around when the team is ready to compete for a Superbowl again. Also wonder how much this has to do with whatever was wrong with the secondary last year. Teams can't wait to get rid of him for whatever reason. Does help next season though.
He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.
they're that far apart, then he's likely to be cut, unless they agree he can earn more through incentives.
This is the purging that everyone knows was coming. FA starts in a few days. Teams are clearing cap space. The Giants are no different, especially given how awful they were last year. DRC is a prime candidate to be cut. Marshall and Jerry are likely next.
Players were suspended; players slacked off; a roster purge is needed. Who gives a shit if some guy who gets up limping every other play might be cut? The roster is rotten. Many more changes are coming.
yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.
Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.
DG will have a number in his mind of what he is willing to pay for many of the veterans. (It may not be the initial offer.)
No more back and forth angst. After a short negotiation, it will be "take it or be traded or cut".
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a very definite short term date when DRC has to decide.
DG probably has players prioritized and this is the first of several.
He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.
I hate comments like this. No offense meant. All I am saying is that if you like "a player" then that means one player and there is no guarantee that particular players would be available when we pick. As most front office people say, FA is used to fill holes so that you don't have any glaring needs going into the draft. The draft is for the future or long term.
that they have been using DRC as a nickel the last 2 seasons. He's not one. If they plan on starting Apple(God help us) they might as well cut DRC. That being said...he is infinitely better outside than Apple is.
For 8 mil is a bad deal but Richard Sherman with two bad wheels signs 3 year 39 mil contract? What about that guy name Eli can’t seem to get anyone to agree his contract is ridiculous. I see no reason why any Giants should take a pay cut if you don’t want me someone else does.
For 8 mil is a bad deal but Richard Sherman with two bad wheels signs 3 year 39 mil contract? What about that guy name Eli can’t seem to get anyone to agree his contract is ridiculous. I see no reason why any Giants should take a pay cut if you don’t want me someone else does.
Sherman’s deal is essentially one year and heavily incentive based
Get hung up on contract terms they know nothing about it seems. No contract in the NFL is really all that comparative as there’s a lot of funny money and bonus allocations. Sherman’s deal is essentially an incentive laden one year deal.
Giants need the cap space and DRC is getting up there and is no longer a starting corner. Not a hard call here folks.
Giants can easily give themselves lots more of cap room by cutting DRC, Marshall etc.
should accept the cut and play for the Giants. He’s not a heavy-duty Corner anymore. He’s advanced in years. There would be a market for him if he forced a release , but he wouldn’t get what he is scheduled to receive now . He might not be playing as much with the new team, either .
yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.
Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.
1 pass defended and 0 Ints. He may have lost a step.
For comparison....Snacks had 3 passes defended and 1 Int.
to be targeted is crazy. This is only the beginning. As they work their way through FA, the roster will become fluid. There will be a lot of coming and going I suspect.
Last week we heard the rumors that the Giants might be interested in Patrick Robinson - who has been regarded as a good slot defender for years and per the link below had a really good 2017 - and people said "too expensive" or "too old" or "going to get overpaid".
Meanwhile...DRC has primarily been in the slot CB for 2 years, he's a year older, and his cap number $8.5m.
My point on DRC would be this - I'm not opposed to keeping him, especially if they think they are going to dump Apple and put him back at his natural position outside, but he had a down year last year and there's a chance you can get a comparable or better player at less money. Anyone comparing that situation to the QB position is a moron because you don't need to look any further than whatever Kirk Cousins salary becomes than to realize it's not nearly the same with Eli Manning. NFL1000: Ranking the Top Slot Defenders of 2017 Season - ( New Window )
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He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.
Well... it helps that Brady's wife makes about 40 million a year more than Eli's wife. That kind of softens the blow for Brady.
And Montana? I think he retired the year that the NFL instituted the salary cap in 1994. I could be wrong, but Joe Montana didn't take any salary cut.
This is the purging that everyone knows was coming. FA starts in a few days. Teams are clearing cap space. The Giants are no different, especially given how awful they were last year. DRC is a prime candidate to be cut. Marshall and Jerry are likely next.
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Eli for a cut in salary......Tom Brady and Joe Montanna did it voluntarily for their teams.
Well... it helps that Brady's wife makes about 40 million a year more than Eli's wife. That kind of softens the blow for Brady.
And Montana? I think he retired the year that the NFL instituted the salary cap in 1994. I could be wrong, but Joe Montana didn't take any salary cut.
you act like Eli doesnt have a rich brother tho! he'd be okay if they knocked 10m off
And in the final year of his contract too
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He's still a really really good CB.
Is he really really good at this point?
yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.
Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.
...to take a fucking cut in pay?
Just asking.
Unlike lazy incompetent Reese
No more back and forth angst. After a short negotiation, it will be "take it or be traded or cut".
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a very definite short term date when DRC has to decide.
DG probably has players prioritized and this is the first of several.
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He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.
I hate comments like this. No offense meant. All I am saying is that if you like "a player" then that means one player and there is no guarantee that particular players would be available when we pick. As most front office people say, FA is used to fill holes so that you don't have any glaring needs going into the draft. The draft is for the future or long term.
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Eli's salary. Overpaid.
wonder why Eli is never asked to take a significant pay cut. all the reasons they want DRC to are the same reasons Eli should
except DRC is better at his position than Eli is
Lmao holy shitfuck you have rice and eggs on the brain...
I thought the compensatory pick gave us seven and then we lost a net of one in the recent trade?
I thought the compensatory pick gave us seven and then we lost a net of one in the recent trade?
We traded a fourth (comp pick) and a sixth for Ogletree.
I thought the compensatory pick gave us seven and then we lost a net of one in the recent trade?
The 7th is for next year, I believe.
Only problem with DRC is, he is a year older, is this the year he loses a step, and his ability to play 16 games....
Paying him under 7M is a good deal....it becomes a bad deal when he is standing on the sidelines....
If they are seriously thinking of cutting DRC, then maybe it's time to blow it up and make some Serious cuts....
Sherman’s deal is essentially one year and heavily incentive based
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He's still a really really good CB.
Is he really really good at this point?
Yes.
It would be nice to see him sacrifice a few mil though.
I like DRC but aging DB’s are a dime a dozen. Cut the pay or send him packing.
It would be nice to see him sacrifice a few mil though.
I like DRC but aging DB’s are a dime a dozen. Cut the pay or send him packing.
Name one aging CB as good as DRC we can get for under $6 mil
Giants need the cap space and DRC is getting up there and is no longer a starting corner. Not a hard call here folks.
Giants can easily give themselves lots more of cap room by cutting DRC, Marshall etc.
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He's still a really really good CB.
Is he really really good at this point?
yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.
Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.
1 pass defended and 0 Ints. He may have lost a step.
For comparison....Snacks had 3 passes defended and 1 Int.
Only problem with DRC is, he is a year older, is this the year he loses a step, and his ability to play 16 games....
Paying him under 7M is a good deal....it becomes a bad deal when he is standing on the sidelines....
If they are seriously thinking of cutting DRC, then maybe it's time to blow it up and make some Serious cuts....
Yeah, Cockrell probably doesn't fit the new defense.
Meanwhile...DRC has primarily been in the slot CB for 2 years, he's a year older, and his cap number $8.5m.
My point on DRC would be this - I'm not opposed to keeping him, especially if they think they are going to dump Apple and put him back at his natural position outside, but he had a down year last year and there's a chance you can get a comparable or better player at less money. Anyone comparing that situation to the QB position is a moron because you don't need to look any further than whatever Kirk Cousins salary becomes than to realize it's not nearly the same with Eli Manning.
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