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Schefter: Norwell to sign with Jacksonville

Defenderdawg : 3/13/2018 6:33 am
Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
3/13/18, 6:31 AM
Former Panthersí G Andrew Norwell intends to sign with the Jaguars on a 5-year deal for $66.5 million, including $30M fully guaranteed, source tells ESPN. He is going to become NFLís highest paid guard - $13.3 million average.
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giants are not a good destination now  
sundayatone : 3/13/2018 7:29 am : link
due to the qb situation
This is an example why it may be difficult to replace and rebuild this  
micky : 3/13/2018 7:30 am : link
OL. There's not very much quality of them throughout the league except for a few. And when they become available, you're going to have to spend which at some point isn't wise to put the majority of your cap space to that position.

Hopefully, find some in draft and hope they work out. This is also why, imo, having to go with eli at qb and the somewhat lack of protection up front isn't ideal, but understand why thoughi
The FA OL market  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2018 7:31 am : link
Was slim to begin with. I would have preferred quality over quantity so we could at least have a foundation to build out from
RE: RE: RE: RE: Really disappointed  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2018 7:32 am : link
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I think the chances of Nelson just went up big league

I'd make a push for solder now.



Not that I get a vote, but if Iím Gettleman I go hard after Solder and I trade back with Buffalo, draft McGlichney at 12, Billy price at #22, and use the extra picks I just got in the 2nd/3rd round to either move back into the late first and take the best remaining QB or RB.

The must get a QB crowd wonít like this, but I like Lauletta in the second and Iím not in love with any of the top Qbs at 2.



Some of you guys want an O-line so bad, you don't want any other players.



Donít put me in that camp. Iím not OL or bust. Also, the picks you get from a trade still allow you plenty of opportunity to get other players.

With a day to go before FA, the Giants have no starting guards, a dreadful LT, and no RT on the roster. A 37 year old QB, not a ton of cap space, an all pro SS to pay, a locker room cancer CB, and an all world but troubled WR to deal with. Gettleman is going to have to pull off a minor miracle.


As they say Rome wasn't built in day, DG is facing a multi-year rebuild, no way the OL and the rest of the weak areas on the team are going to be totally fixed this offseason and draft alone.
RE: Itís disappointing to lose out on him  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/13/2018 7:33 am : link
In comment 13861018 bigbluehoya said:
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But Iíd have been a bit disappointed paying that much, if Iím honest.

As a side note, the professional sports leagues have a real competitive balance issue on their hands with the incongruity in state taxes, IMO.
Not just sports teams...
Pugh  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/13/2018 7:33 am : link
Time to pony up for Pugh?
RE: giants are not a good destination now  
Giantology : 3/13/2018 7:34 am : link
In comment 13861057 sundayatone said:
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due to the qb situation


Yeah, Iím sure thatís the reason here. Norwell really preferring to play with Blake fucking Bortles. Lol!
RE: giants are not a good destination now  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 7:34 am : link
In comment 13861057 sundayatone said:
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due to the qb situation

P.R.E.C.I.S.E.L.Y.
RE: giants are not a good destination now  
Rflairr : 3/13/2018 7:35 am : link
In comment 13861057 sundayatone said:
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due to the qb situation


But a team with shitty Blake Bortles is?

This is what I was afraid of with Gettleman as GM. Part of being a good GM is convincing good players to sign with you. Several teams have money. Can you sell yourself and the team
Maybe this will give Eli pause about...  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 7:35 am : link

...taking the field in 2018.

Would have been nice to have  
Biteymax22 : 3/13/2018 7:36 am : link
But this draft is deep in interior OLine and you can find a starter on day 2 or 3. Tackles are another story, take the money younwere prepared to spend on Norwell and get a tackle.
RE: Big deal  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/13/2018 7:37 am : link
In comment 13861050 Fish said:
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Barely knew who this guy was a few months ago. He got mentioned as a player can help us, an upgrade and everyone thinks heís the greatest. See ya. Next.
He didn't give up a sack or a pressure last season. He was more than an upgrade.
There's a running theme here.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 7:37 am : link
People don't seem aware of market rates for the best available free agent linemen.

When Osemele signed his $11.7m per deal, everyone said "that's too much". Gabe Jackson signs for $11m per, "that's too much" Zeitler signed his 12m per deal, "You don't pay a guard that much".

The Panthers signed Trai Turner to a, $11.2m deal three days after firing Dave Gettleman. Now it's Norwell.

Thinking has to change with the times.
RE: RE: giants are not a good destination now  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 7:37 am : link
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due to the qb situation



But a team with shitty Blake Bortles is?

This is what I was afraid of with Gettleman as GM. Part of being a good GM is convincing good players to sign with you. Several teams have money. Can you sell yourself and the team

A young Jags team came 4 points from making it to the Super Bowl. The Giants were 4 million miles away, and that distance multiples with every additional Eli year.
And after him and Solder, who I donít want here,  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 7:37 am : link
The OL talent drops off a cliff. Expect another horseshit OL in 2018.
RE: Big deal  
Toth029 : 3/13/2018 7:37 am : link
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Barely knew who this guy was a few months ago. He got mentioned as a player can help us, an upgrade and everyone thinks heís the greatest. See ya. Next.

Just because he isn't plastered all over ESPN or NFL Network doesn't mean he isn't an excellent player.

Snacks wasn't either.
RE: Pugh  
Emil : 3/13/2018 7:38 am : link
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Time to pony up for Pugh?


I donít think he is in the plans.
Not going to quick fix the Oline chuckleheads  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2018 7:40 am : link
unless we start drafting better.

Is Pugh looking better to some you now?
RE: RE: Big deal  
Fish : 3/13/2018 7:40 am : link
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Barely knew who this guy was a few months ago. He got mentioned as a player can help us, an upgrade and everyone thinks heís the greatest. See ya. Next.


Just because he isn't plastered all over ESPN or NFL Network doesn't mean he isn't an excellent player.

Snacks wasn't either.


Good point
It's going to be funny to see the reaction  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 7:40 am : link
when people see what their favorite punching bag Pugh signs for.
Go Figure...  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 7:41 am : link
...it's axiomatic that you don't draft a Guard at #1 or #2 but in the meantime the best NFL Guards are being lavished with dollars.

Does this now factor into the Giants selecting Quenton Nelson?
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Emil : 3/13/2018 7:43 am : link
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I think the chances of Nelson just went up big league

I'd make a push for solder now.



Not that I get a vote, but if Iím Gettleman I go hard after Solder and I trade back with Buffalo, draft McGlichney at 12, Billy price at #22, and use the extra picks I just got in the 2nd/3rd round to either move back into the late first and take the best remaining QB or RB.

The must get a QB crowd wonít like this, but I like Lauletta in the second and Iím not in love with any of the top Qbs at 2.



Some of you guys want an O-line so bad, you don't want any other players.



Donít put me in that camp. Iím not OL or bust. Also, the picks you get from a trade still allow you plenty of opportunity to get other players.

With a day to go before FA, the Giants have no starting guards, a dreadful LT, and no RT on the roster. A 37 year old QB, not a ton of cap space, an all pro SS to pay, a locker room cancer CB, and an all world but troubled WR to deal with. Gettleman is going to have to pull off a minor miracle.



As they say Rome wasn't built in day, DG is facing a multi-year rebuild, no way the OL and the rest of the weak areas on the team are going to be totally fixed this offseason and draft alone.


Very true, but weíve been told the Giants expect to be competitive in 2018. Right now they donít have a competitive OL.

The Giants problem has been the result of years of poor drafting. They are not going to be able to FA out of this mess. Which is why I continue to advocate for a trade down. Gettleman needs more resources to fix a subpar roster.
RE: Not going to quick fix the Oline chuckleheads  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2018 7:44 am : link
In comment 13861079 Jimmy Googs said:
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unless we start drafting better.

Is Pugh looking better to some you now?


For me, Iíve always been OK with Pugh at $8-9M/year. I never thought it was a possibility since heís been chirping about getting every penny he can for what seems like years now.

If the market is lukewarm for him, maybe thereís a chance, but I canít imagine the leaked allegations about people ďinside the buildingĒ questioning his priorities will help anything.
RE: Not going to quick fix the Oline chuckleheads  
Emil : 3/13/2018 7:44 am : link
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unless we start drafting better.

Is Pugh looking better to some you now?


He would if he had played more games in his career.

But yes, the problem is a horrible draft record.
RE: Not going to quick fix the Oline chuckleheads  
RottenApple : 3/13/2018 7:45 am : link
In comment 13861079 Jimmy Googs said:
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unless we start drafting better.

Is Pugh looking better to some you now?


For a guy who will play 8-10 games per season and gets pushed around? No thanks. He's part of the problem. It would stink of desperation if they go crawling back to him.
Now we have a decent amount of money...  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 7:45 am : link

...to spend on several mediocre free agents.

What does that spell?

U.P.G.R.A.D.E.
RE: There's a running theme here.  
Diver_Down : 3/13/2018 7:45 am : link
In comment 13861071 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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People don't seem aware of market rates for the best available free agent linemen.

When Osemele signed his $11.7m per deal, everyone said "that's too much". Gabe Jackson signs for $11m per, "that's too much" Zeitler signed his 12m per deal, "You don't pay a guard that much".

The Panthers signed Trai Turner to a, $11.2m deal three days after firing Dave Gettleman. Now it's Norwell.

Thinking has to change with the times.


TTH - The thinking has to change with respect to all positions and salaries. People have been complaining for years that Eli is overpaid, yet he earns less in salary than Mike Glennon. Even if you factor in his bonuses, his total yearly cash is $17M which is still considerably less than the going rate.
RE: RE: Big deal  
chuckydee9 : 3/13/2018 7:46 am : link
In comment 13861070 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Barely knew who this guy was a few months ago. He got mentioned as a player can help us, an upgrade and everyone thinks heís the greatest. See ya. Next.

He didn't give up a sack or a pressure last season. He was more than an upgrade.


Up until 2017 he was more or less average.. but in 2017 he was named to first team all-pro hence he is the best/greatest at current time.. The price is lower than I thought it would be.. there is a scarcity for quality OL.. he is very young and improving.. Good for him.. I'd rather spend our money across more OL spots than use up most of our cap space or one position..
Maybe this is Gettleman's secret ploy...  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 7:46 am : link

...to get rid of Eli.
RE: And after him and Solder, who I donít want here,  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/13/2018 7:47 am : link
In comment 13861073 The_Boss said:
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The OL talent drops off a cliff. Expect another horseshit OL in 2018.


This is my concern. Not that Norwell would be the sole answer to our Oline problems, but a big building block. Now the market is not strong in FA or in the draft; especially given the learning curve many Olinemen have coming from the world of spread offenses. We now need what 3 starters to join Flowers and Jones.

The Oline issue could have us in a place to have to pass on Eliís successor or Barkley due to the need to trade back and get more picks to solidify the Oline.
I think we can get Pugh back...  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 7:47 am : link

...for a mere $10 million a year.

Oh, joy!
Guys like Sitton and Pugh  
Simms11 : 3/13/2018 7:48 am : link
are going to get more now then they probably should get, but letís face it, all salaries are climbing in the NFL. DG has to be very aggressive in his continued look for Oline now. Reese left the freaking Oline in such a mess. I can almost assure you the 2 of our 5 picks in the draft will be on the Oline now too.

This team is not getting fixed in one year.
I hope DG does not panic and ovwr pay for lesser talent  
George from PA : 3/13/2018 7:48 am : link
Stay the course.


Do not over react to losing Norwell and chase 2nd, 3rd rate talent at pro bowl prices
Jags went with Norwell over Pugh  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2018 7:48 am : link
..
.......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 3/13/2018 7:48 am : link
Can't blame the Gmen for not beating that contract.

The only way to fix this team long term is the draft. Hopefully Gettlemen fares better than Reese in that department.
Stapleton wrote that Norwell was consuming the NYG  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 7:49 am : link
FA strategy and they there was no mention of other guys at any other position, offense or defense. Iím sure he and Shurmur are absolutely crushed this AM. Where/how do they go to fix this OL? It seems theyíre kindda fucked.
RE: There's a running theme here.  
madeinstars : 3/13/2018 7:49 am : link
In comment 13861071 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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People don't seem aware of market rates for the best available free agent linemen.

When Osemele signed his $11.7m per deal, everyone said "that's too much". Gabe Jackson signs for $11m per, "that's too much" Zeitler signed his 12m per deal, "You don't pay a guard that much".

The Panthers signed Trai Turner to a, $11.2m deal three days after firing Dave Gettleman. Now it's Norwell.

Thinking has to change with the times.


I don't think many are saying Norwell is not worth that kind of money. He may be. I just don't think spending half our available cap space on one guard would have made sense for this team.

That's why I never bought into the 'done deal' reports. However much sense it made with Gettleman here and our need at O-line, tt never made sense financially.
RE: Maybe this is Gettleman's secret ploy...  
sundayatone : 3/13/2018 7:50 am : link
In comment 13861097 M.S. said:
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...to get rid of Eli.


no way,DG saw the philly game in dec,thats the day he joined the eli cult club.
RE: I think we can get Pugh back...  
Simms11 : 3/13/2018 7:51 am : link
In comment 13861099 M.S. said:
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...for a mere $10 million a year.

Oh, joy!


Pugh was a good lineman when healthy. His attitude has been brought into question by someone in the organization however, based on a tweet?! Heíll get paid by somebody, I am just not so sure it will be the Giants.
RE: Stapleton wrote that Norwell was consuming the NYG  
RottenApple : 3/13/2018 7:51 am : link
In comment 13861105 The_Boss said:
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FA strategy and they there was no mention of other guys at any other position, offense or defense. Iím sure he and Shurmur are absolutely crushed this AM. Where/how do they go to fix this OL? It seems theyíre kindda fucked.


So the plan was no plan?
RE: Best thing that has happened  
Giants1956 : 3/13/2018 7:51 am : link
In comment 13861039 section125 said:
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in FA so far. That is waaaayyyyyyy to much money for a guard. Yes he is good, very good, but he alone will not solve the oline problem.


People in the past have complained about throwing money
at a problem. There actually is a gadget play where
the QB throws stacks of money on to the field. While both
teams scramble for the dough, the QB walks to the endzone
and scores. As they say, it's the money shot.
RE: There's a running theme here.  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2018 7:51 am : link
In comment 13861071 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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People don't seem aware of market rates for the best available free agent linemen.

When Osemele signed his $11.7m per deal, everyone said "that's too much". Gabe Jackson signs for $11m per, "that's too much" Zeitler signed his 12m per deal, "You don't pay a guard that much".

The Panthers signed Trai Turner to a, $11.2m deal three days after firing Dave Gettleman. Now it's Norwell.

Thinking has to change with the times.


I don't even think its that deep. People just automatically say things like this when they're disappointed that other teams are signing good players and there's isn't. Its just a defense mechanism. When the Giants have splurged here and there for players, no one really scoffed because it was their team.

In  
Toth029 : 3/13/2018 7:52 am : link
60 starts, he's been penalized six times and only given up six sacks.

But "he was only good in 2017". Ok.
The best way to rebuild this line  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2018 7:52 am : link
Is through the draft but like some have said, you may have to pass on the QB this year. Trading down even 2 spots should next Nelson, but trading with Buffalo could next McGlinchy and Hernandez or Price.

There are some very good players in this draft. I still feel a couple of OL additions in free agency are gonna happen.
Well... DG found Norwell as a UDFA  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/13/2018 7:53 am : link
We have to hope he finds more like him in the draft or as UDFAs. I wouldn't expect a 1 yr turnaround in the OL, just as it took Norwell a few yrs to develop, but I also don't think the Giants are 1 year away from being a contender either. The mess our personell is in from the last few years of poor drafting in later rounds and misses in the 1st and 2nd (Flowers/Pugh/Richberg/etc) leave us more than 1 OG away from a stable and good OL.
There are several guards in the draft.  
Ira : 3/13/2018 7:56 am : link
I'd like to see the Giants draft Isaiah Wynn.
RE: Stapleton wrote that Norwell was consuming the NYG  
madeinstars : 3/13/2018 7:56 am : link
In comment 13861105 The_Boss said:
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FA strategy and they there was no mention of other guys at any other position, offense or defense. Iím sure he and Shurmur are absolutely crushed this AM. Where/how do they go to fix this OL? It seems theyíre kindda fucked.


Stapleton also said the Giants, 49'ers and the Colts were the finalists last night. He doesn't know jack.
Even if you believe the best way to build the OL is through the draft,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 7:57 am : link
which is fine to think...

This team has failed at drafting linemen since 04 when Snee fell in their lap. It doesn't seem like the front office has changed much other than Reese and Ross being gone. It hasn't been reported that the people doing the actual scouting have been changed over.

They'll probably now spend the #2 overall pick on a guard, which is far and away more unheard of than signing one to a contract in line with the last several top free agents.
Well that fucking sucks  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2018 7:58 am : link
Good on ol Tom, I guess.
We have a bigger need at OT  
JonC : 3/13/2018 8:01 am : link
where the money should be allocated anyway.
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