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To go from 2 to 12  
est1986 : 3/12/2018 6:12 pm : link
I need 22 + their 2nd round picks, next year's first, Kelvin Benjamin and Lesean McCoy just to begin to think about it.
RE: This is going to be unfair to say but fuck it  
yatqb : 3/12/2018 6:21 pm : link
In comment 13860567 est1986 said:
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If Dave G fails in free agency, I won't be confident at all in what he is going to do in the draft with the 2nd pick. In other words, he better get his guy Norwell or it may end up the first of many mistakes this fucking guy makes. Get it done Gettlemen.


That seems ridiculous to me. There are teams with a huge monetary advantage over us w/re to the cap. If they bid some exorbitant amount for Norwell We might not want or be able to match that.

I'd be disappointed, as Norwell is an important get for us, but I'm not gonna give up on DG or our future with him over one deal he couldn't land when we weren't competing on even terms.
RE: A name I am keeping close tabs on  
adamg : 3/12/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13860090 Sy'56 said:
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Quinton Spain - OG/TEN

If Norwell if just too expesive, Spain is a guy I would take here in a heartbeat. TEN may not be able to throw more money in to that OL, and this guy has been a top 6 OG in the NFL the past 2 years. I have some agent-contacts and they all think he is going to be a RFA.

TEN will have the right to match the offer, but they have to allocate money elsewhere.


Good call. Thanks for the heads up.
RE: This is going to be unfair to say but fuck it  
Jay on the Island : 3/12/2018 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13860567 est1986 said:
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If Dave G fails in free agency, I won't be confident at all in what he is going to do in the draft with the 2nd pick. In other words, he better get his guy Norwell or it may end up the first of many mistakes this fucking guy makes. Get it done Gettlemen.

That's a bit ridiculous. The Giants don't have a lot of cap room to work with this year as DG walked into a less than ideal situation. He is still working on signing the best available FA offensive linemen but he is competing with teams with much more cap room.
RE: Dropping from  
aimrocky : 3/12/2018 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13860575 mattyblue said:
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2 to 12 would be a terrible decision.


But many of the mouth breathing invalids on BBI say its a great idea...

A trade down to 12 would merit more than a remote throw. Im tossing the TV off my roof.
Yeah move  
TommyWiseau : 3/12/2018 6:43 pm : link
Down to 12 in a draft thats top heavy with possibly 6 studs who will all be gone by then. No fucking thanks
RE: Yeah move  
yankeeslover : 3/12/2018 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13860612 TommyWiseau said:
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Down to 12 in a draft thats top heavy with possibly 6 studs who will all be gone by then. No fucking thanks


Yeah, but we can have two 1st round picks instead of 1. Who needs a stud player as long as you have a bunch of picks. Did Brown's real well when they did it.
My preference is  
aimrocky : 3/12/2018 6:48 pm : link
Rosen, Darnold, Barkley. I can live with Allen. Outside of those 4, my thinking is that management got too cute with the pick.
RE: RE: Yeah move  
aimrocky : 3/12/2018 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13860616 yankeeslover said:
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Down to 12 in a draft thats top heavy with possibly 6 studs who will all be gone by then. No fucking thanks



Yeah, but we can have two 1st round picks instead of 1. Who needs a stud player as long as you have a bunch of picks. Did Brown's real well when they did it.


Really? Last time I checked, the Browns have 1 win in 2 years. Real successful...
RE: RE: RE: Yeah move  
yankeeslover : 3/12/2018 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13860618 aimrocky said:
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In comment 13860612 TommyWiseau said:


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Down to 12 in a draft thats top heavy with possibly 6 studs who will all be gone by then. No fucking thanks



Yeah, but we can have two 1st round picks instead of 1. Who needs a stud player as long as you have a bunch of picks. Did Brown's real well when they did it.



Really? Last time I checked, the Browns have 1 win in 2 years. Real successful...


Lol. I was kidding if you couldn't tell. I do not want to move anywhere. Only argument should be is If we pick a qb or Barkley, not on how far we should move. Stay where we are.
Got it.  
aimrocky : 3/12/2018 6:54 pm : link
My apologies on the snarky response. The repetitive trade down threads are becoming tiresome.
Wow  
Jay on the Island : 3/12/2018 6:57 pm : link
The Texans are rumored to be close with former Chiefs guard Zach Fulton. The deal reportedly is in the 7 million per season range. Fulton is a guy I wanted the Giants to sign but at that price no thanks. I assume that Chris Hubbard will get at least that much now if true.
Because acculmiating picks is the cool thing to do  
yankeeslover : 3/12/2018 7:01 pm : link
But this team lacks blue chip talent. As I said yesterday, if Eli was 5 years younger then I move down and get more picks but at this time it would be a real shame If we can't come away with our qb of future.
We don't pick #2 often. Stay there and try to grab your next qb for 10 years. Don't get cute or in two years we will be in same position as bills are today.
RE: Because acculmiating picks is the cool thing to do  
Jay on the Island : 3/12/2018 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13860628 yankeeslover said:
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But this team lacks blue chip talent. As I said yesterday, if Eli was 5 years younger then I move down and get more picks but at this time it would be a real shame If we can't come away with our qb of future.
We don't pick #2 often. Stay there and try to grab your next qb for 10 years. Don't get cute or in two years we will be in same position as bills are today.

Agreed, the Browns have accumulated picks over the past few years and that hasn't worked out well for them. This team is in position to get it's next franchise QB without giving up multiple assets to move up in the draft as they did with Eli.
I an open to pick the best QB, Barkley  
George from PA : 3/12/2018 7:07 pm : link
Or even...a trade down twice....with Cleveland and Buffalo....for a slew of premium picks.

I can understand all 3 of these options.
Not unless  
yankeeslover : 3/12/2018 7:10 pm : link
Giants brass doesn't have any player outside of Barkley rated high. If that's the case then I can see the trade argument.
I think there's an argument to be had for trading down  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2018 7:15 pm : link
But it requires you to believe that this team is a few rookies away from mattering, and that Eli, who will finish the 2018 season at age 38, has enough years and ability left that it's worth dealing with another 3 win season that they'll have to have to get their next QB.
RE: RE: Looks like the Bills  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2018 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13860476 jeff57 said:
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Are positioning themselves to possibly trade up for a QB. Dropping from 12 into the top 10 is much more palatable than dropping from the 20's.



How about the Giants trade the 2 to Buffalo for picks 12, 22, 53 and 55?


Also need a 1st for 2019 in case you want to trade up for a QB.
the conversation starts with 3 #1's  
Dankbeerman : 3/12/2018 8:04 pm : link
2 this year, 1 next. Then 2 or 3 more day 2 picks in the next 2 years.

2018: 1,1,2,3
2019: 1,3

Boy  
bigfrank612 : 3/12/2018 8:12 pm : link
Has today been BORING. I didnt expect 10 signings throughout the NFL but we usually hear about 2-3 that are essentially done deals across the league. A real Debbie downer today.
RE: Boy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2018 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13860698 bigfrank612 said:
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Has today been BORING. I didnt expect 10 signings throughout the NFL but we usually hear about 2-3 that are essentially done deals across the league. A real Debbie downer today.


There's a lot of teams with money. It makes things drag out longer.
Yea  
bigfrank612 : 3/12/2018 8:23 pm : link
That makes sense. I didnt think a Kirk or Norwell would be signed. I more or less expected a Trumaine Johnson, Allen Robinson types to be close to deals.
RE: RE: Boy  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2018 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13860699 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Has today been BORING. I didnt expect 10 signings throughout the NFL but we usually hear about 2-3 that are essentially done deals across the league. A real Debbie downer today.



There's a lot of teams with money. It makes things drag out longer.


Well that, and the fact that FA doesn't start until Weds. Today only start the "legal tampering" window.
Down to  
bigfrank612 : 3/12/2018 8:48 pm : link
NYG, SF, and IND for Norwell. Im getting more and more worried that we miss out on him to SF.
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Will the Bills trade again before their potential big trade?  
Giantimistic : 3/12/2018 9:52 pm : link
I think it is possible that the Bills try and move their 12th pick into the top ten before they go after the Giants, Colts or Broncos picks. I am not crazy about going down to 12, but if we could have two first round picks and a whole other windfall, I would feel better at a 7,8,9 with the potential players available.

That all being said, I want Barkley after watching his clips. I used to watch any Lion game I could just to see Barry Sanders. I loved Tiki's great years from a pure entertainment standpoint. If we can fix the oline and have Beckham, Barkly, Engram, that may just amazingly fun to watch.
RE: Down to  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/12/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13860735 bigfrank612 said:
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NYG, SF, and IND for Norwell. Im getting more and more worried that we miss out on him to SF. Link - ( New Window )


Both teams have more cap flexibility, I wont be surprised or upset if he goes to either over us.
Giants  
Mr. Nickels : 3/12/2018 10:25 pm : link
interest in Malcolm Butler along with Lions Seahawks Raiders
Grimes  
Dragon : 3/12/2018 11:10 pm : link
Got a one year 10 mil from TB, what about DRC his game is just about the same or is being a former Giant really bad news?
RE: Giants  
Strahan91 : 3/12/2018 11:43 pm : link
In comment 13860830 Mr. Nickels said:
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interest in Malcolm Butler along with Lions Seahawks Raiders


Source? Havent seen this anywhere else
RE: RE: This is going to be unfair to say but fuck it  
old man : 3/13/2018 12:03 am : link
In comment 13860601 Jay on the Island said:
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If Dave G fails in free agency, I won't be confident at all in what he is going to do in the draft with the 2nd pick. In other words, he better get his guy Norwell or it may end up the first of many mistakes this fucking guy makes. Get it done Gettlemen.

+1..
Reese left this franchise in as poor a situation as the good situation EA left for him.
Poor/very poor draft selections in general...devoid of talent across the OL and LB...expensive FA contracts due to poor drafting and therefore somewhat cap strapped in a poor FA market with few standouts at positions of need and with our competition in better position to outbid us...and only 5 picks.
This is not a 1 draft...2 draft fix...and our 1 of likely 2 marketable commodities (jackrabbit the other) is a headcase in maybe alittle trouble and even if innocent is a sell low commodity right now.
Norwell is a dream that maybe comes true...but if not maybe that 13/14M can yield 2-3 position players> what we have.
DG is a GM...not a miracle worker....Stay calm.



That's a bit ridiculous. The Giants don't have a lot of cap room to work with this year as DG walked into a less than ideal situation. He is still working on signing the best available FA offensive linemen but he is competing with teams with much more cap room.
RE: Strong chance McGlinchey is there @ 12 anyway  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/13/2018 3:28 am : link
In comment 13860477 Chris684 said:
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this really doesnt make sense for Cincinnati.

Strong chance that McGlinchey is a RT in the NFL, so that's not necessarily relevant.
RE: RE: Strong chance McGlinchey is there @ 12 anyway  
allstarjim : 3/13/2018 3:35 am : link
In comment 13860950 Gatorade Dunk said:
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this really doesnt make sense for Cincinnati.


Strong chance that McGlinchey is a RT in the NFL, so that's not necessarily relevant.


I strongly disagree. McGlinchey has very good feet and I expect he will be a good LT in the NFL. I think he can play both, and he may start on the right side, but eventually he'll make his career as a LT. Really good player. Best OT I've studied in this draft so far.
With Norwell headed to Jacksonville  
Emil : 3/13/2018 6:53 am : link
Giants are on to plan B on the oline. They have to fix that unit, especially if Eli is the starter this year.

I know this position is not popular with everyone here. But maybe you pursue Solder, sign Sitton, and draft OL in round one. Denver is less desperate than they were yesterday and dont have to move up. Still might. But you can draft Nelson at 2 or trade with the Jets or even Buffalo and still get McGlichney. I wouldnt rule out trading with Buffalo. The boat load of picks would help fix this team for the long haul without stressing the cap.
DRC visiting Washington  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2018 7:14 am : link
Barf
RE: DRC visiting Washington  
Emil : 3/13/2018 7:21 am : link
In comment 13861033 Rjanyg said:
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Barf


Could see that happening. They need a third CB, and their second cb is a FA.
Sammy Watkins  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2018 7:38 am : link
Is a great grab for KC. Wonder what the numbers look like.
RE: Sammy Watkins  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 13861077 bigbluehoya said:
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Is a great grab for KC. Wonder what the numbers look like.


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Josh Sitton  
Rflairr : 3/13/2018 7:40 am : link
Still out there?
RE: With Norwell headed to Jacksonville  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2018 7:45 am : link
In comment 13861003 Emil said:
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Giants are on to plan B on the oline. They have to fix that unit, especially if Eli is the starter this year.

I know this position is not popular with everyone here. But maybe you pursue Solder, sign Sitton, and draft OL in round one. Denver is less desperate than they were yesterday and dont have to move up. Still might. But you can draft Nelson at 2 or trade with the Jets or even Buffalo and still get McGlichney. I wouldnt rule out trading with Buffalo. The boat load of picks would help fix this team for the long haul without stressing the cap.


I wanted Norwell here so we could have a proven OL piece to build around. But in the end, there are good Guards in free agency like Sitton maybe Jensen. The best thing about Norwell was he was entering him prime years. I have hope DG will find some pieces and maybe since we didn't spend so much on one player.
It's probably time to stop parroting outdated axioms  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 7:45 am : link
about how much certain positions just can't be paid. It's quite clear the league, which is making more money than ever, has shifted it's thinking.
Since Norwell is gone  
BigBlueHens : 3/13/2018 8:12 am : link
Is DJ Fluker a possibility?
There are no shortcuts  
Essex : 3/13/2018 8:13 am : link
We are a 3-13 team with a 37 year old qb. I love Eli, but trying to rebuild for him with an overpaid guard and a drafting Barkley is stupid. It is time to go out there and draft a new qb and rebuild the line over the next year or two with successsful draft picks. Hopefully, this puts to bed any thoughts of a quick rebuild.
Just afraid now  
yankeeslover : 3/13/2018 8:23 am : link
That this will prevent us from going QB round 1. We have no linemen. I was all aboard the Qb train. So for those looking to pass on Qb, what is the plan for our future there?
Pissed off that Reese left our line like this. We had the perfect opportunity to setup one qb to another like 49ers, packers, colts. Doesn't happen often and now we're fucked from doing that.
KC signs LB Hitchens from the Cowboys  
1st and 10 : 3/13/2018 8:24 am : link
$9 million per year.
RE: There are no shortcuts  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 8:26 am : link
In comment 13861147 Essex said:
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We are a 3-13 team with a 37 year old qb. I love Eli, but trying to rebuild for him with an overpaid guard and a drafting Barkley is stupid. It is time to go out there and draft a new qb and rebuild the line over the next year or two with successsful draft picks. Hopefully, this puts to bed any thoughts of a quick rebuild.


+1
RE: Just afraid now  
Dave in PA : 3/13/2018 8:32 am : link
In comment 13861164 yankeeslover said:
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That this will prevent us from going QB round 1. We have no linemen. I was all aboard the Qb train. So for those looking to pass on Qb, what is the plan for our future there?
Pissed off that Reese left our line like this. We had the perfect opportunity to setup one qb to another like 49ers, packers, colts. Doesn't happen often and now we're fucked from doing that.
They can still very easily take a QB at 2 with or without Norwell. Its not like he was going to single handedly revamp the play of the entire unit. Secure the QB, then worry about whos going to block for him especially since Eli will be starting in 2018 and technically could also be in 2019
I am almost relived  
BigBlueHens : 3/13/2018 8:35 am : link
DG didn't overpay for Norwell. Instead of getting stuck in major contracts, focus on picking up players with good value.

JPP and Vernon come to mind.
Alright  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 8:59 am : link
so we missed out.....let's regroup:

Solder is still out there
Kelemente can probably be had for a fraction of what Solder cost
Any other OL of note?
RE: I am almost relived  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 8:59 am : link
In comment 13861190 BigBlueHens said:
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DG didn't overpay for Norwell. Instead of getting stuck in major contracts, focus on picking up players with good value.

JPP and Vernon come to mind.


I'm dissapointed that we didn't get Norwell but with that price tag we could sign 2 solid guys and upgrade 2 positions on the OL instead of 1/5.
RE: Alright  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 13861253 ryanmkeane said:
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so we missed out.....let's regroup:

Solder is still out there
Kelemente can probably be had for a fraction of what Solder cost
Any other OL of note?


Justin Pugh, Ryan Jensen, Josh Sitton, Chris Hubbard, Brandon Fusco, Jack Mewhort, Josh Kline
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