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Why no love for QB Mason Rudolph in rounds 2-3?

Saos1n : 3/11/2018 10:14 pm
Shows pretty good pocket awareness... Throws an accurate ball... Doesnít panic under pressure...

Mechanics are a little off, but we arenít asking him to start this year... let him sit behind Eli and get coached up from Shurmur...

Take your pick at #2 (or trade down), then deal back up in the end of round 1 to solidify 5th year option...

State your case...
We have a round 2-3 QB  
Capt. Don : 3/11/2018 10:17 pm : link
That is very similar. Why take another?
I predict he doesnít get out of round 1  
rasbutant : 3/11/2018 10:19 pm : link
Pats, chargers, saints, Steelers. Maybe even Vikings depend on what they do in fa.
RE: We have a round 2-3 QB  
Saos1n : 3/11/2018 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13859324 Capt. Don said:
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That is very similar. Why take another?


Simply because Webb is on the roster keeps you from taking (hypothetically) a QB that may be your future? If they have conviction about a guy, take him... Iím not saying they love Rudolph, but if they do, he could be a target... just havenít see his name discussed much...
RE: We have a round 2-3 QB  
Bill L : 3/11/2018 10:28 pm : link
In comment 13859324 Capt. Don said:
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That is very similar. Why take another?
Because we have to pick a QB in this draft no matter what. Eli is 37, you know.
There are far greater needs....  
GFAN52 : 3/11/2018 10:35 pm : link
than to use another pick on a lower round QB.
And, by the way, I say round 2-3 in the title  
Saos1n : 3/11/2018 10:37 pm : link
Because thatís where heís projected... but I personally feel like trading back up into round 1 for the 5th year option is worth it...
I may get flamed for this but heís my favorite QB in the draft  
NYGmen58 : 3/11/2018 11:08 pm : link
I go based on what Iíve seen and not by draft hype and heís the real deal. Allen has the most upside and desirable physical traits but I like him as a late first rounder.
RE: I may get flamed for this but heís my favorite QB in the draft  
Saos1n : 3/11/2018 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13859362 NYGmen58 said:
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I go based on what Iíve seen and not by draft hype and heís the real deal. Allen has the most upside and desirable physical traits but I like him as a late first rounder.


As far as value is concerned, I agree... I would rather spend a late 1st, early 2nd on Rudolph, than a #2 on Allen or Darnold...
Rudolph?  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/12/2018 12:15 am : link
Name the last successful NFL QB to come out of the Big 12.
would rather spend a 2nd rounder on him  
msh : 3/12/2018 5:11 am : link
than use the pick at 2 were all the big 4 have a huge bust potential darnold with interceptions,rosens injury history,allens completion percentage and mayfield has his off-field issues and lack of physical measurable including height many of us just dont see any of them as worth that number 2 pick

if they move back and get extra picks i would be more inclined
to add someone like rudolph in round 2 but they have eli who can play well enough for 2 years if they dont cut him for cap reasons the ability to extend OBJ and collins could force their hands on eli due to the cap (unless he was willing to cut which is probably unlikely)

some on here like lamar jackson but he strikes me as a tyrell pryor gadget player/slash QB rather than a true QB,they have webb and we dont know what he is capable of if webb doesnt work out they have a down year and can take a QB
then or trade up if the guy they believe in is there so

i dont get the must draft a QB regardless camps logic on this if they believe any of those guys are worth the pick i have no problem with them drafting a QB but i dont dont see any of them as being that guy they are looking for and neither do many others

would rather add a draft pick for the 3rd QB in future than have a dud like geno smith clogging up a roster spot when you have no intention of using him in anything less than an emergency because you have nobody else but they have enough needs that unless they felt strongly enough about rudolph to take him over the places of higher need OL,LB,CB,DE,WR instead or got extra picks that would mitigate the risk of not taking one of your higher priority positions instead then it seams like a bit of luxury/wasted pick
Due to gambling Iíve watch a ton of Rudolph  
Tuckrule : 3/12/2018 6:25 am : link
He is not good at all and will never make it in the nfl. Below average arm. Not athletic but does have good size. Cannot extend plays and shows poor pocket presence. Poor deep ball with a lot of air under it. Played in the spread offense wasnít under center much at all. I have him behind lauletta and silvers. Iíd prefer those 2 as ďdevelopmental qbsĒ over mason.

RE: Rudolph?  
Brown Recluse : 3/12/2018 6:54 am : link
In comment 13859406 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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Name the last successful NFL QB to come out of the Big 12.


These types of lazy responses always make me shake my head. As if coming from a certain conference or school automatically equates to failure.
RE: RE: We have a round 2-3 QB  
Giants1956 : 3/12/2018 7:06 am : link
In comment 13859331 Saos1n said:
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That is very similar. Why take another?



Simply because Webb is on the roster keeps you from taking (hypothetically) a QB that may be your future? If they have conviction about a guy, take him... Iím not saying they love Rudolph, but if they do, he could be a target... just havenít see his name discussed much...


You don't have a QB entering his 15th year, a #2 pick
and draft Mason Rudolph!!
Saos1n, he 'could be a target' but he won't.
You still have to look at value  
Bill L : 3/12/2018 7:09 am : link
and if the differential isn't that great, and it doesn't seem like it is, then it's a poor #2 pick. It's like eschewing Starkist to pay $20.00 more for Bumblebee.
why does any team need TWO Davis Webbs?  
Victor in CT : 3/12/2018 8:18 am : link
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RE: RE: Rudolph?  
eli4life : 3/12/2018 8:30 am : link
In comment 13859439 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13859406 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:


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Name the last successful NFL QB to come out of the Big 12.



These types of lazy responses always make me shake my head. As if coming from a certain conference or school automatically equates to failure.


By that logic Barkley will suck wait someone tell Cleveland
RE: RE: We have a round 2-3 QB  
Capt. Don : 3/12/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13859331 Saos1n said:
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That is very similar. Why take another?



Simply because Webb is on the roster keeps you from taking (hypothetically) a QB that may be your future? If they have conviction about a guy, take him... Iím not saying they love Rudolph, but if they do, he could be a target... just havenít see his name discussed much...


Im saying, if Webb were in this draft he would grade out very close to Rudolph. They have extremely similar skill sets. Why would you waste a draft pick on a player that you already have?
Rudolph is a career backup.  
Section331 : 3/12/2018 9:06 am : link
He doesn't have the arm to be a quality starter. He's a bigger Case Keenum.
He's simply not as impressive as the other quarterbacks,  
barens : 3/12/2018 9:06 am : link
that's why he's considered the 6th rated QB in this draft. At that point, I'm much more content to stick with what we've got.
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FStubbs : 3/12/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 13859335 Bill L said:
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That is very similar. Why take another?

Because we have to pick a QB in this draft no matter what. Eli is 37, you know.


Eli is 37 and we need to find his replacement as soon as we can, but you never take a player just to take a player. If Gettleman looks at the QBs and decides none of them are stars, then he'd do better to get other players - or take a "non-star" in the appropriate round.
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Bill L : 3/12/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 13859544 FStubbs said:
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That is very similar. Why take another?

Because we have to pick a QB in this draft no matter what. Eli is 37, you know.



Eli is 37 and we need to find his replacement as soon as we can, but you never take a player just to take a player. If Gettleman looks at the QBs and decides none of them are stars, then he'd do better to get other players - or take a "non-star" in the appropriate round.
That's an interesting stance. Not sure I buy it. I think that we simply *must* take a QB, because, you know, he's a QB. And Eli won't be here 3 years from now.
Bill, but why take an average quarterback with  
barens : 3/12/2018 9:55 am : link
With a coveted pick, when we got guys on the roster who fit that same exact mold? I can see drafting one on the third day if we donít get a qb with the number two pick and someone slips thru the cracks, but after that, it just doesnít make sense.

I just donít consider Rudolph as a value pick on day 2.
the league is littered with stiff QBs drafted too high because teams  
Victor in CT : 3/12/2018 9:57 am : link
"HAD" to draft a QB for whatever reason. Christian Ponder, Chad Henne, EJ Manuel. We could go on and on.

As others have said here and over and over for months posts on this same topic: unless you think that one of the QBs is THE GUY, you don't reach. You take the best player available in your draft slot.
RE: RE: We have a round 2-3 QB  
Capt. Don : 3/12/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 13859335 Bill L said:
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That is very similar. Why take another?

Because we have to pick a QB in this draft no matter what. Eli is 37, you know.


We dont HAVE to take a QB in this draft. And if we DO HAVE TO take one, why would we take a QB that we already have? If we HAVE to take one, you take one at #2.
RE: Bill, but why take an average quarterback with  
Bill L : 3/12/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13859587 barens said:
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With a coveted pick, when we got guys on the roster who fit that same exact mold? I can see drafting one on the third day if we donít get a qb with the number two pick and someone slips thru the cracks, but after that, it just doesnít make sense.

I just donít consider Rudolph as a value pick on day 2.
No offense, but you guys have very weird takes.
Right back at ya Bud.  
barens : 3/12/2018 10:34 am : link
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Seriously, if we don't grab a QB in this draft  
Bill L : 3/12/2018 10:38 am : link
we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be?
I agree with taking a QB with their first pick,  
barens : 3/12/2018 10:43 am : link
you are rarely in this draft spot, and there are potentially great QB's to choose from. I just don't see a reason to reach for a QB in any rounds after the first, unless the value is just too good to pass up.
RE: Seriously, if we don't grab a QB in this draft  
Capt. Don : 3/12/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 13859662 Bill L said:
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we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be?


I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

The OP is saying that we should consider taking Rudolph in round 2 or 3. Are you saying that we wont have a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year or the year after? We already have a 3rd round pick QB who has much of the same qualities as Rudolph. Why would we waste a 2nd/3rd round pick on a QB that has the same skill set/ceiling as a young player that we already have?
RE: Seriously, if we don't grab a QB in this draft  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/12/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13859662 Bill L said:
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we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be?

We get it. You're so locked into your opinion about this year's QB class that you're incapable of rational discussion, but we get it.
RE: RE: Seriously, if we don't grab a QB in this draft  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/12/2018 10:56 am : link
In comment 13859673 Capt. Don said:
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we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be?



I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

The OP is saying that we should consider taking Rudolph in round 2 or 3. Are you saying that we wont have a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year or the year after? We already have a 3rd round pick QB who has much of the same qualities as Rudolph. Why would we waste a 2nd/3rd round pick on a QB that has the same skill set/ceiling as a young player that we already have?

He's being completely sarcastic. He's vehemently anti-QB.
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Bill L : 3/12/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13859692 Gatorade Dunk said:
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we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be?



I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

The OP is saying that we should consider taking Rudolph in round 2 or 3. Are you saying that we wont have a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year or the year after? We already have a 3rd round pick QB who has much of the same qualities as Rudolph. Why would we waste a 2nd/3rd round pick on a QB that has the same skill set/ceiling as a young player that we already have?


He's being completely sarcastic. He's vehemently anti-QB.
I'm not. As I've said before, I'm pro-best player so long as the talent differential exceeds the positional need. And I think that is abundantly true for at least one player at the top of the draft. In contrast, I think many others are so locked into a QB, that they don't really care about the ability per se. They assume that the top QB *must* be good in quality simply because they are the top QB or that because there are several draft-worthy QB's. But when you read evaluations, *maybe* Rosen slides into that category where his ability + position overcomes the talent margin of difference. But, admittedly, I'm vehemently anti-Rosen for other reasons which I feel impact his ability to be a long-term solution for the QB problem. Now, if Barkley goes #1, I could see a (non-Rosen QB), although it's very close, I feel, relative to the talent of the top remaining non-QB players.
And, I don't think it's sarcasm...  
Bill L : 3/12/2018 11:31 am : link
maybe mockery but mostly gentle teasing...
We just traded two picks we don't need a 3rd QB  
Bluesbreaker : 3/12/2018 1:11 pm : link
this season still holes to fill we have like zero depth
I really don't like Rudolph  
AdamBrag : 3/12/2018 1:16 pm : link
He throws a beautiful deep ball, but his accuracy outside of that isn't very good. Nor is his arm strength. He's my 11th highest rated QB.

If we are looking to draft a QB after round 1 (not that I'm suggesting it), two guys I'd look at are Kyle Lauletta and Mike White.
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