Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
3/12/18, 8:40 PM
Hearing All-Pro guard Andrew Norwell is down to three finalists: #49ers, #Colts and #NYGiants, per league source.
Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
3/12/18, 8:49 PM
I'm told #NYGiants still confident they will land Norwell, but they've got to beat out 49ers and Colts.
"All in on Norwell" is how one league source described it when I asked about NYG action today.
Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
3/12/18, 8:58 PM
That's just it: I've been asking around all day and have gotten the sense from numerous people that for right now Giants' focus is on Andrew Norwell
(It’s really not as SF can offer more), why would Norwell choose the NYG? SF is a better team/destination at this stage by all accounts. I’m hoping he signs, but should he not, then concern sets in as the FA OL talent just isn’t there.
New York area gives you access to New York, but some people hate NY. Other people love playing in NY. High taxes, housing is moderate to expensive. Franchise seems to be rebuilding.
Bay Area is beautiful, great weather, high taxes, housing is super expensive. Franchise seems to be at the end of its rebuild and is on the rise.
Indianapolis, smaller city, less media attention, lower taxes, lower cost of living. Next season, the franchise lives or dies on the tenuous health of Andrew Luck.
(It’s really not as SF can offer more), why would Norwell choose the NYG? SF is a better team/destination at this stage by all accounts. I’m hoping he signs, but should he not, then concern sets in as the FA OL talent just isn’t there.
There's gotta be a hell of a sales pitch along with the will to spend money. But teams that aren't winners get players all the time. One can just as well ask why any of the big FA's the giants have signed in the past 5 years have wanted to come here.
I would like to see the Giants target Chris Hubbard, Jack Mewhort, and John Sullivan.
Mewhort has had injury concerns over the past two years but if he is willing to sign a prove it deal or a contract loaded with playing time incentives then he would be a great addition as he has been very good when healthy.
Hubbard can play both guard and RT so he would be a very valuable piece for the offensive line.
Sullivan played surprisingly well for the Rams last season and he would be the perfect short term option at center which would keep Brett Jones on the bench where he is better suited as a good backup.
SF- 64 million in cap space
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space
WOW If Gettleman pulls this off
thanks, wasn't aware colts had that much space too
No Problem
And I know Overthecap have the Giants at 20.5 million but if reports were true about Ogletree's 7million roster bonus becoming a signing bonus then the Giants will get extra 5.8million in cap space
there is a backup plan part 1 ,and 2 if necessary.
DG seems intensely organized, plus I think, after at least 3 solid offseason of ownership near dormancy and just talking the talk, I feel sure JM/ ST are diligently making sure I's are dotted and T's are crossed to get the team to winning and Giants football.
I want the giants to rebuild the Oline as much as anyone but I’m not losing sleep if they miss out on him. Overpaying a guard is risky. Why aren’t they in on Solder???
Both these teams can structure the bonuses and the initial batch of guaranteed money in a way that prevents the Giants from really being able to match.
Both these teams can structure the bonuses and the initial batch of guaranteed money in a way that prevents the Giants from really being able to match.
How far above the Zeitler deal of 5/60 and 18 in year 1 cash do you think teams are going to go?
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I want the giants to rebuild the Oline as much as anyone but I’m not losing sleep if they miss out on him. Overpaying a guard is risky. Why aren’t they in on Solder???
Solder will be 30. Norwell is 26
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.
Not sure if serious
I haven't written a post any more serious...
I was afraid of that, sigh
Bidding wars on Guards make no sense based on where this team resides in the pecking order. Make an attractive offer and say take it or leave it.
You can't possibly believe fixing this team means paying the highest salary in the league to a Guard?
If you do, then you can't be serious...
Well that I agree with but “just draft better” isn’t the solution, nor is it a sure fire way to fix the mess we are in. Obviously we will probably draft better with a new regime, but we can’t count on every rookie making the same impact an established veteran like Norwel would provide.
But look at it through this lense - play in NY with a QB on the downside in a division with the defending SB champs, a very solid Dallas team, and a C team in the Skins.
Or...
Go to a team like the 9ers with a bright, young, stud QB under a GM and ownership that has resources and a clear plan. And they have what appears to be one of the brightest offensive minds in the game. Plus, Seattle is in re-build mode, Arizona looks years away, and the jury is out if the Rams are for real or one-hit wonders...
we still have plenty of broken parts, including a dying one at QB.
Spend the money on developing 3 young aggressive guys at 3 different positions versus winning one bidding war on Norwell.
Its a better investment...
Yes, let's pay less and "develop" them like we developed Flowers, and Hart, and all the other crappy talents we have.
I don't know what world you live in where GMs are magically able to do bargain deals with players who turn out to be really good after they "develop." If you want premium talent on the FA market you have to pay for it (or get super lucky).
But look at it through this lense - play in NY with a QB on the downside in a division with the defending SB champs, a very solid Dallas team, and a C team in the Skins.
Or...
Go to a team like the 9ers with a bright, young, stud QB under a GM and ownership that has resources and a clear plan. And they have what appears to be one of the brightest offensive minds in the game. Plus, Seattle is in re-build mode, Arizona looks years away, and the jury is out if the Rams are for real or one-hit wonders...
Seems like an easy sell to me...
Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?
Everyone of those teams are on the rise with young QB’s even the injured guy. The Giants can’t begin to offer the up front money or more likely length of contract for a guard. Very easily both of those teams can present 15 mil the first year with another 26+ mil in the second and third years. It then becomes a simple fact it’s not about the money but it’s really all about the money. The Giants can’t and should not even think twice about doing something outrageous like that with all the needs this team has.
Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?
Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?
Wtf have garap or shanahan ever done ? I'll take shurmur who has had a successful offense, Eli who has won super bowls, the Giants who have been relevant, a GM I know is gonna work to make us better, a GM who gave me my shot, a more talented offense(roster wise). Sorry but it isn't close.
Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?
Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?
Personally I’m looking at it like Garappolo & Shanahan vs Darnold/Rosen & Shurmur. That’s a difficult choice but I also spend a lot of time in the Bay Area and the whole area is a total mess compared to NY/NJ with higher taxes. Not a place I’d like to live (I have to go for work)
Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?
Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?
What about the GM who signed him, won his division each of Norwell's first 2 years, and took him to the SB? Or John Lynch?
3/12/18, 8:49 PM
I'm told #NYGiants still confident they will land Norwell, but they've got to beat out 49ers and Colts.
"All in on Norwell" is how one league source described it when I asked about NYG action today.
3/12/18, 8:58 PM
That's just it: I've been asking around all day and have gotten the sense from numerous people that for right now Giants' focus is on Andrew Norwell
Bay Area is beautiful, great weather, high taxes, housing is super expensive. Franchise seems to be at the end of its rebuild and is on the rise.
Indianapolis, smaller city, less media attention, lower taxes, lower cost of living. Next season, the franchise lives or dies on the tenuous health of Andrew Luck.
Three very different choices.
There's gotta be a hell of a sales pitch along with the will to spend money. But teams that aren't winners get players all the time. One can just as well ask why any of the big FA's the giants have signed in the past 5 years have wanted to come here.
Mewhort has had injury concerns over the past two years but if he is willing to sign a prove it deal or a contract loaded with playing time incentives then he would be a great addition as he has been very good when healthy.
Hubbard can play both guard and RT so he would be a very valuable piece for the offensive line.
Sullivan played surprisingly well for the Rams last season and he would be the perfect short term option at center which would keep Brett Jones on the bench where he is better suited as a good backup.
Amazing how quickly locking down the right QB can turn around the perception of a franchise
huh....why? they were relevant like once in last 10 years lol.
the giants have a lot more talent on the roster.
but sometimes it isn't ..let's hope this time it's the case
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space
WOW If Gettleman pulls this off
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space
WOW If Gettleman pulls this off
thanks, wasn't aware colts had that much space too
Not sure if serious
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SF- 64 million in cap space
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space
WOW If Gettleman pulls this off
thanks, wasn't aware colts had that much space too
No Problem
And I know Overthecap have the Giants at 20.5 million but if reports were true about Ogletree's 7million roster bonus becoming a signing bonus then the Giants will get extra 5.8million in cap space
Shurmur as a player was an OL and I once read that his OL like him because he conceives the offense through the eyes of an OL
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space
WOW If Gettleman pulls this off
I'm afraid money will win out on this.
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If I'm a FA I go SF. Hope he feels differently.
huh....why? they were relevant like once in last 10 years lol.
the giants have a lot more talent on the roster.
Giants have more talent? You sure about that?
DG seems intensely organized, plus I think, after at least 3 solid offseason of ownership near dormancy and just talking the talk, I feel sure JM/ ST are diligently making sure I's are dotted and T's are crossed to get the team to winning and Giants football.
You really can't afford to go crazy too.
How far above the Zeitler deal of 5/60 and 18 in year 1 cash do you think teams are going to go?
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.
Not sure if serious
I haven't written a post any more serious...
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.
Not sure if serious
I haven't written a post any more serious...
I was afraid of that, sigh
Solder will be 30. Norwell is 26
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In comment 13860769 Jimmy Googs said:
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.
Not sure if serious
I haven't written a post any more serious...
I was afraid of that, sigh
Bidding wars on Guards make no sense based on where this team resides in the pecking order. Make an attractive offer and say take it or leave it.
You can't possibly believe fixing this team means paying the highest salary in the league to a Guard?
If you do, then you can't be serious...
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In comment 13860801 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13860777 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 13860769 Jimmy Googs said:
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.
Not sure if serious
I haven't written a post any more serious...
I was afraid of that, sigh
Bidding wars on Guards make no sense based on where this team resides in the pecking order. Make an attractive offer and say take it or leave it.
You can't possibly believe fixing this team means paying the highest salary in the league to a Guard?
If you do, then you can't be serious...
Well that I agree with but “just draft better” isn’t the solution, nor is it a sure fire way to fix the mess we are in. Obviously we will probably draft better with a new regime, but we can’t count on every rookie making the same impact an established veteran like Norwel would provide.
Spend the money on developing 3 young aggressive guys at 3 different positions versus winning one bidding war on Norwell.
Its a better investment...
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space
WOW If Gettleman pulls this off
We're in deep third place. Prepare to be disappointed. I also frankly don't want to pay that kind of money of Norwell. It reeks of desperation.
But look at it through this lense - play in NY with a QB on the downside in a division with the defending SB champs, a very solid Dallas team, and a C team in the Skins.
Or...
Go to a team like the 9ers with a bright, young, stud QB under a GM and ownership that has resources and a clear plan. And they have what appears to be one of the brightest offensive minds in the game. Plus, Seattle is in re-build mode, Arizona looks years away, and the jury is out if the Rams are for real or one-hit wonders...
Seems like an easy sell to me...
Spend the money on developing 3 young aggressive guys at 3 different positions versus winning one bidding war on Norwell.
Its a better investment...
Yes, let's pay less and "develop" them like we developed Flowers, and Hart, and all the other crappy talents we have.
I don't know what world you live in where GMs are magically able to do bargain deals with players who turn out to be really good after they "develop." If you want premium talent on the FA market you have to pay for it (or get super lucky).
But look at it through this lense - play in NY with a QB on the downside in a division with the defending SB champs, a very solid Dallas team, and a C team in the Skins.
Or...
Go to a team like the 9ers with a bright, young, stud QB under a GM and ownership that has resources and a clear plan. And they have what appears to be one of the brightest offensive minds in the game. Plus, Seattle is in re-build mode, Arizona looks years away, and the jury is out if the Rams are for real or one-hit wonders...
Seems like an easy sell to me...
Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?
Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?
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Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?
Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?
Wtf have garap or shanahan ever done ? I'll take shurmur who has had a successful offense, Eli who has won super bowls, the Giants who have been relevant, a GM I know is gonna work to make us better, a GM who gave me my shot, a more talented offense(roster wise). Sorry but it isn't close.
Agree with this. I’d like them to sign Norwell. But you can’t go crazy.
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Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?
Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?
Personally I’m looking at it like Garappolo & Shanahan vs Darnold/Rosen & Shurmur. That’s a difficult choice but I also spend a lot of time in the Bay Area and the whole area is a total mess compared to NY/NJ with higher taxes. Not a place I’d like to live (I have to go for work)
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Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?
Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?
What about the GM who signed him, won his division each of Norwell's first 2 years, and took him to the SB? Or John Lynch?