Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
3/13/18, 6:31 AM
Former Panthers’ G Andrew Norwell intends to sign with the Jaguars on a 5-year deal for $66.5 million, including $30M fully guaranteed, source tells ESPN. He is going to become NFL’s highest paid guard - $13.3 million average.
Hopefully, find some in draft and hope they work out. This is also why, imo, having to go with eli at qb and the somewhat lack of protection up front isn't ideal, but understand why thoughi
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I think the chances of Nelson just went up big league
I'd make a push for solder now.
Not that I get a vote, but if I’m Gettleman I go hard after Solder and I trade back with Buffalo, draft McGlichney at 12, Billy price at #22, and use the extra picks I just got in the 2nd/3rd round to either move back into the late first and take the best remaining QB or RB.
The must get a QB crowd won’t like this, but I like Lauletta in the second and I’m not in love with any of the top Qbs at 2.
Some of you guys want an O-line so bad, you don't want any other players.
Don’t put me in that camp. I’m not OL or bust. Also, the picks you get from a trade still allow you plenty of opportunity to get other players.
With a day to go before FA, the Giants have no starting guards, a dreadful LT, and no RT on the roster. A 37 year old QB, not a ton of cap space, an all pro SS to pay, a locker room cancer CB, and an all world but troubled WR to deal with. Gettleman is going to have to pull off a minor miracle.
As they say Rome wasn't built in day, DG is facing a multi-year rebuild, no way the OL and the rest of the weak areas on the team are going to be totally fixed this offseason and draft alone.
As a side note, the professional sports leagues have a real competitive balance issue on their hands with the incongruity in state taxes, IMO.
Yeah, I’m sure that’s the reason here. Norwell really preferring to play with Blake fucking Bortles. Lol!
P.R.E.C.I.S.E.L.Y.
But a team with shitty Blake Bortles is?
This is what I was afraid of with Gettleman as GM. Part of being a good GM is convincing good players to sign with you. Several teams have money. Can you sell yourself and the team
...taking the field in 2018.
When Osemele signed his $11.7m per deal, everyone said "that's too much". Gabe Jackson signs for $11m per, "that's too much" Zeitler signed his 12m per deal, "You don't pay a guard that much".
The Panthers signed Trai Turner to a, $11.2m deal three days after firing Dave Gettleman. Now it's Norwell.
Thinking has to change with the times.
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But a team with shitty Blake Bortles is?
This is what I was afraid of with Gettleman as GM. Part of being a good GM is convincing good players to sign with you. Several teams have money. Can you sell yourself and the team
A young Jags team came 4 points from making it to the Super Bowl. The Giants were 4 million miles away, and that distance multiples with every additional Eli year.
Just because he isn't plastered all over ESPN or NFL Network doesn't mean he isn't an excellent player.
Snacks wasn't either.
I don’t think he is in the plans.
Is Pugh looking better to some you now?
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Barely knew who this guy was a few months ago. He got mentioned as a player can help us, an upgrade and everyone thinks he’s the greatest. See ya. Next.
Just because he isn't plastered all over ESPN or NFL Network doesn't mean he isn't an excellent player.
Snacks wasn't either.
Good point
Does this now factor into the Giants selecting Quenton Nelson?
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I think the chances of Nelson just went up big league
I'd make a push for solder now.
Not that I get a vote, but if I’m Gettleman I go hard after Solder and I trade back with Buffalo, draft McGlichney at 12, Billy price at #22, and use the extra picks I just got in the 2nd/3rd round to either move back into the late first and take the best remaining QB or RB.
The must get a QB crowd won’t like this, but I like Lauletta in the second and I’m not in love with any of the top Qbs at 2.
Some of you guys want an O-line so bad, you don't want any other players.
Don’t put me in that camp. I’m not OL or bust. Also, the picks you get from a trade still allow you plenty of opportunity to get other players.
With a day to go before FA, the Giants have no starting guards, a dreadful LT, and no RT on the roster. A 37 year old QB, not a ton of cap space, an all pro SS to pay, a locker room cancer CB, and an all world but troubled WR to deal with. Gettleman is going to have to pull off a minor miracle.
As they say Rome wasn't built in day, DG is facing a multi-year rebuild, no way the OL and the rest of the weak areas on the team are going to be totally fixed this offseason and draft alone.
Very true, but we’ve been told the Giants expect to be competitive in 2018. Right now they don’t have a competitive OL.
The Giants problem has been the result of years of poor drafting. They are not going to be able to FA out of this mess. Which is why I continue to advocate for a trade down. Gettleman needs more resources to fix a subpar roster.
Is Pugh looking better to some you now?
For me, I’ve always been OK with Pugh at $8-9M/year. I never thought it was a possibility since he’s been chirping about getting every penny he can for what seems like years now.
If the market is lukewarm for him, maybe there’s a chance, but I can’t imagine the leaked allegations about people “inside the building” questioning his priorities will help anything.
Is Pugh looking better to some you now?
He would if he had played more games in his career.
But yes, the problem is a horrible draft record.
Is Pugh looking better to some you now?
For a guy who will play 8-10 games per season and gets pushed around? No thanks. He's part of the problem. It would stink of desperation if they go crawling back to him.
...to spend on several mediocre free agents.
What does that spell?
U.P.G.R.A.D.E.
When Osemele signed his $11.7m per deal, everyone said "that's too much". Gabe Jackson signs for $11m per, "that's too much" Zeitler signed his 12m per deal, "You don't pay a guard that much".
The Panthers signed Trai Turner to a, $11.2m deal three days after firing Dave Gettleman. Now it's Norwell.
Thinking has to change with the times.
TTH - The thinking has to change with respect to all positions and salaries. People have been complaining for years that Eli is overpaid, yet he earns less in salary than Mike Glennon. Even if you factor in his bonuses, his total yearly cash is $17M which is still considerably less than the going rate.
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Barely knew who this guy was a few months ago. He got mentioned as a player can help us, an upgrade and everyone thinks he’s the greatest. See ya. Next.
He didn't give up a sack or a pressure last season. He was more than an upgrade.
Up until 2017 he was more or less average.. but in 2017 he was named to first team all-pro hence he is the best/greatest at current time.. The price is lower than I thought it would be.. there is a scarcity for quality OL.. he is very young and improving.. Good for him.. I'd rather spend our money across more OL spots than use up most of our cap space or one position..
...to get rid of Eli.
This is my concern. Not that Norwell would be the sole answer to our Oline problems, but a big building block. Now the market is not strong in FA or in the draft; especially given the learning curve many Olinemen have coming from the world of spread offenses. We now need what 3 starters to join Flowers and Jones.
The Oline issue could have us in a place to have to pass on Eli’s successor or Barkley due to the need to trade back and get more picks to solidify the Oline.
...for a mere $10 million a year.
Oh, joy!
This team is not getting fixed in one year.
Do not over react to losing Norwell and chase 2nd, 3rd rate talent at pro bowl prices
The only way to fix this team long term is the draft. Hopefully Gettlemen fares better than Reese in that department.
When Osemele signed his $11.7m per deal, everyone said "that's too much". Gabe Jackson signs for $11m per, "that's too much" Zeitler signed his 12m per deal, "You don't pay a guard that much".
The Panthers signed Trai Turner to a, $11.2m deal three days after firing Dave Gettleman. Now it's Norwell.
Thinking has to change with the times.
I don't think many are saying Norwell is not worth that kind of money. He may be. I just don't think spending half our available cap space on one guard would have made sense for this team.
That's why I never bought into the 'done deal' reports. However much sense it made with Gettleman here and our need at O-line, tt never made sense financially.
...to get rid of Eli.
no way,DG saw the philly game in dec,thats the day he joined the eli cult club.
...for a mere $10 million a year.
Oh, joy!
Pugh was a good lineman when healthy. His attitude has been brought into question by someone in the organization however, based on a tweet?! He’ll get paid by somebody, I am just not so sure it will be the Giants.
So the plan was no plan?
People in the past have complained about throwing money
at a problem. There actually is a gadget play where
the QB throws stacks of money on to the field. While both
teams scramble for the dough, the QB walks to the endzone
and scores. As they say, it's the money shot.
When Osemele signed his $11.7m per deal, everyone said "that's too much". Gabe Jackson signs for $11m per, "that's too much" Zeitler signed his 12m per deal, "You don't pay a guard that much".
The Panthers signed Trai Turner to a, $11.2m deal three days after firing Dave Gettleman. Now it's Norwell.
Thinking has to change with the times.
I don't even think its that deep. People just automatically say things like this when they're disappointed that other teams are signing good players and there's isn't. Its just a defense mechanism. When the Giants have splurged here and there for players, no one really scoffed because it was their team.
But "he was only good in 2017". Ok.
There are some very good players in this draft. I still feel a couple of OL additions in free agency are gonna happen.
Stapleton also said the Giants, 49'ers and the Colts were the finalists last night. He doesn't know jack.
This team has failed at drafting linemen since 04 when Snee fell in their lap. It doesn't seem like the front office has changed much other than Reese and Ross being gone. It hasn't been reported that the people doing the actual scouting have been changed over.
They'll probably now spend the #2 overall pick on a guard, which is far and away more unheard of than signing one to a contract in line with the last several top free agents.