Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
3/13/18, 6:31 AM
Former Panthers’ G Andrew Norwell intends to sign with the Jaguars on a 5-year deal for $66.5 million, including $30M fully guaranteed, source tells ESPN. He is going to become NFL’s highest paid guard - $13.3 million average.
STFU cry baby, he did all he could that was reasonable
I thought they'd reach out to Solder, we'll see.
Pugh had a great rookie year, Richburg had an awesome 2015 and everyone thought the arrow would be pointing up for Flowers after an up and down rookie year with a high ankle sprain.
None of it happened and I don't know the solution to fix that.
Flowers and Pugh don't strike me as the type of guys that work that hard. I thought Richburg was a worker, but his career here was just weird.
I don't see any other OL worth breaking the bank for. There's some speculative young OTs like Hubbard or Fleming, so they are definitely cost/structure dependent. I think the Giants will be best served rolling the dice on one of those types and looking to last contract vets as bandaids just to stop the bleeding until we can fix it the right way.
I've been saying this for some time Pete. We're 6 years towards a lost decade already with a roster full of holes.
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In comment 13861447 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13861422 WillVAB said:
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Blowing all the cap dollars on stopgaps to fill holes.
Missing out on Norwell sucks but the Giants have to be smart with their money.
Hard to classify a 26 year old player as a stopgap. More of a building block than a quick fix.
I’m talking about these other names being thrown around bc the Giants lost out on Norwell. I wanted Norwell. Would’ve been worth the money.
What I don’t want is for the Giants to panic and dole out bad deals to JAGs.
What do you consider being smart with your money, and which players are you classifying as JAGs?
Jerry, Harris, Vereen, and all the shitty LBs Reese paid for were bad FA deals. Individually their deals seem like a drop in the bucket but collectively their money adds up. I’d rather pay for one or two quality guys in FA than a handful of check in the box guys.
If the Giants want to spend the money they have look for a difference maker at LB or Safety. Otherwise they should just roll it over and use it next year for the guys they’ll need to spend it on.
Time to build the Oline through the draft, and development of young plays (ala the way Carolina did with Norwell years ago).
The good aspect to stopgaps is they're often gone after the season at end, if that's the best that can be done via UFA.
...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.
Why?
Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.
And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.
But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.
I'm imagining what Shurmur and Shula could do developing Darnold...and it's glorious
...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.
Why?
Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.
And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.
But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.
You act like a rookie QB won’t need a competent OL, only Eli does.
If the Giants go QB with a trash OL the “can’t miss franchise QB” will be the next David Carr.
This is a 2-3 year rebuild - so these picks are key to turning over this roster. Next year should be another high draft pick - with 2 #1s and a lot of cap space coming due - target your QB next year, but FIRST - see what you have with Webb. If this team is 1-4 after 5 games - Eli should no longer be starting.
and you know the Giants didn't offer him the same deal how? He could have easily chosen Jax for the weather, no state tax, better team.
This is a 2-3 year rebuild - so these picks are key to turning over this roster. Next year should be another high draft pick - with 2 #1s and a lot of cap space coming due - target your QB next year, but FIRST - see what you have with Webb. If this team is 1-4 after 5 games - Eli should no longer be starting.
You do realize next years qb class will actually not warrant a top 5 pick, right? It's going to be a historically weak class. So targeting a qb next year is a flawed plan.
It is the "I would rather have $1.00 than four quarters" saying.
I agree with you.
I don't blame him. They're a QB away from being perhaps the best team in the league.
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Time to go after Buffalo - grab those 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounders, and a #1 pick next year. That's 8 picks in rounds 1-3 this year - use 4 of them on OL, and start the rebuild up front, use 3 of them on CB/S, and grab a RB with the other.
This is a 2-3 year rebuild - so these picks are key to turning over this roster. Next year should be another high draft pick - with 2 #1s and a lot of cap space coming due - target your QB next year, but FIRST - see what you have with Webb. If this team is 1-4 after 5 games - Eli should no longer be starting.
You do realize next years qb class will actually not warrant a top 5 pick, right? It's going to be a historically weak class. So targeting a qb next year is a flawed plan.
There are other ways to get a QB (FA), and as far as who emerges next year in CFB - will have to see how it plays out. You can't say it's a flawed plan at all when no College QB has thrown a pass yet in 2018 and in bowl games. But if they take a QB with #2 - you do nothing to fill the tons of holes on the this team, so let him sit behind Eli and watch this team go 4-12. Be ready for that
I don't blame him. They're a QB away from being perhaps the best team in the league.
Team and state - yup
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Sounds like Norwell simply chose JAX over us.
I don't blame him. They're a QB away from being perhaps the best team in the league.
Team and state - yup
So state tax laws aside, that would actually mean the NYG are not a desirable destination for FA's given the current state of the roster and all the chaos from a season ago. Awesome.
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...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.
Why?
Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.
And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.
But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.
You act like a rookie QB won’t need a competent OL, only Eli does.
If the Giants go QB with a trash OL the “can’t miss franchise QB” will be the next David Carr.
You are right, but if you are going to keep Eli then throw him to the wolves next season and let the rookie sit for a year. With a couple of draft picks this year and the cap relief from releasing Eli next offseason, they can go after top FA O-lineman. Then they may actually have a competent O-line.
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Sounds like Norwell simply chose JAX over us.
I don't blame him. They're a QB away from being perhaps the best team in the league.
Team and state - yup
$$$$ tax free
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Time to go after Buffalo - grab those 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounders, and a #1 pick next year. That's 8 picks in rounds 1-3 this year - use 4 of them on OL, and start the rebuild up front, use 3 of them on CB/S, and grab a RB with the other.
This is a 2-3 year rebuild - so these picks are key to turning over this roster. Next year should be another high draft pick - with 2 #1s and a lot of cap space coming due - target your QB next year, but FIRST - see what you have with Webb. If this team is 1-4 after 5 games - Eli should no longer be starting.
You do realize next years qb class will actually not warrant a top 5 pick, right? It's going to be a historically weak class. So targeting a qb next year is a flawed plan.
There are other ways to get a QB (FA), and as far as who emerges next year in CFB - will have to see how it plays out. You can't say it's a flawed plan at all when no College QB has thrown a pass yet in 2018 and in bowl games. But if they take a QB with #2 - you do nothing to fill the tons of holes on the this team, so let him sit behind Eli and watch this team go 4-12. Be ready for that
Who are the Giants going to draft that will prevent this team from going 4-12 next year
You expect a trade down and then grab a bunch of starters from 1 draft class? Wishful thinking
...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.
Why?
Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.
And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.
But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.
I think the opposite and felt he would go for one or the other, not two guys who play the same position. I.e. If he landed Norwell he'd be more likely to pass on Nelson but now he might be more inclined to get him.
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...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.
Why?
Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.
And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.
But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.
You act like a rookie QB won’t need a competent OL, only Eli does.
If the Giants go QB with a trash OL the “can’t miss franchise QB” will be the next David Carr.
Oh, no... Eli gets to play behind the "trash OL" while the rookie wears a visor and carries the clip board.
It's only right.
Let the old dog take the whacks... not the spanking new spring pup.
The market for quality O-linemen is beginning to reflect their new scarcity. Guards were never worth that kind of money, but supply is low and demand is high. The market is self-correcting. The price for good guards is going up.
In theory, the supply of quality guards should increase to meet the demand and the increasing money for linemen -- but the lack of quality linemen may be due to structural factors that aren't that flexible (such as diminished practice time and colleges not developing talent at those positions).
So we might be entering a period when very good linemen get paid a lot. But that money has to come from somewhere. Are there any positions where talent is plentiful and guys are easily replaced?
Tough call. Running backs and receivers maybe?
Who are the Giants going to draft that will prevent this team from going 4-12 next year
You expect a trade down and then grab a bunch of starters from 1 draft class? Wishful thinking
As opposed to? Drafting Rosen or Darnold? That's not preventing this team from going 4-12 either. How do you expect for this team to improve such a barren roster, if they do not do it via the draft? If they trade down - they can use this draft to actually build depth and improve the talent on the roster. For all those who are against trading down - I never hear the alternative as to how the rest of the roster will be improved? What would you do? Draft a QB, and then what else? Use the next 3 drafts to build the roster?
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In comment 13861901 TheVette said:
Who are the Giants going to draft that will prevent this team from going 4-12 next year
You expect a trade down and then grab a bunch of starters from 1 draft class? Wishful thinking
As opposed to? Drafting Rosen or Darnold? That's not preventing this team from going 4-12 either. How do you expect for this team to improve such a barren roster, if they do not do it via the draft? If they trade down - they can use this draft to actually build depth and improve the talent on the roster. For all those who are against trading down - I never hear the alternative as to how the rest of the roster will be improved? What would you do? Draft a QB, and then what else? Use the next 3 drafts to build the roster?
Improve this roster to what? Playoff quality? A trade down and a bunch of rookie starters isn't going to acomplish that IMO..
Yeah take Rosen/ Darnold and if they're the studs we hope year 2-3 we could be back fairly quickly with a roster on the rise and a yound stud @ Qb
This team aint going from 3 wins to SB contender come on that's just fallacy
Screw the quick fix because it rarely works and let's do this the right way and IMO it starts with a young top notch Qb
I am disappointed in Norwell going to the Jags(Happy for Coach Coughlin) but there is plenty of OL Free Agents. Yes they aren't Norwell but again since this team is a mess you got to find a way to plug these holes until you draft and develop a couple of OLman
Solder-Henderson-Fleming-Sitton-Kline-Fusco would be good options
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In comment 13861848 M.S. said:
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...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.
Why?
Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.
And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.
But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.
You act like a rookie QB won’t need a competent OL, only Eli does.
If the Giants go QB with a trash OL the “can’t miss franchise QB” will be the next David Carr.
Oh, no... Eli gets to play behind the "trash OL" while the rookie wears a visor and carries the clip board.
It's only right.
Let the old dog take the whacks... not the spanking new spring pup.
Don’t understand why you’re using quotes around trash OL. It’s a fact.
So ‘19 is the year the Giants get 3-5 new competent offensive linemen?
Just keep kicking the can down the road.
Of course our O-line is trash... not one BBIer would believe otherwise.
All I'm saying is that we need a new franchise QB and, if we cannot fix the line in one off-season, my overwhelming preference is to let Eli take the beating, not our rookie QB.
Not so easy to build a good Oline is it?
...to get rid of Eli.
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FA strategy and they there was no mention of other guys at any other position, offense or defense. I’m sure he and Shurmur are absolutely crushed this AM. Where/how do they go to fix this OL? It seems they’re kindda fucked.
Guess Mr Kick Ass, isn’t so good at selling to the players. But good at tough guy talk to excite fans.