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battttles : 3/11/2018 11:09 am
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Schefter  
battttles : 3/11/2018 11:11 am : link
6.5mm
DRC - ( New Window )
I don't get or like this move  
Mark from Jersey : 3/11/2018 11:13 am : link
must be more locker room motivated. He is pretty solid.
Looks like we are in the market  
Mike from Ohio : 3/11/2018 11:13 am : link
For a CB. Likely free agency.
Was a good Giant and a good FA signing - hope he comes back cheaper  
Eric on Li : 3/11/2018 11:13 am : link
but I guess that will depend on the market and whatever other moves DG's able to make.
RE: Looks like we are in the market  
Eric on Li : 3/11/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13858507 Mike from Ohio said:
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For a CB. Likely free agency.


I'd guess they are looking for a slot CB that better fits into the scheme better. They probably wanted DRC to take a pay cut that would have kept him for just a little bit more than his dead cap hit which would have basically just given them a really cheap depth player in both the slot and outside (and possibly at safety).
don't like the move either  
Chip : 3/11/2018 11:15 am : link
but if it brings us Norwell and Cockrell it is a good trade.
Somebody will pick him up....  
Simms11 : 3/11/2018 11:15 am : link
I suppose they tried to trade him. I hope they did anyway. There's a chance he still comes back at a lower salary, only if nobody picks him up of course.
Wow...  
KingBlue : 3/11/2018 11:17 am : link
Of all the scenarios... I did not expect this. He will be missed.
Perhaps the Giants  
PEEJ : 3/11/2018 11:17 am : link
released DRC to give him a chance to test the market.

He could come back at the Giants' price , if there's little interest
He’s done as a Giant  
Sammo85 : 3/11/2018 11:17 am : link
He’s not coming back.
He is not coming back.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/11/2018 11:17 am : link
He will be in demand and while he may not get $8M, he will get more than what Giants offered him in a rework (I am guessing). Sad. I really like him and think he still has something left. Looking increasingly like they will either draft a franchise QB or trade back and accumulate picks. Make you wonder about the Ogletree trade.
I'm OK with this.  
ZogZerg : 3/11/2018 11:18 am : link
I guess they are giving Apple a shot
They’re going to  
Sammo85 : 3/11/2018 11:18 am : link
target Patrick Robinson. I also don’t think Cockrell is a good bet to be back here.
....  
Micko : 3/11/2018 11:18 am : link
Was he really that good this year? Now, cut/trade Eli and let's remake this roster!
Salary cap doesn’t matter  
WillVAB : 3/11/2018 11:19 am : link
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RE: He is not coming back.  
Big Rick in FL : 3/11/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13858520 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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He will be in demand and while he may not get $8M, he will get more than what Giants offered him in a rework (I am guessing). Sad. I really like him and think he still has something left. Looking increasingly like they will either draft a franchise QB or trade back and accumulate picks. Make you wonder about the Ogletree trade.


Not really. They need a LB. Ogletree is young. He will fit in with the rebuild.
He was likely hard to trade  
Mike from Ohio : 3/11/2018 11:19 am : link
with his contract. I'm not crazy about letting him go, but also acknowledge other teams have let him walk too, so there are probably some locker room factors that play into this as well. If so, I am glad they are serious about addressing that.

Will be interesting to see if they can get through to Apple and get him to be a team guy.
This is a business decision - this move had to be made  
DavidinBMNY : 3/11/2018 11:21 am : link
We need to re-apply that $6.5mm elsewhere. He will find another job in the league and get paid but we're not good enough to allocate that much money to a player playing on a pitch count.
It’s a reallocation of financial resources.....  
Reb8thVA : 3/11/2018 11:22 am : link
Reese invested a lot of coin in the secondary. If we are going to improve at LB and OL the hit is going to have to come from somewhere.
RE: They’re going to  
DavidinBMNY : 3/11/2018 11:22 am : link
In comment 13858523 Sammo85 said:
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target Patrick Robinson. I also don’t think Cockrell is a good bet to be back here.


Why? I honestly get that sense as well, but I don't have any facts to base it on.
RE: ....  
NYGmen58 : 3/11/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13858524 Micko said:
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Was he really that good this year? Now, cut/trade Eli and let's remake this roster!


Doubt Apple has much trade value.
...  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 3/11/2018 11:23 am : link
Cornerbacks back on the menu, boys!
RE: RE: They’re going to  
Eric on Li : 3/11/2018 11:24 am : link
In comment 13858533 DavidinBMNY said:
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In comment 13858523 Sammo85 said:


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target Patrick Robinson. I also don’t think Cockrell is a good bet to be back here.



Why? I honestly get that sense as well, but I don't have any facts to base it on.


Robinson is one of the better slot CB's in the NFL, and while he'll likely get a raise this year it will almost definitely be significantly lower than DRC's cap number. He made the minimum last year.
Ranking the Top Slot Defenders of 2017 Season - ( New Window )
I have to admit  
totowa_gman : 3/11/2018 11:24 am : link
I knew about all the rumblings, from on here mainly, but I didn’t think they would do it.
I'm surprised  
Breeze_94 : 3/11/2018 11:24 am : link
this move came before the more obvious ones IMO.

Dwayne Harris, Ray-Ray Armstrong, John Jerry, and at the very least reducing Marshall to a vet min base salary
Well  
mdthedream : 3/11/2018 11:27 am : link
I am not surprised he is up in age making to much money and the team had attitude issues last year. Its OK to clean house a little.
RE: They’re going to  
Breeze_94 : 3/11/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 13858523 Sammo85 said:
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target Patrick Robinson. I also don’t think Cockrell is a good bet to be back here.


Agreed.

Cockrell was solid last year, but he is not ideal for Bettcher's scheme. He runs a lot of Press-man coverage while Cockrell is best in a zone scheme.

Robinson is a better fit coming from Jim Schwartz scheme which is similar to Bettcher which is likely the reason he may be a target
Obvious ones are less time sensitive since they don't effect FA pans  
Eric on Li : 3/11/2018 11:28 am : link
Jerry isn't stopping them from going after any OL, same with Harris and Ray Ray Armstrong. I expect we'll here something re: Marshall in the next few days.

DRC staying may have impacted what they do in FA so that's why they had to decide what they thought he was worth and see if he'll take the pay cut now.
On paper, he seemed to lose it last year  
George from PA : 3/11/2018 11:29 am : link
He only had one pass defense all year.
RE: Wow...  
old man : 3/11/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13858517 KingBlue said:
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Of all the scenarios... I did not expect this. He will be missed.

+1.
After the suspension last year, he was one of the few that made effort, especially the plays where JPP, and the Apple dogged it on the short pass that turned into a long TD.
Hopefully becomes back, cheaper.... doubt it.
The price of the new culture ; but, change happens.
Good luck DRC.
RE: Wow...  
old man : 3/11/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13858517 KingBlue said:
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Of all the scenarios... I did not expect this. He will be missed.

+1.
After the suspension last year, he was one of the few that made effort, especially the plays where JPP, and the Apple dogged it on the short pass that turned into a long TD.
Hopefully becomes back, cheaper.... doubt it.
The price of the new culture ; but, change happens.
Good luck DRC.
Man, that sucks  
KerrysFlask : 3/11/2018 11:35 am : link
I liked DRC a lot.

I think he's going to be hard to replace.
Need to find  
Beer Man : 3/11/2018 11:36 am : link
2 CBs now.
Per Pat Traina  
pa_giant_fan : 3/11/2018 11:36 am : link
Pat Traina: Looking at DRC's stats--I had to do a double take. 1 pass defensed in 2017, down from 21 the year prior (yes, there was a position switch involved). Zero INTs for 1st time since 2011. He also started 5 games, down from the 9 he started in 2016.

It makes sense now why they offered the option of a pay cut or release.
At some point  
Matt in SGS : 3/11/2018 11:38 am : link
Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.

If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
RE: Obvious ones are less time sensitive since they don't effect FA pans  
Breeze_94 : 3/11/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 13858547 Eric on Li said:
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Jerry isn't stopping them from going after any OL, same with Harris and Ray Ray Armstrong. I expect we'll here something re: Marshall in the next few days.

DRC staying may have impacted what they do in FA so that's why they had to decide what they thought he was worth and see if he'll take the pay cut now.


Yea I guess but wouldn't cutting those 3 guys and saving ~6mil between the 3 of them equate to cutting DRC.
RE: Per Pat Traina  
Beer Man : 3/11/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 13858561 pa_giant_fan said:
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Pat Traina: Looking at DRC's stats--I had to do a double take. 1 pass defensed in 2017, down from 21 the year prior (yes, there was a position switch involved). Zero INTs for 1st time since 2011. He also started 5 games, down from the 9 he started in 2016.

It makes sense now why they offered the option of a pay cut or release.
Always better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late.
Robinson rumors  
old man : 3/11/2018 11:43 am : link
Likely true.
Unless its $$ for Nor well since they were almost at -0- with the AO deal and a 9M draft reserve needed.
Definitley in the market for a CB  
Breeze_94 : 3/11/2018 11:45 am : link
Patrick Robinson seems to be a name floated around a bunch and makes sense because he can play the slot.

Aaron Colvin is another intriguing name IMO, but he may be pricey because of his age.

Now let’s trade Apple  
FThomas : 3/11/2018 11:46 am : link
And go get Trumaine Johnson.
Apple is still on the team...  
M.S. : 3/11/2018 11:48 am : link

...and so is Eli.

BFD DRC CAP SAVE.
"No one is safe, including me."  
Jimmy Googs : 3/11/2018 11:48 am : link
Sincerely,

Eli
I think a big factor was DRC's scheme fit (he's not a pure slot)  
Eric on Li : 3/11/2018 11:48 am : link
there were the rumors about safety, but I don't think that's the best fit for him either because he's not a great tackler.

If they're giving Apple another shot, they have 2 outside CB's. Hard to pay a 31 year old that much money to not even play his ideal position.

We'll see what they do but as speculated above my guess is that Bettcher has a different type of player in mind for the slot role.
RE: Robinson rumors  
Breeze_94 : 3/11/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 13858575 old man said:
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Likely true.
Unless its $$ for Nor well since they were almost at -0- with the AO deal and a 9M draft reserve needed.


Now at ~20mil, could get to ~30mil by cutting Marshall, Jerry, Harris, Armstrong.

Plus, I think they will re-stucture Ogletree and prorate his bonus over 4 years, saving another 5.25 mil.

So- the best case scenario for the cap is almost 36mil.
Freeing up money to get that O-line fixed  
Jimmy Googs : 3/11/2018 11:51 am : link
will need to add some lower-valued CBs with some speed...
Guess he wouldn’t agree to a pay cut  
jeff57 : 3/11/2018 11:53 am : link
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RE: At some point  
M.S. : 3/11/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13858563 Matt in SGS said:
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Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.

If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.

I agree with everything you say, except why "...let Eli keep the team competitive?"

Mediocre and drafting 16th ain't a great way to go.

Eli gives us little -- if any -- chance to get back to the Super Bowl.

Much prefer our #2 QB draft choice become an immediate starter and that the Giants find Eli another team that might benefit from his remaining skill-set.
It's a business  
bc4life : 3/11/2018 12:10 pm : link
He'll play elsewhere and Giants will move on.
Giant secondary  
XBRONX : 3/11/2018 12:16 pm : link
as of today sucks. We will see what free agency and the draft bring. We have Jenkins and Collins. And nothing else of value.
Pay cut??  
eclipz928 : 3/11/2018 12:16 pm : link
You're not going to find a veteran CB worth starting that is going to cost less than the $6.5mil DRC was due to make. The Giants better have good plan for the secondary, because right now this move doesn't make much sense.
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