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Why in the world do people believe Barkley is going number 1

I love liverwurst : 3/9/2018 10:02 pm
Cleveland is loaded up with decent talent at the WR position

Just picked up a stop gap QB from Buffalo

Regardless who their #1 QB is, I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts they have a guy they want.

The QB position is bar-none the most important position in all of football, probably all of sports. People here actually think Cleveland is going to risk losing what they feel is "their guy" to draft Barkley. I'm shocked at some of the comments here, I really am.

The real question is, what QB is Cleveland drafting with the 1st pick? Not are they drafting Barkley? If you believe anything else I have a bridge to sell you..

BTW, the Browns running game isn't that bad, if anything I think it can eventually be a strength on their team.. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with Isaiah Crowell
They're taking Mayfield  
Gmanfandan : 3/9/2018 10:04 pm : link
but with 4 not 1 - they take Barkley at 1
RE: They're taking Mayfield  
I love liverwurst : 3/9/2018 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13857011 Gmanfandan said:
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but with 4 not 1 - they take Barkley at 1


If they have Mayfield as their guy, they should get him at 1, why risk losing him.. That would be idiotic
What people?  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 10:09 pm : link
I think a fair amount on this board including me believe the Browns actions today make a clearer they will draft their franchise QB with the 1st overall pick.
The only way he does not go #1  
Vanzetti : 3/9/2018 10:10 pm : link
is if he skips his career altogether and goes straight to Canton.

Based on hype alone, he is sure-fire first ballot HOFer
RE: What people?  
I love liverwurst : 3/9/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13857020 GFAN52 said:
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I think a fair amount on this board including me believe the Browns actions today make a clearer they will draft their franchise QB with the 1st overall pick.



Lots of people here think Barkley goes 1,
RE: RE: What people?  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13857035 I love liverwurst said:
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In comment 13857020 GFAN52 said:


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I think a fair amount on this board including me believe the Browns actions today make a clearer they will draft their franchise QB with the 1st overall pick.




Lots of people here think Barkley goes 1,


But I bet a lot more don't think that's the case after today's Browns trades.
I agree that the chances of the Browns going QB at 1 increased today  
Bramton1 : 3/9/2018 10:20 pm : link
Taylor is a stopgap QB. Which means they do't expect their chosen QB to be ready Week 1. Which means they know exactly who they want. If you're making preparations for a specific QB, you either take him #1 or you're positive the Giants aren't taking him at #2, or the Giants aren't trading the pick to someone who would, or the Colts aren't trading their pick to someone who would. Since there is no way to be sure, it's likely the former.
RE: Why in the world ... Barkley is going number 1  
Trainmaster : 3/9/2018 10:28 pm : link
Because he is the BPA and they can get a QB at 4th overall or trade up to 3rd or 2nd overall to get a QB. If Barkley is available when the Giants pick at 2nd overall, they should run for the podium to pick him.
RE: RE: Why in the world ... Barkley is going number 1  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13857055 Trainmaster said:
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Because he is the BPA and they can get a QB at 4th overall or trade up to 3rd or 2nd overall to get a QB. If Barkley is available when the Giants pick at 2nd overall, they should run for the podium to pick him.


If you have a chance to select the top QB you select him at 1 so there is no concern what happens at picks 2 or 3.
Nobody knows what Cleveland is thinking  
Toastt34 : 3/9/2018 10:36 pm : link
But i would think that the likelihood of saquon going 1 went up today.

Tyrod allows them to compete this season, take the best player in the draft at 1 and still get a real good QB prospect to develop at 4. I think they love the idea of having all that speed with Tyrod and Saquon in the same backfield. Having a RB like Barkley will also help whatever QB they take similar to how Zeke helped Dak as well.

Tyrod may be a stopgap but he did lead his team to the playoffs this year and really is the best QB Cleveland has had since......

Trading Kizer made it pretty clear  
81_Great_Dane : 3/9/2018 10:37 pm : link
that they're going to draft a QB. But they could draft Barkley first and still get Allen, Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield at #4.

The Browns' acquisition of Taylor suggests that they don't expect to be playing a rookie QB to start the season. There'd be no reason to do that with Rosen or Mayfield. The Browns are already lousy, might as well play the new kid, UNLESS he's not NFL-ready. That sounds like Allen for sure, maybe Darnold or Mayfield.
RE: Nobody knows what Cleveland is thinking  
GFAN52 : 3/9/2018 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13857066 Toastt34 said:
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But i would think that the likelihood of saquon going 1 went up today.

Tyrod allows them to compete this season, take the best player in the draft at 1 and still get a real good QB prospect to develop at 4. I think they love the idea of having all that speed with Tyrod and Saquon in the same backfield. Having a RB like Barkley will also help whatever QB they take similar to how Zeke helped Dak as well.

Tyrod may be a stopgap but he did lead his team to the playoffs this year and really is the best QB Cleveland has had since......


I'd say the likelihood of Barkley being selected at 1 went down. A "good" QB prospect at 4 isn't same as the top QB prospect that they need as their franchise QB of the future they can and likely will select at 1.
Because he's the  
Phil in LA : 3/9/2018 10:49 pm : link
best player in the draft?
If the Browns did not have the 4th overall selection  
GmeninPSL : 3/9/2018 11:35 pm : link
of this draft I would agree with this post, but the fact there are easily 5 QB's that could turn out to be Franchise type QB's in the 2018 draft, the Browns would be the biggest fools in the history of the NFL if they did not select Barkley at #1

- If they only had one selection in the first round, it would not even be a question that they would be taking a QB
- If there were 1 or 2 potentially good QB's coming out in the same draft year, it would not even be a question that they would be taking a QB

But the fact remains, they are selecting #1 and #4 overall and unless they make a trade, they can have their cake and eat it too!!!!

RE: If you have a chance to select the top QB you select him at 1  
Trainmaster : 3/9/2018 11:52 pm : link
But what if the difference among the "top" QBs is not significant according to your team's assessment? Or what if you're convincing that none of the QBs are really "top QBs" worthy of the first overall pick?

QB at first overall pick? You could be getting the next Peyton Manning or John Elway or the next Jamarcus Russell (a can't miss prospect) or even a pedestrian Alex Smith.

I've heard "draft experts" say of Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Mayfield, 2 of 4 will pan out and 2 or 4 will be mediocre / busts. 50/50 chance.

I think there is a much higher chance than 50/50 chance that Barkley will be among the very top RBs in the league.
RE: If the Browns did not have the 4th overall selection  
bw in dc : 3/10/2018 12:28 am : link
In comment 13857179 GmeninPSL said:
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of this draft I would agree with this post, but the fact there are easily 5 QB's that could turn out to be Franchise type QB's in the 2018 draft, the Browns would be the biggest fools in the history of the NFL if they did not select Barkley at #1


In history? Really?

I think the last two misses on Wentz and Watson easily eclipse the issue of not taking a RB...
If the draft were starting in 10 minutes  
BlackLight : 3/10/2018 12:37 am : link
I would think that, more likely than not, Cleveland would be drafting Barkley at #1.

More likely than not, that's all I'm saying. If they didn't have the 4th pick, I would consider it a toss-up, at best.
Because he won't be there at 4  
moespree : 3/10/2018 12:42 am : link
And other QBs they may like will be?
The way Cleveland is moving and shaking  
George from PA : 3/10/2018 5:05 am : link
I am more convinced that they will try to move up....to secure both Barkley and their top QB....right now, I thinks it's Allen.
Betting dollars to doughnuts doesn't help with your point...  
Milton : 3/10/2018 5:20 am : link
A doughnut costs more than a dollar these days.
Taylor is not garbage  
Sy'56 : 3/10/2018 5:41 am : link
He has a 34-24 record...and he played for the Bills. 58+ winning percentage.

Eli Manning has a 52% winning percentage.
RE: Taylor is not garbage  
Giantology : 3/10/2018 5:51 am : link
In comment 13857246 Sy'56 said:
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He has a 34-24 record...and he played for the Bills. 58+ winning percentage.

Eli Manning has a 52% winning percentage.


Et tu, Sy?
RE: What people?  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/10/2018 5:51 am : link
In comment 13857020 GFAN52 said:
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I think a fair amount on this board including me believe the Browns actions today make a clearer they will draft their franchise QB with the 1st overall pick.


Pretty much everyone here thinks he goes #1, probably because he is
Look  
mdthedream : 3/10/2018 7:57 am : link
if Barkley is as good as Zeke than I have no problem with him at 1. The Browns can get a QB Three picks later or even trade up to the second or third pick.
This  
mdthedream : 3/10/2018 7:59 am : link
could be like arguing Rothlisberg,Eli or Rivers.
RE: They're taking Mayfield  
NikkiMac : 3/10/2018 8:31 am : link
In comment 13857011 Gmanfandan said:
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but with 4 not 1 - they take Barkley at 1


That wouldn’t be to smart on the browns part too much of a chance somebody trades with the Giants and colts and steals him ..... no way,if they covet Mayfield they would be smart to take him 1st and so far they’re GM has done everything right and then he’s going to get a brainfart no no no......
They will take Barkley 1  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/10/2018 8:37 am : link
Its the Browns, they f*** s*** up, it's what they do.

In all seriousness, any other legit franchise will have their guy at QB, who fits their system and vision and they can build around that qb's skill set and would not risk someone taking their guy at 2 or 3.
It really depends on the Browns QB evaluations  
Scyber : 3/10/2018 8:45 am : link
If they believe 1 QB is much better then the rest and and is the clear top QB, then they should draft that QB.

If they believe 2 QBs are roughly equal and would be fine with either, then they should draft Barkley.
- Then if one of their top QBs goes at #2, they should contact the Colts to trade up. They still have enough draft ammunition to probably outbid other suitors to move up one spot.
- If neither one of their top 2 QBs goes at #2, they should stand pat and wait for one of them to drop to #4

If they believe 3+ QBs are roughly equal and would be fine with any of them, then they should draft Barkley and just wait for (at least) one of those QBs to drop to #4.

It really depends on how the Browns evaluate the QBs. There doesn't seem to be a consensus #1 this draft, so it is very possible they have multiple QBs rated similarly.
Again  
I love liverwurst : 3/10/2018 8:50 am : link
what is wrong with Isaiah Crowell?
RE: Taylor is not garbage  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/10/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13857246 Sy'56 said:
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He has a 34-24 record...and he played for the Bills. 58+ winning percentage.

Eli Manning has a 52% winning percentage.

That said, it is hard to imagine that he is a guy that you build a franchise around. He's 28, depends on his legs and they got him for a third-round pick. Bills traded him even though their depth chart is now Nathan Peterman and Joe Webb.

He seems to be a bridge guy at best.
Because  
Joey in VA : 3/10/2018 9:06 am : link
He is? He's the drafts best player and Stan in LA hates him which means he has to be great.
If they like Mayfield  
AnnapolisMike : 3/10/2018 9:36 am : link
He will be there at 4.
Browns Could Draft Their QB @ 1...  
Jim in Tampa : 3/10/2018 9:46 am : link
And still get Barkley.

I think the Giants go QB at 2 and the 3rd overall could go to a team that wants the 3rd QB either Denver or the Jets.

The Browns could also swap places with the Colts and pick Barkley at 3.
RE: Again  
cokeduplt : 3/10/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13857335 I love liverwurst said:
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what is wrong with Isaiah Crowell?



He’s average and a free agent
RE: RE: If you have a chance to select the top QB you select him at 1  
FStubbs : 3/10/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13857198 Trainmaster said:
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But what if the difference among the "top" QBs is not significant according to your team's assessment? Or what if you're convincing that none of the QBs are really "top QBs" worthy of the first overall pick?

QB at first overall pick? You could be getting the next Peyton Manning or John Elway or the next Jamarcus Russell (a can't miss prospect) or even a pedestrian Alex Smith.

I've heard "draft experts" say of Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Mayfield, 2 of 4 will pan out and 2 or 4 will be mediocre / busts. 50/50 chance.

I think there is a much higher chance than 50/50 chance that Barkley will be among the very top RBs in the league.


Russell is a bad example. Everyone except the Raiders knew the guy had some talent (not great) but was much more likely to be a bust and only the Raiders saw him as worth the #1 overall pick.
RE: This  
FStubbs : 3/10/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13857288 mdthedream said:
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could be like arguing Rothlisberg,Eli or Rivers.


And if that's how they see it, and they have the #1 and the #4, then they take Barkley. Whoever is left at #4 they pick.
Taylor is NOT their answer at QB  
ZogZerg : 3/10/2018 10:24 am : link
And why do people keep comparing him to Eli?

This thread is on the money and the Browns will take a QB at #1. And the Giants will take a QB at #2 if there guy is still there.

RE: Browns Could Draft Their QB @ 1...  
I love liverwurst : 3/10/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13857404 Jim in Tampa said:
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And still get Barkley.

I think the Giants go QB at 2 and the 3rd overall could go to a team that wants the 3rd QB either Denver or the Jets.

The Browns could also swap places with the Colts and pick Barkley at 3.


Nail meet hammer! Bingo
Does anyone else think  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/10/2018 1:16 pm : link
that the signing of Tyrod Taylor suggests that the Browns will be looking for a similar QB in the upcoming draft? For example, Baker Mayfield? An offense built around Taylor's skillset would be an offense "tailored" to Mayfield as well.
RE: Does anyone else think  
ZogZerg : 3/10/2018 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13857709 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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that the signing of Tyrod Taylor suggests that the Browns will be looking for a similar QB in the upcoming draft? For example, Baker Mayfield? An offense built around Taylor's skillset would be an offense "tailored" to Mayfield as well.



Good point. That would make sense to do something like this. This leads to the Barkley 1 and Mayfield 4 idea that has been floated. Highly doubt Mayfield goes at 2 or 3 by another team so they could be safe doing this.
And what if the Giants take  
NikkiMac : 3/10/2018 3:13 pm : link
Mayfield at #2 let’s just pretend so then Cleveland who has #1 and #4 doesn’t get their guy at QB 😳they have to settle for not the guy they wanted ..... this works if Cleveland doesn’t give a shit about which QB they get it usually doesn’t work like that in the NFL but who knows
RE: RE: They're taking Mayfield  
Matt M. : 3/10/2018 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13857013 I love liverwurst said:
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In comment 13857011 Gmanfandan said:


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but with 4 not 1 - they take Barkley at 1
Thanks


If they have Mayfield as their guy, they should get him at 1, why risk losing him.. That would be idiotic
If Mayfield is really their guy, they would be stupid to take him 1 unless Nelson is their other guy. The Giants dont seem likely to take Mayfield and the 49ers arent taking a qb, so Barkley 1 and Mayfield 4 makes more sense.
Classic  
mrvax : 3/10/2018 3:22 pm : link
Brown's thinking says take Barkley at #1. New and hopefully better management says take the best QB you can get with the #1 pick.
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