Jpp season last year
70 tackles 8.5 sacks 11 tackles for loss and 5 pass break ups all while playing a full 16 games.. Not all pro worthy but a pretty good year
Vernon was obviously injured for a good amount of games but was 2nd team all pro in 2016
My point being I see people ripping these guys every chance they get but in reality this is a damn good pair of bookends when healthy I know the contracts are huge but hey you can do alot worse then these 2 in this league and it's not easy to do a whole lot better
Sidenote hard to believe JPP way back in 2011 was the last quality DL this franchise has drafted ..
Last year was not the best but i dont mind moving forward over the next few seasons with these 2... U can do alot worse in this league and it's not easier to find better
Bottom line is they are both very useful players. Not the most dynamic guys but they play the run well and are good for 7-10 sacks a year if healthy.
When they give an odd front, OV will be an OLB.
They will be multiple in the schemes so you must look at the DE/OLB as edge players, which both JPP and OV are. If they give a 4 man front JPP could move inside like he did in 2011, his best year.
The main concerns/problems with JPP are two-fold. Very injury prone and not the sharpest tool in the shed. I have never seen an individual who doesn't give effort. To my eye, I feel I'm always seeing the opposite with him, chasing down run plays from behind, not quitting on plays, etc.
Regarding injuries, it's been a bad back, shoulder, groin/hernia that has affected him or kept him out at various times throughout his career. But he has also played through a lot of it and played pretty well considering.
Because he's not the brightest guy, he accidentally blew off his hand with fireworks, which to me was more of a personal tragedy for him than it was an indication of a selfish or bad guy. He also provides some of the weirdest, almost nonsensical interviews which I think turns a lot of fans off.
It is what it is.
My take on JPP is that he is a very good player who should have been great. A little disappointing from that standpoint but he does have one great season under his belt which directly led to a Super Bowl title, so for that I will always think highly of him.
Giants need some solid depth at the position to keep them both fresh.
I never miss a game ... Last year was a average year for Vernon with all the injuries and JPP was up and down but I wouldn't classify his year as bad.
My point being you can do alot worse then these 2 and it aint easy to do alot better
Biggest problem on Defense last year was our horrible, pitiful Offense and our back 7 couldn't cover or tackle people
The issue with both players is productive relative to cost is way out of whack, and it trickles into other areas of the team going unimproved as a result.
The main concerns/problems with JPP are two-fold. Very injury prone and not the sharpest tool in the shed. I have never seen an individual who doesn't give effort. To my eye, I feel I'm always seeing the opposite with him, chasing down run plays from behind, not quitting on plays, etc.
Regarding injuries, it's been a bad back, shoulder, groin/hernia that has affected him or kept him out at various times throughout his career. But he has also played through a lot of it and played pretty well considering.
Because he's not the brightest guy, he accidentally blew off his hand with fireworks, which to me was more of a personal tragedy for him than it was an indication of a selfish or bad guy. He also provides some of the weirdest, almost nonsensical interviews which I think turns a lot of fans off.
It is what it is.
My take on JPP is that he is a very good player who should have been great. A little disappointing from that standpoint but he does have one great season under his belt which directly led to a Super Bowl title, so for that I will always think highly of him.
I cant understand how people have personal vendettas against particular players.. Very strange
How can you not like a guy who has played for your fav team for this long and made so many plays for this franchise
Also the effort thing with JPP the guy plays 90% of the snaps give me a break people who wanna question effort from there sofa lmao
Also don't question his intelligence bro it's insulting and foolish .. The guy made a mistake like we all have in our lives
This is why I don't see a classic 3-4. Moving JJP or Vernon to LB! Sounds like one of the worst ideas I can imagine.
Vernon is still a good player. Overpaid due to FA, yes. But he can consistently make an impact if the DC can find a role that fits him.
And as others said, neither player can be counted on to play the amount of plays as they've played the last couple years. Need to have a rotation and keep them doing what they do best.
JPP needs rest as well as Vernon. I'd definitely look to get a Defensive End in the draft. 2nd round while getting 3 OLinemen in Free Agency.
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This is why I don't see a classic 3-4. Moving JJP or Vernon to LB! Sounds like one of the worst ideas I can imagine.
Except Vernon played some OLB with Miami before he came here and he has rushed from a 2 point stance many times since becoming a Giant. I doubt he is the 275 he is listed at anyway. He is a weak side edge rusher and can drop into the flat if necessary. Not much of a stretch for him.
Gettleman fancies himself a line builder -both sides-so get to work !
I do think ttat Vernon might be able to play OLB and be effective. He does have a motor. Do you think that is possible JonC?
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be moved to LB?
This is why I don't see a classic 3-4. Moving JJP or Vernon to LB! Sounds like one of the worst ideas I can imagine.
Except Vernon played some OLB with Miami before he came here and he has rushed from a 2 point stance many times since becoming a Giant. I doubt he is the 275 he is listed at anyway. He is a weak side edge rusher and can drop into the flat if necessary. Not much of a stretch for him.
Not really convinced. He's excellent as a hand in the dirt DE that plays the run well That he stands up on pass rush downs or can "drop into the flat" doesn't make him a LB.
The main concerns/problems with JPP are two-fold. Very injury prone and not the sharpest tool in the shed. I have never seen an individual who doesn't give effort. To my eye, I feel I'm always seeing the opposite with him, chasing down run plays from behind, not quitting on plays, etc.
Regarding injuries, it's been a bad back, shoulder, groin/hernia that has affected him or kept him out at various times throughout his career. But he has also played through a lot of it and played pretty well considering.
Because he's not the brightest guy, he accidentally blew off his hand with fireworks, which to me was more of a personal tragedy for him than it was an indication of a selfish or bad guy. He also provides some of the weirdest, almost nonsensical interviews which I think turns a lot of fans off.
It is what it is.
My take on JPP is that he is a very good player who should have been great. A little disappointing from that standpoint but he does have one great season under his belt which directly led to a Super Bowl title, so for that I will always think highly of him.
The problem with JPP is he never played a lot of football before college .....
I don’t think he played much high school ball but he’s a great athlete for a man his size which makes up for his lack of football knowledge I would think ,so in essence he’s one of those guys that keeps learning stuff everyday .... and when he wants he does hustle pretty darn good.
The main concerns/problems with JPP are two-fold. Very injury prone and not the sharpest tool in the shed. I have never seen an individual who doesn't give effort. To my eye, I feel I'm always seeing the opposite with him, chasing down run plays from behind, not quitting on plays, etc.
Regarding injuries, it's been a bad back, shoulder, groin/hernia that has affected him or kept him out at various times throughout his career. But he has also played through a lot of it and played pretty well considering.
Because he's not the brightest guy, he accidentally blew off his hand with fireworks, which to me was more of a personal tragedy for him than it was an indication of a selfish or bad guy. He also provides some of the weirdest, almost nonsensical interviews which I think turns a lot of fans off.
It is what it is.
My take on JPP is that he is a very good player who should have been great. A little disappointing from that standpoint but he does have one great season under his belt which directly led to a Super Bowl title, so for that I will always think highly of him.
The problem with JPP is he never played a lot of football before college .....
I don’t think he played much high school ball but he’s a great athlete for a man his size which makes up for his lack of football knowledge I would think ,so in essence he’s one of those guys that keeps learning stuff everyday .... and when he wants he does hustle pretty darn good.
The main concerns/problems with JPP are two-fold. Very injury prone and not the sharpest tool in the shed. I have never seen an individual who doesn't give effort. To my eye, I feel I'm always seeing the opposite with him, chasing down run plays from behind, not quitting on plays, etc.
Regarding injuries, it's been a bad back, shoulder, groin/hernia that has affected him or kept him out at various times throughout his career. But he has also played through a lot of it and played pretty well considering.
Because he's not the brightest guy, he accidentally blew off his hand with fireworks, which to me was more of a personal tragedy for him than it was an indication of a selfish or bad guy. He also provides some of the weirdest, almost nonsensical interviews which I think turns a lot of fans off.
It is what it is.
My take on JPP is that he is a very good player who should have been great. A little disappointing from that standpoint but he does have one great season under his belt which directly led to a Super Bowl title, so for that I will always think highly of him.
The problem with JPP is he never played a lot of football before college .....
I don’t think he played much high school ball but he’s a great athlete for a man his size which makes up for his lack of football knowledge I would think ,so in essence he’s one of those guys that keeps learning stuff everyday .... and when he wants he does hustle pretty darn good.
If so he will be a more stand up outside guy as he won't be able to anchor the end spot in our new 3-4 (ish) alignment.
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He's a different athlete at 270, much more effective and tends to stay healthier.
What ticks me off the most about BBI and JPP relationship is that people thinks he is lazy and does put 100% effort.. I bet he puts more effort into each play than 95% of BBIers ever put into their work.. I just don't buy that he doesn't put the effort..
classic old people on the internet
In his early years he used his freakish athleticism and raw effort to make his mark. But back issues slowed him down, and then a blown off hand & money in his pocket have turned him into a non-factor for games on end.
Every now and then he gets to face a weak backup or rookie Tackle and then he, all of sudden, is seen around the QB. Most times he hangs around the LOS though.
we were robbed...
He needs to cut some weight and drop his snap count.
We also need an explosive edge rusher to help. Right now we don't have one.
Draft Turay from Rutgers in round 3 as a situational rush guy. He'll impact year 1.
High or high ish pick.
Your going to see some lighter faster ilbs and all parts of the front 7, including a slimmed down JPP, Vernon, would function better with two snackes types up front.
That's not to the exclusion of drafting more olb/4 type de's either.
The lines are an emphasis this year.
Expect jpp and Vernon to have more designed attack lanes less 'holdem up and wait'
No to your terribly flawed argument.
We might not end up in cap hell, but where the money is spent still matters. These two contracts have been disasters.
Not a sack, but prevents pass completion.
And not everyone has that skill. Vernon in five year career has exactly 1.