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battttles : 3/11/2018 11:09 am
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RE: RE: Man there are people really kidding themselves about what this team is  
giantsFC : 3/11/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13858885 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 13858711 Go Terps said:


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Truth. But you Never know what can be rebuilt by adding tough hard working system players cheaper than the divas that infested this current roster. They could be competitive quickly or stink for 20 years.


Yup. And that's why ownership was right to clean house rather than have Reese and co continue in win now mode.
RE: Patricia Traina  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/11/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13858909 Emil said:
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Reports that her sources told her at the combine that we should expect Gettleman to make a run on CBs during FA and the draft. Looks like heíll have to now.

Also, he did the same in Carolina.

Fitzpatrick has got to be on the short list, right?


Why move a fine safety to corner? If he were a cover man, he'd have been one in Saban's defense.
RE: ...  
Joey in VA : 3/11/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13858833 Eric from BBI said:
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Is Eli now just being kept for a 1-year transition to the next QB? Because it seems like they are starting to blow this up.
Blow what up? This team is essentially the Hindenburg, blowing up something that's on fire doesn't really make it worse. The team and culture got bad in a hurry, this is a positive move.
Not to get political,  
chopperhatch : 3/11/2018 3:30 pm : link
But this season>postseason is just like the election last year. Leading up to it everybody became a political analyst and started following the news and breaking down decisions with their newly contrived political dogmas. I couldnt WAIT for it to be over because of that sorta like it felt like an eternity waiting for the Giants season to end. Now that the election is over, it is even worse with both sides fighting each other and labeling each other as _______. Now that the season is over, and despite getting exactly what we wanted (Mac and Reese both gone and a high draft pick with potentially all of the potential QB options OR the best draft prospect in over a decade available when we pick, we are wringing our hands over a 31 y/o CB who is coming off a down year who didnt accept a pay cut.


Jesus fucking Christ, come back to Earth. This was not a good team. Only one team had a worse record than ours. There has to be a reckoning.
Eric  
wgenesis123 : 3/11/2018 3:31 pm : link
Don't see how anyone can answer that question until we know who is in line to replace Eli. Webb, maybe. A draft choice in 2018 perhaps but there is no clear picture until DG makes it clear to all of us.
It's about the money ...  
Manny in CA : 3/11/2018 3:36 pm : link

He still has ALL-PRO ability, but this is a "one year early rather than one year too late move", AND it's a "shot over the bow" signal to anybody else who has shown any sign of "dragging their ass".

I would forcefully disagree that this is a nod of confidence for Apple. This guy's a full-blow neurotic who has never shown 1st round type performance either in college or the pros. He's on a thin thread.

If anything it's an acknowledgement that Cockrell may the answer (at a lot cheaper price).
The move by itself is neither good nor bad  
UberAlias : 3/11/2018 3:37 pm : link
Itís a piece but we need to see rest of the puzzle. I do wish they could have gotten something for him in a deal though. Who knows if that was explored.
Not many 32 year old slot CB's are worth $8.5M...  
Torrag : 3/11/2018 3:38 pm : link
...personally I like DRC because he's versatile and athletic. That said he's aging and is often dinged up.
RE: Next play DRC  
est1986 : 3/11/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13858815 brunswick said:
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Makes will be his first...see ya DRC


11 interceptions in his first 3 years with us but none last year... He was our best defender in 2014 and 2015 and he made the all-pro team in 2016..

Next knowledgeable post you make ... will be your first
RE: Not to get political,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/11/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13858922 chopperhatch said:
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But this season>postseason is just like the election last year. Leading up to it everybody became a political analyst and started following the news and breaking down decisions with their newly contrived political dogmas. I couldnt WAIT for it to be over because of that sorta like it felt like an eternity waiting for the Giants season to end. Now that the election is over, it is even worse with both sides fighting each other and labeling each other as _______. Now that the season is over, and despite getting exactly what we wanted (Mac and Reese both gone and a high draft pick with potentially all of the potential QB options OR the best draft prospect in over a decade available when we pick, we are wringing our hands over a 31 y/o CB who is coming off a down year who didnt accept a pay cut.


Jesus fucking Christ, come back to Earth. This was not a good team. Only one team had a worse record than ours. There has to be a reckoning.


Kind of what a discussion board does.
I have a feeling we fans have continually overrated DRC...  
Milton : 3/11/2018 4:03 pm : link
...it seems that every year there have been whispers that he would be released and this year it finally happened. In fact, you can go all the way back to when the Giants first signed him to a contract that was for far less money than he was predicted to get at the outset of free agency that year. It's as if the fans (myself included) and media are seeing one guy while management and coaches are seeing another.
Corners  
bc4life : 3/11/2018 4:05 pm : link
always look better when there is an effective pass rush.
Josh Jackson is probably out of reach...  
Milton : 3/11/2018 4:10 pm : link
But Isaiah Oliver, Mike Hughes, Jaire Alexander, and Carlton Davis could all be in the mix with the 34th pick. And there are some interesting CBs to choose from well into Day 3. It's not a bad year for CB.
RE: Man there are people really kidding themselves about what this team is  
Victor in CT : 3/11/2018 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13858711 Go Terps said:
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you ain't kidding Terps. This team has had 5 bad years out of 6 and people are crying about cutting an aging high $$ CB.
RE: I have a feeling we fans have continually overrated DRC...  
WillVAB : 3/11/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13858970 Milton said:
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...it seems that every year there have been whispers that he would be released and this year it finally happened. In fact, you can go all the way back to when the Giants first signed him to a contract that was for far less money than he was predicted to get at the outset of free agency that year. It's as if the fans (myself included) and media are seeing one guy while management and coaches are seeing another.


Itís a cap issue not a talent issue. If it was a talent issue they wouldnít have asked him to take a pay cut. They wouldíve just cut him.
1986  
brunswick : 3/11/2018 4:19 pm : link
DRC stunk last year. I don't care what he did 2-3 years ago. If they let Cockrell walk...that's a reason to be upset...not getting rid of DRC and saving significant $$$.
RE: RE: I have a feeling we fans have continually overrated DRC...  
Milton : 3/11/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13858982 WillVAB said:
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Itís a cap issue not a talent issue. If it was a talent issue they wouldnít have asked him to take a pay cut. They wouldíve just cut him.

Without knowing what kind of pay cut they were asking him to accept, you really can't say that for sure. Time will tell when we see how much money DRC gets on the open market and how much the Giants spend on his replacement.
Bc4  
brunswick : 3/11/2018 4:22 pm : link
So true...the lack of pass rush with this team (especially rushing 4 guys) is hard to believe. An edge rusher is just as important as fixing the Oline.
Great  
Mr. Nickels : 3/11/2018 4:22 pm : link
move.

Hope we can still trade Apple for some line help or picks.
RE: BBI demands change  
allstarjim : 3/11/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13858767 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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BBI frets after the change occurs

Pretty sure they know what they are doing and why they are doing it.


It's almost as if BBI is a collective of different people with differing ideas and opinions.
Brunswick  
bc4life : 3/11/2018 4:33 pm : link
Hopefully Moss can help there.

All the money they tied up at DE - nowhere close to decent return on their investment.
I didnt  
NJGiantFan84 : 3/11/2018 4:36 pm : link
Think they would release him with one year left and Appleís struggles. I stand corrected.
Apple had decent rookie year  
bc4life : 3/11/2018 4:40 pm : link
Struggled last year and some maturity issues exposed. However, he has talent.

When you have a shaky coaching regime - the flaws get exposed quicker. They get a decent pass rush - and some off season head clearing - I think he'll be okay.
RE: ...  
M.S. : 3/11/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13858833 Eric from BBI said:
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Is Eli now just being kept for a 1-year transition to the next QB? Because it seems like they are starting to blow this up.

If the Giants go QB at #2, then the answer is, "Sir, yes Sir!"
RE: RE: BBI demands change  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/11/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13858997 allstarjim said:
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In comment 13858767 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:

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BBI frets after the change occurs

Pretty sure they know what they are doing and why they are doing it.


It's almost as if BBI is a collective of different people with differing ideas and opinions.
That's more than fair.
RE: At some point  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/11/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13858563 Matt in SGS said:
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Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.

If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.


This.

This idea that we are a couple of players away is laughable.
RE: 1986  
Rory : 3/11/2018 5:25 pm : link
In comment 13858988 brunswick said:
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DRC stunk last year. I don't care what he did 2-3 years ago. If they let Cockrell walk...that's a reason to be upset...not getting rid of DRC and saving significant $$$.


Pretty sure his level of play and the dissension in the locker room were hand in hand. DRC loved being a Giant and played hard when called upon. Show some fucking class.
Dave in Hobo  
ryanmkeane : 3/11/2018 5:32 pm : link
we went 11-5 and made the playoffs with basically the same team. How are we so far off being a playoff team?
He was a 31 year old corner  
bc4life : 3/11/2018 5:33 pm : link
with a 6m cap hit. And, they have another expensive corner and a rookie they will have to make a decision on.

There will be others let go: Hart (already gone), Pugh, Richburg, Darkwa, Marshall, Fluker, Wynn, Bromley, Casillas, Herzlich (possible), maybe Berhe.

Biggest question, IMO, which OL are salvageable. More sepcifically, which OL do the new staff view as talented enough to provide value.
Apple has talent?  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/11/2018 5:56 pm : link
Talent aside, he has poor instincts. Cannot remember seeing a cornerback with less instincts as far as looking back for the ball or taking poorer angles. Mechanics can be corrected, instincts rarely.
RE: ...  
NikkiMac : 3/11/2018 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13858833 Eric from BBI said:
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Is Eli now just being kept for a 1-year transition to the next QB? Because it seems like they are starting to blow this up.


Eliís agent was smart to put in no trade clause because if I was GM I would have tried to trade him then get a bridge QB to transition to rookie somebody nobody has much allegiance to instead of another possible Eli PR nightmare if Eli and the team flounder early next season
redwwhite  
bc4life : 3/11/2018 6:04 pm : link
that's why it will be critical for DC to put him in best position to succeed.

And, you have to help him with pass rush.
Agreed.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/11/2018 7:13 pm : link
Developing a pass rush will be critical.
RE: Great  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/11/2018 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13858994 Mr. Nickels said:
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move.

Hope we can still trade Apple for some line help or picks.


Trading him would cost cap space. There's really nothing you can do with him.
Don't understand why DRC was demoted to slot corner taking  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 3/11/2018 9:08 pm : link
about half the snaps after a six pick, 2nd team all-pro year.

Don't understand why he didn't replace Apple as outside corner after Apple lost the Eagle game with two blatant PI calls.

Of no use to second guess the front office.

To paraphrase Parcells, the front office is as good as the team's record says it is.

Let the new guys make their personnel calls and we'll see what the result is.
I like DRC  
Les in TO : 3/11/2018 9:31 pm : link
But he is more of a finesse corner and the whispers about attitude have been prevalent
The reason why DRC was in the slot,  
Doomster : 3/11/2018 9:42 pm : link
was because Apple could not play the slot....he was better suited for the CB position.....
WE still don't know what direction they are going....  
Doomster : 3/11/2018 9:45 pm : link
The signing of Ogletree leans you in one direction, and the DRC cut leans you in another...
We were 3-13 with him  
HomerJones45 : 3/11/2018 10:59 pm : link
we can go 3-13 without him and save the cap hit.
RE: WE still don't know what direction they are going....  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/12/2018 12:01 am : link
In comment 13859304 Doomster said:
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The signing of Ogletree leans you in one direction, and the DRC cut leans you in another...


Not really. They wonít to win more. And if you can add two FA OL instead of 1 by cutting DRC is it a really bad move? We need to wait an see but If he canít play starter snaps why pay him starter money? He hasnít played as a starter in 2 years. Perfect example was vs Green Bay in the playoffs. Je got hurt early and IMO it really affected the D. This is no different than if they donít re-sign Pugh. Never mind the cluster fuck the secondary became . He was part of that meltdown. Maybe not all of his making but the hysteria over cutting him seems a bit out of proportion when looking at his snaps, age and the situation

People seem to love analytics and often swear by them until a guy they like is cut. An aging vet whose career here was filled w all kinds of dings and small Nagging injuries whose snaps had to be controlled is released. How can anyone be surprised or confused?

People here wanted Belichick back and this is exactly what he would do and when he does it no ever accuses him of not wanting to win.
RE: We were 3-13 with him  
Harvest Blend : 3/12/2018 9:06 am : link
In comment 13859354 HomerJones45 said:
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we can go 3-13 without him and save the cap hit.


So cut Harrison too?

This is the first move since Gettleman got here that I don't get.
It's "easier" for a young CB to play outside  
JonC : 3/12/2018 9:12 am : link
because they have the boundary as a helper, thus Apple was plugged in outside to help him adjust to the NFL game. The added bonus was playing slot reduced DRC's reps at a time where he was getting banged up on the wrong side of 30, and it was part of the friction with the coaches.

It's not complex.
Look at it this way  
JonC : 3/12/2018 9:14 am : link
they're going to try and use the cap savings to rebuild the OL. Finite cap means tough decisions.
RE: RE: We were 3-13 with him  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/12/2018 9:14 am : link
In comment 13859528 Harvest Blend said:
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In comment 13859354 HomerJones45 said:


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we can go 3-13 without him and save the cap hit.



So cut Harrison too?

This is the first move since Gettleman got here that I don't get.
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Whatís isnít there or get? Heís physically incapable of playing more than part time. Always dinged up. Hasnít been a starter for two years. Find a 3rd CB who plays that little anywhere in the NFL. And his salary wonít be 8-9 million.
Yep  
JonC : 3/12/2018 9:17 am : link
In the recent past, Giants tried to sign Skrine and Powers to play the slot for $3M per. It appears DG values the role similarly.
DRC...  
Harvest Blend : 3/12/2018 9:21 am : link
at 8.5 is more valuable than both Marshall and Harris combined for less money. Plus there's no reason to assume DRC would strictly be a slot CB. Apple is a basket case leaving you in a desperate position and likely an area where the Giants will now have to overpay to replace the "overpaid" DRC.
They chose to use the resources elsewhere  
JonC : 3/12/2018 9:23 am : link
I would too, time to move forward.
Good move my the Giants  
AnnapolisMike : 3/12/2018 9:25 am : link
DRC has been a nice player...but with his age...decrease in skills and cap hit. He needed to go.

That sucks ....  
Bluesbreaker : 3/12/2018 12:52 pm : link
He is very good when healthy I'm guessing its a money/starter issue . Someone will grab him but I agree he
likely done here .. Good Luck to him .....
RE: I'm OK with this.  
Jersey55 : 3/12/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13858521 ZogZerg said:
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I guess they are giving Apple a shot

releasing Cromartie and keeping Apple now thats a ballsy decision....
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