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Could Buffalo already have a trade lined up?

Chris L. : 3/11/2018 10:18 am
You do not trade your starting QB without the backup plan completely locked up. Now with Cousins going to Minnesota it is looking more and more like Buffalo may have a deal into the top 5 picks already lined up. It will be interesting to see if the Bills sign a free agent QB as soon as free agency starts. I just don't see them doing all of this for anyone other than Cousins. Case Keenum??? Sam Bradford??? I just don't see it. If its not a free agent QB then it must be a trade up in the draft. Remember, you simply do not trade your starting QB without the solution locked in. If they don't sign a free agent QB early in free agency it could very well mean the trade to move up has already been agreed to. If they are trading up...I hope it is not with us. We need to get our franchise QB.
Thank you, Chris..  
Sean : 3/11/2018 10:20 am : link
It is amazing the amount of posters on here that are open with trading with the Bills.

Stay at 2 & take either the best QB or Barkley. Swing for the fences.
Nick Foles  
GeoMan999 : 3/11/2018 10:20 am : link
A trade is another option.
Geo  
Chris L. : 3/11/2018 10:23 am : link
Agreed that could be it but I don't see the Eagles trading Foles right away. They will need him to start the season.
There is zero chance that DG  
Dave on the UWS : 3/11/2018 10:23 am : link
trades ALL the way down to 21. He would have to just about get every pick Buffalo has for the next 2 drafts to consider it.
I actually think the likely  
Chris L. : 3/11/2018 10:27 am : link
trade partner would be Cleveland with the No. 4 pick. The Browns maximize the value of their two picks by going QB at #1 and trading out at #4 to a team desperate for a QB. Plus, the Browns can not get cute with the QB pick...they are going QB with the first pick.
Bridgewater played well before getting hurt....should also be in play  
George from PA : 3/11/2018 10:28 am : link
If Giants, they better trade back twice before dealing with buffalo.

To far down imo
They would've released Taylor anyway...  
Milton : 3/11/2018 10:29 am : link
...if they couldn't find a trading partner. They benched him during the year and the only reason he returned was because the rookie who replaced him shit the bed. I'm guessing they can't believe their lucky stars that they got the 65th overall pick in return for him.
RE: There is zero chance that DG  
Jimmy Googs : 3/11/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13858460 Dave on the UWS said:
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trades ALL the way down to 21. He would have to just about get every pick Buffalo has for the next 2 drafts to consider it.


also zero chance anybody on this board knows what DG might do...
Chris L...  
M.S. : 3/11/2018 10:32 am : link

...well reasoned.

And I'm with you, stay at #2 and make the best QB pick possible to replace Eli (whenever that occurs).
OK  
mdthedream : 3/11/2018 10:35 am : link
Do you think if the Giants get the Bills two first round picks and more this year and next years first. That the Bills will be a top team next season? I don't I think bottom 10 without a QB that has experience. I would not trade with them but would not cry about it if we did. I also wouldn't mind if we trade to 4 than back to Buff it we can get all the extra picks and next years first.
As one Buffalo writer put it...  
Milton : 3/11/2018 10:44 am : link
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It was quite the coup for Brandon Beane. Getting a top 65 pick for a quarterback no one believed would be on the team's opening day roster in 2018 was a tremendous return for the Bills.
Ernie Accorsi said it best:  
johnnyb : 3/11/2018 10:45 am : link
When you have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB, draft him. Hoping it will be a long time before you are drafting in this position. Being close to Accorsi, I would think DG has the same thought process. I would be shocked if we do not draft a QB.
Chris, I like your hypothesis about the Bills.  
yatqb : 3/11/2018 10:46 am : link
And I too would be shocked if DG traded down to 21/22. We need our next QB.

So, unless DG is convinced that Webb is the answer and thus doesn't feel the need to go QB at 2, a trade down doesn't make sense.

Of course, if DG feels that Webb is the answer, a trade down that lands a ton of Buffalo picks might make good sense. Between the OBJ trade (jk) and this, we'd restock quickly.
RE: As one Buffalo writer put it...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/11/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 13858478 Milton said:
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It was quite the coup for Brandon Beane. Getting a top 65 pick for a quarterback no one believed would be on the team's opening day roster in 2018 was a tremendous return for the Bills.



Browns gonna Brown. I wonder if they are already regretting the trade lol
Call me crrazy  
jtgiants : 3/11/2018 10:53 am : link
I think buffalo is the perfect trading partner for us. I've stated why a million times and won't repost but I stand by my reasoning. I really think its a better option then most realize when you factor in the complexity of the giants situation right now
I don't know why  
GiantTuff1 : 3/11/2018 10:53 am : link
but I see Mayfield as a welcome addition to the Bills mafia.

He can cut wrestling style promos while fans are body slamming each other through tables.

Sounds about right to me.
Also  
jtgiants : 3/11/2018 10:55 am : link
If we stay at 2 its far from a given we go qb
Bills  
Sammo85 : 3/11/2018 10:58 am : link
Don’t have enough trade capital to get up to 2. They’d need to trade up into the early teens and still have to give up a ton of picks for us to do it.

I do see Beane and Gettleman at least having some discussions about the possibility.
I dont necessarily agree.  
Brown Recluse : 3/11/2018 11:01 am : link
Lining up a trade now would be foolish, unless they already know what teams in front of them are doing. I think its too early.
"I just dont see"  
twostepgiants : 3/11/2018 11:01 am : link
Is not very convincing logic
I doubt anyone has anything set in stone  
Mike from Ohio : 3/11/2018 11:09 am : link
Prior to free agency. Why would you lock yourself into something when you don't know what your roster will look like when the draft begins. I would expect the trades are largely done for now and teams let free agency shake out first, get through the pro days, and then firm up their draft strategy.
Great post. Chris  
ZogZerg : 3/11/2018 11:14 am : link
They must have something locked up.
I'm guessing one of the FA QBs
RE: There is zero chance that DG  
DavidinBMNY : 3/11/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13858460 Dave on the UWS said:
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trades ALL the way down to 21. He would have to just about get every pick Buffalo has for the next 2 drafts to consider it.


Dave - I agree.

I do think regardless of what top 10 potential partner Buffalo trades with, they are all going to feel that way. So I look for Buffalo to start inching up the board, taking advantage of teams needing picks.

The most likely initial move they make, assuming Arizona signs a QB, is up to 15. Arizona only has 4 picks. They do have 3 top 100 picks but 4 is tough on a roster.

So I think Buffalo will move up from 22 to 15 or something like that to position the team for more flexibility in moving further up or making another strike coming up. They could do that with 22 and 65 for example.


RE: Call me crrazy  
Eman11 : 3/11/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 13858487 jtgiants said:
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I think buffalo is the perfect trading partner for us. I've stated why a million times and won't repost but I stand by my reasoning. I really think its a better option then most realize when you factor in the complexity of the giants situation right now


Ok, you're crazy.

DG already said he's looking for a HOF type player with the #2 pick. He's not getting one by trading back that far with Buffalo.

I not saying there aren't some advantages to trading back and getting a boat load of picks, but DG is going for a Home Run with his first pick as Giants GM, and I don't see him trading back that far if at all.
Looking at the value Board for a Giants/Bills trade  
Spirit of '86 : 3/11/2018 12:12 pm : link
The Giants 1st round pick #2, is worth 2600 points on value Board.

The Bills 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 56th, 65th and 96th picks are worth 2,671 points.

You'd at least have to seriously consider trading the #2 pick for two 1s, two 2s, and two 3s this year.

That would be like getting two extra years of premium pick drafts.

Two 1s, three 2s, and three 3s this year could go a long way to rebuilding the roster.
I would do it. I would not want to dilute this year's haul to take 2019 picks.
RE: Looking at the value Board for a Giants/Bills trade  
PatersonPlank : 3/11/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13858612 Spirit of '86 said:
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The Giants 1st round pick #2, is worth 2600 points on value Board.

The Bills 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 56th, 65th and 96th picks are worth 2,671 points.

You'd at least have to seriously consider trading the #2 pick for two 1s, two 2s, and two 3s this year.

That would be like getting two extra years of premium pick drafts.

Two 1s, three 2s, and three 3s this year could go a long way to rebuilding the roster.
I would do it. I would not want to dilute this year's haul to take 2019 picks.


I agree with this. We have lots of holes, and 8 premium picks could net us as many as lets say 6 starters and a few key backups. It absolutely has to be considered. Anyone saying GM will definitely do this or that doesn't have a clue. A trade like this would absolutely be on the table.
RE: RE: Looking at the value Board for a Giants/Bills trade  
Eman11 : 3/11/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13858708 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13858612 Spirit of '86 said:


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The Giants 1st round pick #2, is worth 2600 points on value Board.

The Bills 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 56th, 65th and 96th picks are worth 2,671 points.

You'd at least have to seriously consider trading the #2 pick for two 1s, two 2s, and two 3s this year.

That would be like getting two extra years of premium pick drafts.

Two 1s, three 2s, and three 3s this year could go a long way to rebuilding the roster.
I would do it. I would not want to dilute this year's haul to take 2019 picks.



I agree with this. We have lots of holes, and 8 premium picks could net us as many as lets say 6 starters and a few key backups. It absolutely has to be considered. Anyone saying GM will definitely do this or that doesn't have a clue. A trade like this would absolutely be on the table.


I'd say its a pretty good clue when the GM himself says he wants a HOF type player with the #2 pick.
And if we take this haul from buffalo  
yankeeslover : 3/11/2018 1:38 pm : link
Who exactly is our QB? Guys, Eli will be 38. I love the prospect of accumulating picks, but I think we are just as qb needy of a team as the next. How many more years do you guys think we can roll the dice with Manning?
Some of you are overthinking this.  
Keith : 3/11/2018 1:41 pm : link
Buffalo, NY Jets, Minny, Cleveland, Chi, San fran, ...what do these teams(plus others) have in common? They have been mired in mediocrity for long periods of time because they don't have a QB and they are all trying to get their QB. We are in a favorable position with a really old franchise QB at the end and a few blue chip QB prospects in the draft while we hold the 2nd pick. It makes no sense to put ourselves in a position where we are the ones chasing that franchise QB, whether it's signing a mediocre QB like cousins to major money, trading a 2nd round pick for Garroppolo and then paying him 150M or trying to trade up into our spot to take one of these guys. Just take your guy and build around him. It's that simple.
RE: RE: There is zero chance that DG  
Jay in Toronto : 3/11/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13858469 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13858460 Dave on the UWS said:


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trades ALL the way down to 21. He would have to just about get every pick Buffalo has for the next 2 drafts to consider it.



also zero chance anybody on this board knows what DG might do...


Thank You!!!!!!
Amen  
yankeeslover : 3/11/2018 1:46 pm : link
Thank you. This is what I am trying to say. We are in prime position to grab our next QB. Who knows who it is or if he will work out, but this chance doesn't come up often. I rather have my qb of the future locked up then have a bunch of extra draft picks saved up. Teams spend decades looking for a qb. We may have golden opportunity to go from one franchise qb to the next.
Or, he may flame out, but it's worth the chance.
Buffalo may have a deal in place...  
GFAN52 : 3/11/2018 1:46 pm : link
I'm thinking the with the Colts at 3 or the Browns at 4.
Not to mention,  
Keith : 3/11/2018 1:48 pm : link
people talk like the guys we'd be drafting from those Buffalo picks would all be hits. 50% of them will prob be out of the NFL in 3 years. We'd be lucky if any of them turned into star players. People are really overthinking this.
RE: Some of you are overthinking this.  
Rudy5757 : 3/11/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13858747 Keith said:
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Buffalo, NY Jets, Minny, Cleveland, Chi, San fran, ...what do these teams(plus others) have in common? They have been mired in mediocrity for long periods of time because they don't have a QB and they are all trying to get their QB. We are in a favorable position with a really old franchise QB at the end and a few blue chip QB prospects in the draft while we hold the 2nd pick. It makes no sense to put ourselves in a position where we are the ones chasing that franchise QB, whether it's signing a mediocre QB like cousins to major money, trading a 2nd round pick for Garroppolo and then paying him 150M or trying to trade up into our spot to take one of these guys. Just take your guy and build around him. It's that simple.


This. If you feel good about a qb you take him. If you do not feel good trade the pick and get as many premium picks as you can. DG has a handle of the players in this draft and at what point he feels like the talent drops. If there are 5 non Qbs and you think 2 Qbs will be taken early you can still trade to 7 and get one of the 5 players. If here are only 3 players worth a top pick you can drop to 5 assuming 2 Qbs will be taken.

I for 1 think Eli is done so we will need a qb or will be in a similar position next year. You can win with an average team and a good qb but we are a below average team currently and an average at best qb. If we don't go qb DG better have a handle on next year's tractable Qbs because we will be drafting in the top 10 again. This team is a mess.
RE: Looking at the value Board for a Giants/Bills trade  
TheVette : 3/11/2018 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13858612 Spirit of '86 said:
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The Giants 1st round pick #2, is worth 2600 points on value Board.

The Bills 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 56th, 65th and 96th picks are worth 2,671 points.

You'd at least have to seriously consider trading the #2 pick for two 1s, two 2s, and two 3s this year.

That would be like getting two extra years of premium pick drafts.

Two 1s, three 2s, and three 3s this year could go a long way to rebuilding the roster.
I would do it. I would not want to dilute this year's haul to take 2019 picks.


I'm with you on this - and have been for a while. I think they may be able to grab a premium (round 1-3 pick next year as well). 12 picks between rounds 1-3, including some FA signings this year - mostly next year when a lot more $$$ comes off the books, and you have the foundation for an accelerated rebuild. This team has holes in so many spots - this would be the best way IMO to finally turn over a roster and stock with young players to make up for the poor drafting of Reese over the years.
RE: RE: Looking at the value Board for a Giants/Bills trade  
blueblood : 3/11/2018 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13858708 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13858612 Spirit of '86 said:


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The Giants 1st round pick #2, is worth 2600 points on value Board.

The Bills 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 56th, 65th and 96th picks are worth 2,671 points.

You'd at least have to seriously consider trading the #2 pick for two 1s, two 2s, and two 3s this year.

That would be like getting two extra years of premium pick drafts.

Two 1s, three 2s, and three 3s this year could go a long way to rebuilding the roster.
I would do it. I would not want to dilute this year's haul to take 2019 picks.



I agree with this. We have lots of holes, and 8 premium picks could net us as many as lets say 6 starters and a few key backups. It absolutely has to be considered. Anyone saying GM will definitely do this or that doesn't have a clue. A trade like this would absolutely be on the table.


If they could squeeze them for another pick next year.no less than a #2 and I would push for a #1..

I would do the trade in a heartbeat.. The Giants have lots of holes.. also these picks are a lower cost... They can really help the roster.. both starters and depth....
RE: Geo  
TommyWiseau : 3/11/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13858459 Chris L. said:
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Agreed that could be it but I don't see the Eagles trading Foles right away. They will need him to start the season.


If they get the right offer they will move him. His trade value is at it's peak, It's only down from here
Just for the record.....  
Spirit of '86 : 3/11/2018 6:45 pm : link
I posted the value chart to point out what a trade might look like but I'd rather draft the QB at #2 now if the team is willing to jettison Eli now. I do not want to have the equivalent of 6 premium players (granted a few wouldn't pan out) playing somewhere else while our #2 holds a clipboard for 2 years. This team with Eli has been awful 3 out of the last four years. While Eli looked good at times, he was really bad in the Rams game even before it got out of hand.
RE: Just for the record.....  
TheVette : 3/11/2018 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13859163 Spirit of '86 said:
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I posted the value chart to point out what a trade might look like but I'd rather draft the QB at #2 now if the team is willing to jettison Eli now. I do not want to have the equivalent of 6 premium players (granted a few wouldn't pan out) playing somewhere else while our #2 holds a clipboard for 2 years. This team with Eli has been awful 3 out of the last four years. While Eli looked good at times, he was really bad in the Rams game even before it got out of hand.


Well if they decide to keep Eli, then I'm not sure why they would not seriously consider trading down. The decision on Eli comes down to having him restructure IMO. If they get rid of him - then yes - take the QB at #2.

I have seen a lot of comparisons to 2004, when Eli was the Kurt Warner and Rosen/Darnold was the Eli. IMO - what made that work was having Tiki running for 1600, 1700,1800 yards while Eli grew into the role. I do not see that type of back at all on this team now.
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