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Gil Brandt On NFL Radio On Who Cleveland Should Draft ...

Trainmaster : 3/11/2018 11:13 pm
... with the first overall pick.

Brandt said that Cleveland needs to use the first overall pick on the BPA. He said that that player is clearly Barkley.

Specifically, Brandt said:

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"At the combine, Barkley was Secretariat and the other guys were just plow horses. He's also a quality individual."


I hope Cleveland doesn't follow Brandt's advice, leaving Barkley for Giants.
I called it months ago  
Joey in VA : 3/11/2018 11:15 pm : link
And I was told I was insane and a RB would never go #1. He's going #1.
The Browns should be booted out of the  
GmeninPSL : 3/11/2018 11:16 pm : link
NFL if they don't use that selection to get Barkley, especially since they can still get a potential franchise QB at #4. If they did not have that 4th pick than Barkley would be a Giant. But in my opinion, no way the Browns pass on Barkley.
This is such an interesting draft  
Rjanyg : 3/11/2018 11:23 pm : link
They're are so many opinions I don't know what to expect.

The Browns just acquired a vet QB with one year remaining on his contract in Taylor. They need to get the best QB in this draft. The question is, which one is the best?

Barkley IS the best player in this draft but Cleveland needs to secure their future QB first. This is why I still think s possible trade offer from Cleveland to grab pick 2 is a real possibility. They want Barkley but also their QB. I think it is Darnold.

I am not sure the Giants would want to trade out unless the offer was unreal. We are talking pick, 4,33,35 101 and a 2019 1st round pick.

We will see if they take Barkley.
If Barkley goes number one  
Emil : 3/11/2018 11:24 pm : link
Gettleman should trade back a couple of spots, with Denver at number 5 being an ideal landing spot. Will walk away with a blue chip player. Either Nelson, Chubb, or Fitzpatrick will be available, assuming Denver takes a QB.

On a side note, after listening to Dave Te, Iím warming to Josh Allen as a fit for the Giants.
If Barkley Goes To Cleveland With The 1st Overall Pick  
Trainmaster : 3/11/2018 11:31 pm : link
my only hope is that the Giants get the proverbial "King's Ransom" from teams desperate for a QB.

Ideally, there would be rumors of teams trying to jump ahead of Cleveland's 4th overall pick in a trade with Indy, forcing Cleveland to turn to the Giants. The Giants giving up the 2nd overall should leave them with the 4th overall pick (800 pt difference using the old Jimmy Johnson chart), plus Clevelands's first two picks in the 2nd round (33rd overall is 580 pts and 35th overall is 550 pts). The Giants would have the 4th overall pick and the first 3 picks in the 2nd round.

The Giants could keep all 3 2nd round picks, or trade 2 of them to jump back into the middle of the 1st round (around pick 16).

If the Giants don't end up with Barkley, having the 4th, 33rd, 34th and 35th overall picks would be a decent consolation prize.

The only way they get Barkley  
Jay in Toronto : 3/11/2018 11:34 pm : link
Is if they don't have a strong conviction that a specific QB is a franchise QB a cut above the rest or if they trade for the Giants #2 pick.
So Cleveland would have to have  
NikkiMac : 3/11/2018 11:35 pm : link
a I donít care which QB is there at 4 we are taking Barkley #1 and then whatever QB is available at 4 we want attitude your saying ..... I donít buy it but you never know .......
And who exactly  
yankeeslover : 3/11/2018 11:38 pm : link
Is the Giants qb then? It amazes me how many think we can roll our future with Eli. If Barkley goes 1 then we have our choice of QB. It's not rocket science. Why in the world would we hand a franchise qb to another team when we also need one? For what? A guard?
They can STILL get Barkley ....  
Manny in CA : 3/11/2018 11:38 pm : link

AND their choice of the Draft QBs if they trade with us for the #2 over-all pick
I heard an interview with him -  
short lease : 3/11/2018 11:40 pm : link
during the combine on Sirius' NFL channel. Regardless of his skills as a football player and overall athlete, he seemed like a really good guy and an intelligent person. Would be very easy to root for ... unless it was all a snow job.
RE: Why in the world would we hand a franchise qb to another team  
Trainmaster : 3/11/2018 11:54 pm : link
We wouldn't. However, the Giants brass may not be convinced that any of these QBs is a franchise QB, or at least, not worth the 2nd overall pick in the draft.

This draft is about BPA. I know the Jimmy Johnson "points scale" has somewhat fallen out of favor, but it is still a decent "relative value" tool. The Giants 2nd overall pick of 2600 point is worth more than Denver's (5th overall) entire draft.

I believe in 2000 the Chargers took Tomlinson with the first pick (5th overall), then took Drew Brees with their first pick early in the 2nd round.

The bust rate for 1st round QBs worries me a lot. The Giants need to get "high probability value" from the 2nd overall pick. That's via Barkley or a trade down.



RE: They can STILL get Barkley ....  
Giantimistic : 3/11/2018 11:54 pm : link
In comment 13859391 Manny in CA said:
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AND their choice of the Draft QBs if they trade with us for the #2 over-all pick


After watching how aggressive Cleveland is being with trades, I would find it hard to believe that they are not considering jumping up to number 2 and taking the 2 best players on their board. That is an opportunity that just doesn't come along very often if ever.

If Cleveland has 2 players rated higher than all the other players and consider them to be franchise changers would they rather have picks 1 and 2 or 1 and 4 and their two high second round picks. They still would have a 2nd round pick at the end of the round.

The question ofcourse is do the Giants have 2 players rated higher than everyone one else or after their top rated player are the next few players all on even footing and are they thinking QB.

This is really one of the most interesting drafts that have come along in a long time, and ofcourse more interesting because of the Giants position.

Iím hoping this happens  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/11/2018 11:57 pm : link
So we can talk Darnold at 2.
RE: They can STILL get Barkley  
Trainmaster : 3/11/2018 11:57 pm : link
Manny, I agree, but I think it has to be Barkley first for Cleveland, then trade up with Indy or the Giants for a QB.

I hope Cleveland gets put under enormous pressure to draft a QB with the first overall pick, which they do, and they assume that the Giants and maybe the Colts pick (via trade) goes for QBs too and Barkley is still there for them at 4th overall.

If Cleveland goes QB number 1, Gettleman (or the Giants rep at the draft), should do a 4.4 40 to turn in the card for Barkley.
Cleveland now has  
ryanmkeane : 3/12/2018 12:53 am : link
Tyrod Taylor for 1 year and not a single other option beyond that. Running the risk of not getting your guy would be just an unbelievably poor decision by Dorsey. If Browns has kept Kizer and they believed in him then thatís another story. Making the trade for Taylor made it even more clear that they are going QB at 1. The Browns went 1-31 the last two seasons. They are not in any shape or form ready to win a playoff game let alone a Super Bowl right now. Take your franchise QB at 1, then take the BPA at 4 and call it a fucking day.
Donít get me wrong  
ryanmkeane : 3/12/2018 12:55 am : link
I somewhat hope the Browns take Barkley just to see how painful it will be to watch them try and navigate another QB situation for years if they donít get their guy. But I also kind of want Barkley. But taking Sam Darnold #2 would also feel pretty special with the chance that heís our next Eli. We are in a great situation regardless of whether the Browns fuck this up.
Barkley should be the #1 pick to the Browns  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2018 2:25 am : link
But not worth our #2 pick?
with the release of DRC  
msh : 3/12/2018 5:14 am : link
is this a signal the giants have a stronger interest in fitzpatrick then anyone has given them credit for? he certainly hasnt been discussed much to the giants and they have stated they wish to keep who they are targeting secret so that would fit too
RE: Barkley should be the #1 pick to the Browns  
Jim in Tampa : 3/12/2018 6:21 am : link
In comment 13859419 SHO'NUFF said:
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But not worth our #2 pick?


No one thinks Barkley isn't WORTH the #2 overall pick. But there are 2-3 QBs who are also worth the #2 pick and the Giants need a QB in order to have any chance to compete.
^^  
Tuckrule : 3/12/2018 6:22 am : link
Absolutely not. Would be a huge mistake to take fitz at 2. Only way we take him is if we trade down to around 10 or so. That would be a huge mistake. The giants need a franchise QB plain and simple. Get me the best qb at 2 whether itís allen or darnold and grab the best tackle/guard at 34
RE: with the release of DRC  
ZogZerg : 3/12/2018 6:34 am : link
In comment 13859423 msh said:
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is this a signal the giants have a stronger interest in fitzpatrick then anyone has given them credit for? he certainly hasnt been discussed much to the giants and they have stated they wish to keep who they are targeting secret so that would fit too


No, Not a chance the Giants draft him. Zero.
I was with some die hard Browns fans this weekend  
ZogZerg : 3/12/2018 6:35 am : link
They all want Barkley, but most of them things the Browns will go QB with their first pick.
RE: Cleveland now has  
Rafflee : 3/12/2018 6:38 am : link
Correct!!!!!!!

In comment 13859413 ryanmkeane said:
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Tyrod Taylor for 1 year and not a single other option beyond that. Running the risk of not getting your guy would be just an unbelievably poor decision by Dorsey. If Browns has kept Kizer and they believed in him then thatís another story. Making the trade for Taylor made it even more clear that they are going QB at 1. The Browns went 1-31 the last two seasons. They are not in any shape or form ready to win a playoff game let alone a Super Bowl right now. Take your franchise QB at 1, then take the BPA at 4 and call it a fucking day.
Cleveland has to be thinking that with Tyrod Taylor  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/12/2018 6:39 am : link
that they won't be in this position again. They may not be challenging for the top of the league but the combination of draft picks and free agent dollars means that they should finish in the middle of the pack at worst. They absolutely have to get their QB.

I just can't see how they pass on the best QB (whoever they think that is) in the draft. If they take Barkley, they not only do that but they give all the power in this draft to the Giants. There is no more reason for the Giants to trade with Cleveland than with anyone else that needs a QB.

Cleveland can't be this cute IMHO.
Figures the one time the Browns get it right, it would  
Brown Recluse : 3/12/2018 6:57 am : link
be the time they pick right before the Giants.
Browns are gong QB at 1....  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2018 7:07 am : link
Barkley could still be there at 4. If not they have so many other great options. But with Kizer gone, Dorsey isn't going to allow the Browns to miss out on a QB again. And I'll stand by my pick of Darnold at 1.
RE: Browns are gong QB at 1....  
Brown Recluse : 3/12/2018 7:09 am : link
In comment 13859445 GFAN52 said:
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Barkley could still be there at 4. If not they have so many other great options. But with Kizer gone, Dorsey isn't going to allow the Browns to miss out on a QB again. And I'll stand by my pick of Darnold at 1.


Barkley isn't going to be there at 4. But they could still get a great RB in round 2. Of course, you could say that about any of the teams drafting at the top of round 1.

I think Barkley is either going 1 or 2.
The Browns own this draft ...  
Beer Man : 3/12/2018 7:57 am : link
And can have their cake and eat it to; if they choose. They need a Franchise QB, and if they rate two or three of the QBs equally, and aren't in-love one, I can see them grabbing Barkley at 1, and taking the best remaining QB at 4; at least one out of the group of Rosen, Darnold, or Allen will still be there at 4.
If the Browns feel like one of the Qbs is head and shoulders above  
Rudy5757 : 3/12/2018 8:04 am : link
The rest there is no way they can take a RB at 1. I don't care if he is the Best Player. They need a 10 year starter at QB. They could potentially wind up with the 3rd best QB and fail at the position yet again. They don't have a QB and they can load up on a RB in the 2nd round. If they wait till 4 and take a QB that doesn't work out again it's 3-4 more wasted years.
I doubt that any team  
CT Charlie : 3/12/2018 8:17 am : link
considers one QB head and shoulders above the others. All of them have flaws.
RE: If the Browns feel like one of the Qbs is head and shoulders above  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2018 8:21 am : link
In comment 13859467 Rudy5757 said:
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The rest there is no way they can take a RB at 1. I don't care if he is the Best Player. They need a 10 year starter at QB. They could potentially wind up with the 3rd best QB and fail at the position yet again. They don't have a QB and they can load up on a RB in the 2nd round. If they wait till 4 and take a QB that doesn't work out again it's 3-4 more wasted years.


I agree. Teams are starved for QBs and if the Browns select Darnold, the Giants go with Rosen I could see the Colts trade their pick to a team like Bills desperate for a QB, or the Colts select Nelson, and Barkley is there for the Browns at 4.
Many of you act like this is an ESPN Fantasy Football  
Jimmy Googs : 3/12/2018 8:26 am : link
and the QBs are all pre-ranked for everybody and handed out during the draft.

I would imagine here on Mar 12th, the top QBs in this draft are all ranked differently on the prelim boards of all the teams.

and may very well be on Draft Day too...
With Greatest Respect for Gil Brandt  
Rafflee : 3/12/2018 8:30 am : link
I believe Barkley is the Best Argument for taking an RB at the top---but you can deliver the complete RB skill set by using several Players....and the back of the 1st round and 2/3 round is chock full of very good and Predictable RB's.

Add a short shelf life against the need for QB quality and Longevity/Stability---- The Browns would be wiser to take a QB at 1 and 4 versus pasing on their top QB Choice
Reading the articles coming out of Cleveland,  
DonnieD89 : 3/12/2018 8:35 am : link
the general feeling is that they are more interested in taking a QB at #1. They are hungry for a franchise QB and they don't want to screw it up this time around.
RE: Reading the articles coming out of Cleveland,  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2018 8:42 am : link
In comment 13859490 DonnieD89 said:
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the general feeling is that they are more interested in taking a QB at #1. They are hungry for a franchise QB and they don't want to screw it up this time around.


New GM Dorsey would be roasted if he passed on. QB at 1 since thatís what got the previous GM fired.
As much as I hate to say it...  
Chris684 : 3/12/2018 8:56 am : link
The smart play is to take Barkley at 1 and a QB at 4.

There is only one Saquon Barkley in this draft and he happens to be the highest rated prospect at any position in years.

There are a handful of QBs and I'm not sure if anyone can say with much certainty who is going to be the best. None of which seem to be the slam dunk Barkley is.
Sam Darold has yet to have his pro day,  
barens : 3/12/2018 9:04 am : link
so even the great Gil Brandt could change his mind here.
Who do you draft?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/12/2018 9:40 am : link
Eli/Roethlisberger/Rivers or a 230 lb Marshall Faulk?

You can't mess around with the qb position in this league.
I love how people can just assume that teams can "load up"  
Brown Recluse : 3/12/2018 9:58 am : link
on talent in other rounds, and thats justification enough to pass on it in round 1.

You have no idea what will be there in round 2 or any other round.

Just because the draft might be deep at one position, doesn't mean that a player at that position - with the skillset you are looking for - will be available.
RE: Who do you draft?  
Victor in CT : 3/12/2018 9:59 am : link
In comment 13859567 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Eli/Roethlisberger/Rivers or a 230 lb Marshall Faulk?

You can't mess around with the qb position in this league.


none of these QBs are Eli/Ben/Rivers. That's where you and all the others run into a problem. And it seems that most of the league is coming around to that conclusion. This QB calss can be good, but all of them have serious ?? and none are sure bets that you absolutely must spend a top 5 pick on.
RE: RE: Who do you draft?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/12/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13859597 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13859567 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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Eli/Roethlisberger/Rivers or a 230 lb Marshall Faulk?

You can't mess around with the qb position in this league.



none of these QBs are Eli/Ben/Rivers. That's where you and all the others run into a problem. And it seems that most of the league is coming around to that conclusion. This QB calss can be good, but all of them have serious ?? and none are sure bets that you absolutely must spend a top 5 pick on.


There's a reason Roethlisberger was an absolute steal at 11, it's once in a generation you get a Luck or Elway. This class of qb is a bit more flawed, but also some great pluses. Darnold fills out the most checkboxes, Rosen could be a more athletic Tom Brady, and Allen is the reincarnation of John Elway. I don't care for Mayfield.
I really hope the team doesn't over think this one  
UberAlias : 3/12/2018 10:23 am : link
It should be Darnold or Barkley. And I really like Rosen but I think there are risks there we can avoid.

Darnold is going to be a stud. He's got Luck type ability. Give him a year behind Eli to work on fumble issues and tweaks to motion and he will be the next of NFLs rising star QBs, possibly along with Wentz.

If he's not there, you go Barkley. You have uncertainty for future at QB, so spend a year working to develop Webb and see where you are next year.

These are the two who can have the biggest impact on the team. Rosen and Allen too perhaps, but more risks there you let someone else take a gamble on.

For Christ sakes, let's not over think this one.
RE: RE: Barkley should be the #1 pick to the Browns  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13859431 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13859419 SHO'NUFF said:


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But not worth our #2 pick?



No one thinks Barkley isn't WORTH the #2 overall pick. But there are 2-3 QBs who are also worth the #2 pick and the Giants need a QB in order to have any chance to compete.


Did Eli die?

And plenty of people in here have stated that it would be stupid to pick a RB at #2.
RE: I really hope the team doesn't over think this one  
barens : 3/12/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13859631 UberAlias said:
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It should be Darnold or Barkley. And I really like Rosen but I think there are risks there we can avoid.

Darnold is going to be a stud. He's got Luck type ability. Give him a year behind Eli to work on fumble issues and tweaks to motion and he will be the next of NFLs rising star QBs, possibly along with Wentz.

If he's not there, you go Barkley. You have uncertainty for future at QB, so spend a year working to develop Webb and see where you are next year.

These are the two who can have the biggest impact on the team. Rosen and Allen too perhaps, but more risks there you let someone else take a gamble on.

For Christ sakes, let's not over think this one.


That's basically what I believe as well, although I wouldn't be disappointed with Rosen either.
RE: I really hope the team doesn't over think this one  
DonnieD89 : 3/12/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13859631 UberAlias said:
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It should be Darnold or Barkley. And I really like Rosen but I think there are risks there we can avoid.

Darnold is going to be a stud. He's got Luck type ability. Give him a year behind Eli to work on fumble issues and tweaks to motion and he will be the next of NFLs rising star QBs, possibly along with Wentz.

If he's not there, you go Barkley. You have uncertainty for future at QB, so spend a year working to develop Webb and see where you are next year.

These are the two who can have the biggest impact on the team. Rosen and Allen too perhaps, but more risks there you let someone else take a gamble on.

For Christ sakes, let's not over think this one.


I 100% agree that it should not be over thought. Take whomever is left between Darnold and Barkley. It's a win win situation. If Darnold hits a home run at his pro day on March 21st, this discussion will be pretty much moot IMO.
RE: RE: I really hope the team doesn't over think this one  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2018 11:17 am : link
In comment 13859720 DonnieD89 said:
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In comment 13859631 UberAlias said:


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It should be Darnold or Barkley. And I really like Rosen but I think there are risks there we can avoid.

Darnold is going to be a stud. He's got Luck type ability. Give him a year behind Eli to work on fumble issues and tweaks to motion and he will be the next of NFLs rising star QBs, possibly along with Wentz.

If he's not there, you go Barkley. You have uncertainty for future at QB, so spend a year working to develop Webb and see where you are next year.

These are the two who can have the biggest impact on the team. Rosen and Allen too perhaps, but more risks there you let someone else take a gamble on.

For Christ sakes, let's not over think this one.



I 100% agree that it should not be over thought. Take whomever is left between Darnold and Barkley. It's a win win situation. If Darnold hits a home run at his pro day on March 21st, this discussion will be pretty much moot IMO.


Then it could become a Rosen or Barkley decision.
The ONLY way Browns take Barkley at #1  
Stan in LA : 3/12/2018 11:54 am : link
Is if they tread up to #2 to take their QB. Otherwise, they take QB at #1.
More than anything, Cle needs to come out of this draft  
Keith : 3/12/2018 12:02 pm : link
with a QB, specifically in the 1st round. Now how they do that could be up for debate, but nobody can answer without knowing their draft board. If they have a QB clear cut over anyone else, then they need to take that guy first. If they have a few guys clustered, then that can draft a different position and wait until 4 for the QB. A franchise QB is much more important than Barkley for the Browns, IMO.
RE: The ONLY way Browns take Barkley at #1  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2018 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13859787 Stan in LA said:
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Is if they tread up to #2 to take their QB. Otherwise, they take QB at #1.


yep
RE: RE: The ONLY way Browns take Barkley at #1  
Victor in CT : 3/12/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13859830 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13859787 Stan in LA said:


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Is if they tread up to #2 to take their QB. Otherwise, they take QB at #1.



yep


not necessarily. from all indications there are 4 QBs slated for the top of the draft in Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, then possibly Jackson later in Rd 1. All have their warts. What if they like all of them but have no conviction on any of the 4 and believe that they can develop any one of them?
Hope Cleveland Takes Barkley  
giantstock : 3/12/2018 1:57 pm : link
That will leave the G-Men with their pick of QB.
Barkley makes any OL better  
VinegarPeppers : 3/12/2018 2:52 pm : link
And that should be considered if he's around at 2. If not, trade down and go for Nelson, McGlinchey or Will Hernandez.

I just don't have an interest in any of these QBs with Eli and Webb on the roster.
My point is ...  
Manny in CA : 3/12/2018 8:09 pm : link

The Browns have backed themselves into a corner to take THE QB of their dreams. (Which they can STILL have, if they trade with us).

IF they take Barkley (Which they'd be out-of-their minds not to), they risk us taking the QB they really want (Which doesn't have to happen if they trade with us).

Recall, Ernie wanted Eli (over Rivers and Rothlisberger) and gave up the farm for him. Jumping up from #4 to #2 is not going to cost what it did the Giants, back then



RE: They can STILL get Barkley ....  
mrvax : 3/12/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13859391 Manny in CA said:
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AND their choice of the Draft QBs if they trade with us for the #2 over-all pick


To ensure they get Barkley & that specific QB, they'd have to work a deal with the Giants.

Anything is possible.
RE: More than anything, Cle needs to come out of this draft  
mrvax : 3/12/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13859805 Keith said:
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with a QB, specifically in the 1st round. Now how they do that could be up for debate, but nobody can answer without knowing their draft board. If they have a QB clear cut over anyone else, then they need to take that guy first. If they have a few guys clustered, then that can draft a different position and wait until 4 for the QB. A franchise QB is much more important than Barkley for the Browns, IMO.



I agree, Keith. They need to finally get their QB. The question is "Do the Giants believe Eli & Webb are good enough"?

This draft could go in so many ways.
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