I don't know what to make of this , whether he is being too arrogant , or just expressing his confidence and desire.
But to those who say he doesn't have the heart or the drive , this article should put that argument to rest.
"I want to win Superbowls , and I want to have the most. I'm coming for Tom Brady's records."
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Saying about coming after his records...c'mon. A blitzing LB will be sure to whisper that in his ear :)
Given his injury history, family wealth and father's occupation, he seems the least likely of the top 2018 QB prospects to have a long career.
As a 6th round pick.
Ain’t nothing wrong with bravado. As long as you can back it up.
If you're going after Tom Brady's records (many of which require a long career to achieve), you'll need a long career.
I think a player from a rich family with a father who is a neuro/spine surgeon who has a son who has lost multiple games to concussions before he's ever put on an NFL uniform, is less likely to have a long career, hence, unlikely to break Tom Brady's records.
It really is stupid. BBI makes it seem like only players who grew up poor can be good. It’s funny because often times “rich people” tend to hate losing money and strive for excellence, but I guess that doesn’t apply to Rosen. Some also think because his dad is a neurosurgeon that 1 guy and he will pull his little boy from the game (why hadn’t he already if that’s the case)?
Rosen: I want to break Tom Brady's records.
BBIers: I don't want Rosen, the arrogant prick.
Rosen: I want to break Tom Brady's records.
BBIers: I don't want Rosen, the arrogant prick.
Exactly!
Ravens' John Urschel, lineman and PhD candidate, retires from NFL aged 26 - ( New Window )
Given his injury history, family wealth and father's occupation, he seems the least likely of the top 2018 QB prospects to have a long career.
His family wealth? Unless Rosen himself is going back to medical school, his family does not have nearly enough wealth for him to do nothing the rest of his life. You do realize even top surgeons make 500-900k a year, he's not a wealthy CEO or some family dynasty (I.e., the Trumps, Gates, Fords, etc) were not talking 20-30m a year or old family money. Rosen will make more in his first contract than his family made in their entire lives three times over.
I understand the point with regard to his fathers occupation. But like I said in a prior post, his family money is not relevant. Doctors, including surgeons are not making more than 900k a year. Yes, that's great money, but it's not string our kids up for life.
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I do think his fathers’ occupation plays a role in his future. Presumably he’s better educated about CTE. As the rest of us are coming to be. And possibly you could argue that his family’s money is also relevant. More and more people, and it’s jsut a guess but I would bet that it’s more evident in affluent households, families are pulling away from youth football. At least for me, caring about my children’s health, I wouldn’t sign off on it nowadays.
I understand the point with regard to his fathers occupation. But like I said in a prior post, his family money is not relevant. Doctors, including surgeons are not making more than 900k a year. Yes, that's great money, but it's not string our kids up for life.
Welcome to our modern, f-cked up society.
He may never be as humble as Eli, but to be honest nobody will ever be that humble. Rosen may struggle dealing with the NY media as will Mayfield. I think Allen and Darnold may do better in that area.
If Rosen is the pick I will trust DG and PS.
I absolutely want no part of this guy as the Giants qb.
Surgeons and OB/GYNs are paying close to $250,000 per year in malpractice Ins. Let alone student loans.
I have 2 adult daughters. I probably would advise a son against an NFL career but if he really wanted it, I'd relent.
That’s not to some reporter. That’s to a highly touted GM, who at the time had built the Bills and the Panthers into conference champions.
I loved that story. And I like Rosen have these lofty goals. Good for him.
How is it that he went from that status to being #1 pick ? It was clear as day just as it was for M Sanchez
This kid has got a bad body and to many turnovers and not many games under his belt ...... many people like him because of the Rose Bowl the year before 😳....
I don’t know about you but I’m tired of the Eli way ... I want a QB with a little more rah rah on the sideline ,a guy who gets pissed off and don’t like to lose ....
All due respect to Eli however...... I say trade Eli I know no trade clause
And draft Rosen I guess I’m up there with Milton on this kid .....
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does his family wealth and dad's job have to do with him being a good QB or not? Is that a serious comment?
It really is stupid. BBI makes it seem like only players who grew up poor can be good. It’s funny because often times “rich people” tend to hate losing money and strive for excellence, but I guess that doesn’t apply to Rosen. Some also think because his dad is a neurosurgeon that 1 guy and he will pull his little boy from the game (why hadn’t he already if that’s the case)?
Seriously it’s not like the Mannings grew up in a good situation or anything
How is it that he went from that status to being #1 pick ? It was clear as day just as it was for M Sanchez
This kid has got a bad body and to many turnovers and not many games under his belt ...... many people like him because of the Rose Bowl the year before 😳....
I don’t know about you but I’m tired of the Eli way ... I want a QB with a little more rah rah on the sideline ,a guy who gets pissed off and don’t like to lose ....
All due respect to Eli however...... I say trade Eli I know no trade clause
And draft Rosen I guess I’m up there with Milton on this kid .....
Huhhhhhhh? I can understand your not liking him....or preferring someone else. But WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????? Darnold has 22 ints in 2 seasons, 13 came in his "down" season this past year. He still boasted a 63% and is only 20.
Bad body? Ive literally never heard that about a qb prospect, but ok.
You guys are nuts.
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It was only 3 months ago everybody with football knowledge said they thought that Darnold should have stayed in school I agreed with them as well
How is it that he went from that status to being #1 pick ? It was clear as day just as it was for M Sanchez
This kid has got a bad body and to many turnovers and not many games under his belt ...... many people like him because of the Rose Bowl the year before 😳....
I don’t know about you but I’m tired of the Eli way ... I want a QB with a little more rah rah on the sideline ,a guy who gets pissed off and don’t like to lose ....
All due respect to Eli however...... I say trade Eli I know no trade clause
And draft Rosen I guess I’m up there with Milton on this kid .....
Huhhhhhhh? I can understand your not liking him....or preferring someone else. But WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????? Darnold has 22 ints in 2 seasons, 13 came in his "down" season this past year. He still boasted a 63% and is only 20.
Bad body? Ive literally never heard that about a qb prospect, but ok.
You guys are nuts.
Chop -
The turnovers are a concern. It isn't just about interceptions, but his propensity to treat the ball like bocce. This is the fact - He had 22 interceptions and 21 fumbles in 27 starts at USC. That is 43 turnovers in 27 starts.
If you don't have goals, how will you succeed? Sounds like he is committed to being the best he can be.
If his medicals are clear, he is the best QB in the draft. Maybe Allen someday is better if he can correct his faults, same with Darnold. But right now Rosen is the best QB in the draft.
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Confident enough to perform, humble enough to prepare.
Since nobody has worked harder to be prepared than Rosen, it must mean he's pretty humble (by Coughlin's definition).
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Confident enough to perform, humble enough to prepare.
Since nobody has worked harder to be prepared than Rosen, it must mean he's pretty humble (by Coughlin's definition).
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Confident enough to perform, humble enough to prepare.
Since nobody has worked harder to be prepared than Rosen, it must mean he's pretty humble (by Coughlin's definition).
People are human, how many scouts and analysts voted for Trump? Wearing that hat hurt him. I think it would be hard for an older scout or analyst that loves Trump to be truly objective about the kid without bias. Today's political climate is so divisive and in your face everywhere. He looks like Tom Brady when he throws, he is that good. I Like Mayfield too, maybe a little more but I love Rosen too.
I'm not sure how that is quantifiable. I actually read the exact same thing about Webb this morning. I bet I would be able to read a story about a zillion other players and find that same conclusion. To be honest, I'm sure that they're all right, too.
And here is why: You could teach me perfect mechanics and I'd never be able to play QB in the NFL. While Rosen is much more physically able and talented at football than I am, his mechanics alone aren't going to make him a great QB. It's the other stuff. Personally, I don't think he's accurate at all levels. I don't think he feels pressure well. I don't think he performs well on the move or throws well outside the pocket or from dirty pockets. And I don't think he is a winner, despite what he says.
I'm willing to give him a pass on everything else. The injury stuff is a mild concern to me, but honestly it's not a huge ding on him from my perspective.
Darnold is a play maker. He'll handle NFL pressure better than Rosen. And Allen as well.
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It was only 3 months ago everybody with football knowledge said they thought that Darnold should have stayed in school I agreed with them as well
How is it that he went from that status to being #1 pick ? It was clear as day just as it was for M Sanchez
This kid has got a bad body and to many turnovers and not many games under his belt ...... many people like him because of the Rose Bowl the year before 😳....
I don’t know about you but I’m tired of the Eli way ... I want a QB with a little more rah rah on the sideline ,a guy who gets pissed off and don’t like to lose ....
All due respect to Eli however...... I say trade Eli I know no trade clause
And draft Rosen I guess I’m up there with Milton on this kid .....
Huhhhhhhh? I can understand your not liking him....or preferring someone else. But WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????? Darnold has 22 ints in 2 seasons, 13 came in his "down" season this past year. He still boasted a 63% and is only 20.
Bad body? Ive literally never heard that about a qb prospect, but ok.
You guys are nuts.
Chop -
The turnovers are a concern. It isn't just about interceptions, but his propensity to treat the ball like bocce. This is the fact - He had 22 interceptions and 21 fumbles in 27 starts at USC. That is 43 turnovers in 27 starts.
First, I'd like to say something just on the INTs...you have to look at the INTs and how they occurred. There is some concern here, I'm not going to lie. He's made some bad throws mostly due to poor footwork. The poor footwork is mostly due to unrelenting pressure. Most often when he "steps in the bucket", he has pressure on top of him to his right. He's stepping away from the pressure so as to not absorb a full frontal impact and get driven into the ground back-first. That's what it looks like to me. But his accuracy does suffer when he does that and it has directly led to INTs.
Mark Schofield does a pretty good breakdown of Darnold's regular season interceptions (he had one in the bowl game vs Ohio State) here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0QLjo3dJBs
You can see sometimes he's throwing it into one on one and just trying to give his receiver a chance to make a play.
There is one interception that is completely not his fault, where it was a good throw, bounces off receiver's hands and turns into an INT.
But the fumbles is hard to put on him. The pass protection he had was so bad, you get hit and sacked so many times, you're going to cough up the football some of those times, particularly when you don't see the hit coming. He does need to hold the ball higher in the pocket, that is another thing he needs to work on. However, I feel that Darnold has more play-making ability and will to win than Rosen. One of the things that has bothered me about Rosen and everyone talking about his terrific mechanics and his tremendous accuracy and superb arm talent and spin, and comparing that to Darnold with his bad footwork and lackluster mechanics at times, is that Darnold still has a higher completion percentage than Rosen.
Rosen at 62.6% improved on his completion % from that metric in the last two seasons. But it's still shy of Darnold's 63.1%, which was considerably down from his 67.2% of last year. And here's the thing, he lost three offensive linemen to the NFL from the 2016 CFB season...Damien Mama, Chad Wheeler, and Zach Banner, as well as losing his most talented receiver in Juju Smith-Schuster.
Darnold's 2017 offensive line was a complete disaster, and while his receivers were decent, losing Smith-Schuster was a significant drop-off. The story about his supporting cast though is really about the complete ineptitude of the offensive line, though...that's what caused his effectiveness to drop primarily, from a brilliant 67.2% passing season with a TD-INT ratio of 31-9. If you put that season up against Rosen's 2017 season it's no contest in favor of Darnold.
Well, Rosen has some of the things that Darnold had in 2016. Pretty good pass protection especially from the blind side in Kolton Miller. A pretty good receiver in Jordan Lasley (though not as good as Smith-Schuster), and a good one to watch next year in Darren Andrews. But that translated into a 62.6% pass completion metric that still fell short of Darnold even in his down year, and a 26-10 TD-INT ratio that while pretty good, isn't as good as 2016 Darnold at 31-9, and all this while Darnold has a higher Yards per Attempt.
I have concerns with Rosen on the field. I think he is a good passer and will be a good player in the NFL. But I see more of a Ryan Tannehill to Alex Smith good, not a Peyton Manning good. I don't see an elite QB here. I see a mediocre NFL QB that gets you close to the dance but you go home a little disappointed with how the evening turned out, over and over again. Kind of like Andy Dalton in Cincinatti. No doubt Dalton is a talented quarterback. But we know it's highly unlikely Dalton is ever going to be the starting QB on a Super Bowl winning team. You don't want to be in that situation, keeping a guy on you hope can get over the hump, and paying him big dollars to do it, but who just isn't quite good enough to get over that hump.
Darnold, on the other hand, he has the "it" factor. But still, he needs a year to work on his game, ideally. If you throw him out there, he is going to lose a lot early. He has to clean up on his footwork and how he holds the ball in the pocket. He has to work on identifying what the linebackers are going to do and seeing those zone dogs coming underneath into the passing lane. But what he is good at you can't teach. The accuracy on the run, the ability to make plays when things break down, and the competitiveness to will his team to win.
However, I'm starting to prefer Allen to all of them.