I'd guess they are looking for a slot CB that better fits into the scheme better. They probably wanted DRC to take a pay cut that would have kept him for just a little bit more than his dead cap hit which would have basically just given them a really cheap depth player in both the slot and outside (and possibly at safety).
I suppose they tried to trade him. I hope they did anyway. There's a chance he still comes back at a lower salary, only if nobody picks him up of course.
He will be in demand and while he may not get $8M, he will get more than what Giants offered him in a rework (I am guessing). Sad. I really like him and think he still has something left. Looking increasingly like they will either draft a franchise QB or trade back and accumulate picks. Make you wonder about the Ogletree trade.
He will be in demand and while he may not get $8M, he will get more than what Giants offered him in a rework (I am guessing). Sad. I really like him and think he still has something left. Looking increasingly like they will either draft a franchise QB or trade back and accumulate picks. Make you wonder about the Ogletree trade.
Not really. They need a LB. Ogletree is young. He will fit in with the rebuild.
with his contract. I'm not crazy about letting him go, but also acknowledge other teams have let him walk too, so there are probably some locker room factors that play into this as well. If so, I am glad they are serious about addressing that.
Will be interesting to see if they can get through to Apple and get him to be a team guy.
This is a business decision - this move had to be made Â
We need to re-apply that $6.5mm elsewhere. He will find another job in the league and get paid but we're not good enough to allocate that much money to a player playing on a pitch count.
target Patrick Robinson. I also don’t think Cockrell is a good bet to be back here.
Why? I honestly get that sense as well, but I don't have any facts to base it on.
Robinson is one of the better slot CB's in the NFL, and while he'll likely get a raise this year it will almost definitely be significantly lower than DRC's cap number. He made the minimum last year. Ranking the Top Slot Defenders of 2017 Season - ( New Window )
Jerry isn't stopping them from going after any OL, same with Harris and Ray Ray Armstrong. I expect we'll here something re: Marshall in the next few days.
DRC staying may have impacted what they do in FA so that's why they had to decide what they thought he was worth and see if he'll take the pay cut now.
Of all the scenarios... I did not expect this. He will be missed.
+1.
After the suspension last year, he was one of the few that made effort, especially the plays where JPP, and the Apple dogged it on the short pass that turned into a long TD.
Hopefully becomes back, cheaper.... doubt it.
The price of the new culture ; but, change happens.
Good luck DRC.
Of all the scenarios... I did not expect this. He will be missed.
+1.
After the suspension last year, he was one of the few that made effort, especially the plays where JPP, and the Apple dogged it on the short pass that turned into a long TD.
Hopefully becomes back, cheaper.... doubt it.
The price of the new culture ; but, change happens.
Good luck DRC.
Pat Traina: Looking at DRC's stats--I had to do a double take. 1 pass defensed in 2017, down from 21 the year prior (yes, there was a position switch involved). Zero INTs for 1st time since 2011. He also started 5 games, down from the 9 he started in 2016.
It makes sense now why they offered the option of a pay cut or release.
Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
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Jerry isn't stopping them from going after any OL, same with Harris and Ray Ray Armstrong. I expect we'll here something re: Marshall in the next few days.
DRC staying may have impacted what they do in FA so that's why they had to decide what they thought he was worth and see if he'll take the pay cut now.
Yea I guess but wouldn't cutting those 3 guys and saving ~6mil between the 3 of them equate to cutting DRC.
Pat Traina: Looking at DRC's stats--I had to do a double take. 1 pass defensed in 2017, down from 21 the year prior (yes, there was a position switch involved). Zero INTs for 1st time since 2011. He also started 5 games, down from the 9 he started in 2016.
It makes sense now why they offered the option of a pay cut or release.
Always better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late.
Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
I agree with everything you say, except why "...let Eli keep the team competitive?"
Mediocre and drafting 16th ain't a great way to go.
Eli gives us little -- if any -- chance to get back to the Super Bowl.
Much prefer our #2 QB draft choice become an immediate starter and that the Giants find Eli another team that might benefit from his remaining skill-set.
You're not going to find a veteran CB worth starting that is going to cost less than the $6.5mil DRC was due to make. The Giants better have good plan for the secondary, because right now this move doesn't make much sense.
DRC - ( New Window )
I'd guess they are looking for a slot CB that better fits into the scheme better. They probably wanted DRC to take a pay cut that would have kept him for just a little bit more than his dead cap hit which would have basically just given them a really cheap depth player in both the slot and outside (and possibly at safety).
He could come back at the Giants' price , if there's little interest
Not really. They need a LB. Ogletree is young. He will fit in with the rebuild.
Will be interesting to see if they can get through to Apple and get him to be a team guy.
Why? I honestly get that sense as well, but I don't have any facts to base it on.
Doubt Apple has much trade value.
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target Patrick Robinson. I also don’t think Cockrell is a good bet to be back here.
Why? I honestly get that sense as well, but I don't have any facts to base it on.
Robinson is one of the better slot CB's in the NFL, and while he'll likely get a raise this year it will almost definitely be significantly lower than DRC's cap number. He made the minimum last year.
Ranking the Top Slot Defenders of 2017 Season - ( New Window )
Dwayne Harris, Ray-Ray Armstrong, John Jerry, and at the very least reducing Marshall to a vet min base salary
Agreed.
Cockrell was solid last year, but he is not ideal for Bettcher's scheme. He runs a lot of Press-man coverage while Cockrell is best in a zone scheme.
Robinson is a better fit coming from Jim Schwartz scheme which is similar to Bettcher which is likely the reason he may be a target
DRC staying may have impacted what they do in FA so that's why they had to decide what they thought he was worth and see if he'll take the pay cut now.
+1.
After the suspension last year, he was one of the few that made effort, especially the plays where JPP, and the Apple dogged it on the short pass that turned into a long TD.
Hopefully becomes back, cheaper.... doubt it.
The price of the new culture ; but, change happens.
Good luck DRC.
+1.
After the suspension last year, he was one of the few that made effort, especially the plays where JPP, and the Apple dogged it on the short pass that turned into a long TD.
Hopefully becomes back, cheaper.... doubt it.
The price of the new culture ; but, change happens.
Good luck DRC.
I think he's going to be hard to replace.
It makes sense now why they offered the option of a pay cut or release.
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
DRC staying may have impacted what they do in FA so that's why they had to decide what they thought he was worth and see if he'll take the pay cut now.
Yea I guess but wouldn't cutting those 3 guys and saving ~6mil between the 3 of them equate to cutting DRC.
It makes sense now why they offered the option of a pay cut or release.
Unless its $$ for Nor well since they were almost at -0- with the AO deal and a 9M draft reserve needed.
Aaron Colvin is another intriguing name IMO, but he may be pricey because of his age.
...and so is Eli.
BFD DRC CAP SAVE.
Eli
If they're giving Apple another shot, they have 2 outside CB's. Hard to pay a 31 year old that much money to not even play his ideal position.
We'll see what they do but as speculated above my guess is that Bettcher has a different type of player in mind for the slot role.
Unless its $$ for Nor well since they were almost at -0- with the AO deal and a 9M draft reserve needed.
Now at ~20mil, could get to ~30mil by cutting Marshall, Jerry, Harris, Armstrong.
Plus, I think they will re-stucture Ogletree and prorate his bonus over 4 years, saving another 5.25 mil.
So- the best case scenario for the cap is almost 36mil.
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
I agree with everything you say, except why "...let Eli keep the team competitive?"
Mediocre and drafting 16th ain't a great way to go.
Eli gives us little -- if any -- chance to get back to the Super Bowl.
Much prefer our #2 QB draft choice become an immediate starter and that the Giants find Eli another team that might benefit from his remaining skill-set.