in 2016; Webb 87th pick in 2017), but Webb is a "young strong armed QB" but Brissett is a back-up. Got it.

And while there are certainly questions surrounding Luck's health, the reality is, he's 28 years old and ostensibly in the prime of his career. There's no guarantee that he'll be the same player if/when he returns from injury, but he obviously could. Meanwhile, Eli, while healthy, is 37. He will continue to get older. That's a certainty.

Anyone who thinks the Giants' QB situation is better than the Colts' is kidding themselves.
RE: RE: Again  
Rjanyg : 3/10/2018 1:20 pm : link
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How do you guys say that Indy won't take a QB? Luck didn't play last year and Brisett is a back up. You make it seem that their QB situation is better than ours and in reality it is worse.

We have a healthy 2 time super bowl champ and a young string armed QB heading into 2018. I understand our opportunity but Indy has way more questions at QB than we do.


Wow, talk about bias. Webb is somehow better than Brissett? Both are former 3rd round picks (Brissett 91st pick in 2016; Webb 87th pick in 2017), but Webb is a "young strong armed QB" but Brissett is a back-up. Got it.

And while there are certainly questions surrounding Luck's health, the reality is, he's 28 years old and ostensibly in the prime of his career. There's no guarantee that he'll be the same player if/when he returns from injury, but he obviously could. Meanwhile, Eli, while healthy, is 37. He will continue to get older. That's a certainty.

Anyone who thinks the Giants' QB situation is better than the Colts' is kidding themselves.


Dude, Luck isn't ready to throw a 20 yard pass right now. So, Brissett will be the starter next year as of right now. I understand Eli is getting old....90% of the threads started in BBI are arguments about trade Eli, cut Eli, keep Eli.....I read the threads. All I am trying to say is our QB situation isn't has bad as many teams. The biggest problem right now is the limited NFL game experience of Webb. I am not even saying " don't draft a QB at pick 2" but I am saying Barkley and Nelson are better players and fill needs too.

I do remember 2011 and how Eli carried out team to a Super Bowl victory even though our team had worts. I get that. Just please tell me who you take and trust your franchise with in the 1st round?

Rosen? Multiple concussions. Average college record.

Darnold? Fumbling issue, didn't play under Center

Allen? Accuracy issue, doesn't always get to 2nd read before moving out of the pocket

Mayfield? Height issue, spread Oriented, out of control

These QB's all have talent, I am not denying that but many scouts have said, 2 maybe great and 2 may be average or outright busts. Nobody knows, but maybe you do?
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If we donít seriously upgrade our OL, it wonít matter because the qb will get killed. Plus, do you really want the number two pick to hold a clipboard for two years? What do you do with Eli? I donít think we can afford to draft a guy who wonít play a down for two years. We need players NOW.


This is a terrible way to draft. The draft isn't for NOW it is for the future. Eli has regressed over the past two years and he is 37. The Giants haven't drafted this high since taking LT. They are rarely in this position so they need to take advantage and get their QB now. Odds are that the rookie would sit behind most if not all of this year before taking over in a year when the cap savings for cutting Eli better favor the team.



So, I gotta ask this question: what was the Giants record in 1980 that got them the 2nd pick in the draft in 1981? I think it was 4-12. Did they have a QB they loved who was a former 1st round pick that had won 2 Super Bowls? No they didn't. The my selected a very talented LB when they had 3 very good LB on the roster. Why didn't they draft the best QB in the draft that year? Simms couldn't stay healthy, Brunner was an average player. Didn't they need a QB to take their offense to a new height?

They took the best player available....BPA.

It has been said that BPA is really best player available at a position of need. So let's look at some positions.

RB. We have Gallman and Perkins. Are they better than Barkley? No. They are cheaper than Barkley. Should NYG just sign McKinnon and draft Bo Scarborough instead? Is the committee approach a better idea?

OL. We have little secured talent. If we drafted Nelson would he be our best O Linemen? Yes he would. Can we get a guard in round 2 or 3....maybe but not as good as Nelson.

The problem we have is, the draft is a crap shoot. Barkley and Nelson are the best players in this draft. We have no idea which QB will be a start. They are all different.

Drafting a QB doesn't fix shit. You still have to develop him and surround him with talent.


Is there a generational talent at LB in this year's draft?


Some think this Edmunds kid could be a generation talent. He is huge, fast and super young. Once he learns the game he will be a freak of a player.
Twitter Thread on Webb breaking down his game vs. WAS in 2017  
GiantsAlwaysAndForever : 3/10/2018 2:46 pm : link
In case you find this useful -- breaks down his game against the closest thing he's seen to an NFL defense...


Davis Webb vs. WAS 2016 game thread - ( New Window )
One wonders why Pittsburgh, San Diego, New England  
Bill L : 3/10/2018 4:58 pm : link
Arenít all freaking out and trading everything theyíve got to move up to the top of the draft.
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markky : 3/10/2018 10:22 pm : link
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Is most similar to Scott Brunner. He runs faster than the Blue Hen , but he is just as gangly and dorky.



correction. Fightin' Blue Hen
RE: One wonders why Pittsburgh, San Diego, New England  
Reb8thVA : 3/11/2018 8:07 am : link
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Arenít all freaking out and trading everything theyíve got to move up to the top of the draft.


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RE: One wonders why Pittsburgh, San Diego, New England  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/11/2018 8:46 am : link
In comment 13857986 Bill L said:
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Arenít all freaking out and trading everything theyíve got to move up to the top of the draft.

Up until a few months ago, New England thought they had Brady's successor in the fold. As for Pittsburgh and Los Angeles, Roethlisberger and Rivers are both a year younger than Eli, despite coming out in the same draft class.

There's also a huge difference between exhausting draft capital in the form of a massive trade up for a top QB prospect, and already being positioned to draft one of the top QB prospects by possessing the #2 overall pick.

If that's confusing to you, maybe you're not really understanding the situation.
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