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Schefter: Norwell to sign with Jacksonville

Defenderdawg : 3/13/2018 6:33 am
Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
3/13/18, 6:31 AM
Former Panthersí G Andrew Norwell intends to sign with the Jaguars on a 5-year deal for $66.5 million, including $30M fully guaranteed, source tells ESPN. He is going to become NFLís highest paid guard - $13.3 million average.
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Looks like DG is gonna have to do Jerry Reeseís thing  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 8:02 am : link
Dumpster Diving for OL help. Somethings never change.
Fixing the Oline can happen relatively soon but it requires  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2018 8:02 am : link
some clustering of draft picks this year and next at the position. Let stiff competition between some of the holdovers from last year and the rookies drive a unit that may not have any studs but is serviceable at the beginning and develops into very capable. It would be nice to add a free agent this year but stay away from the top player at their position please.

I would definitely bring in anything I could to go head to head with Flowers though as I think that is the piece that is the biggest hangup for Eli. And should be the easiest to beat given a fair chance in camp...

RE: We have a bigger need at OT  
RottenApple : 3/13/2018 8:03 am : link
In comment 13861122 JonC said:
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where the money should be allocated anyway.


The need is the entire offensive line.
RE: We have a bigger need at OT  
Rflairr : 3/13/2018 8:03 am : link
In comment 13861122 JonC said:
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where the money should be allocated anyway.


But what options are out there?
RE: We have a bigger need at OT  
Jon in NYC : 3/13/2018 8:03 am : link
In comment 13861122 JonC said:
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where the money should be allocated anyway.


The issue is that there is no one at that level to pay to play OT.
RE: Stapleton wrote that Norwell was consuming the NYG  
UberAlias : 3/13/2018 8:05 am : link
In comment 13861105 The_Boss said:
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FA strategy and they there was no mention of other guys at any other position, offense or defense. Iím sure he and Shurmur are absolutely crushed this AM. Where/how do they go to fix this OL? It seems theyíre kindda fucked.
I hope this is not true. Super irresponsible if it was.
RE: RE: We have a bigger need at OT  
JonC : 3/13/2018 8:05 am : link
In comment 13861126 RottenApple said:
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In comment 13861122 JonC said:


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where the money should be allocated anyway.



The need is the entire offensive line.


It's a salary cap, that means finite dollars and spend wisely.

There are few options, that doesn't mean to spend crazed.
Hey look..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2018 8:05 am : link
a thread that has nothing to do with Eli and look who shows up:

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giants are not a good destination now
sundayatone : 7:29 am : link : reply
due to the qb situation


Absolutely fucking amazing that this troll appears on any thread and makes it about Eli. And M.S. agreed with him!!

Googs  
JonC : 3/13/2018 8:06 am : link
with a ding ding.
RE: Stapleton wrote that Norwell was consuming the NYG  
Rflairr : 3/13/2018 8:06 am : link
In comment 13861105 The_Boss said:
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FA strategy and they there was no mention of other guys at any other position, offense or defense. Iím sure he and Shurmur are absolutely crushed this AM. Where/how do they go to fix this OL? It seems theyíre kindda fucked.


Guess Mr Kick Ass, isnít so good at selling to the players. But good at tough guy talk to excite fans.
RE: RE: We have a bigger need at OT  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 8:06 am : link
In comment 13861128 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13861122 JonC said:


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where the money should be allocated anyway.



The issue is that there is no one at that level to pay to play OT.


Exactly. What is backing the truck up to a 30 year old (whose play is slipping) Solder going to accomplish when the team is 2-3 years away from relevance?
RE: RE: Pugh  
RetroJint : 3/13/2018 8:07 am : link
In comment 13861076 Emil said:
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In comment 13861063 Mdgiantsfan said:


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Time to pony up for Pugh?



I donít think he is in the plans.

In 26 starts at G, Pugh only allowed Eli, a statue, to be touched 5 times. By comparison blocking for Bortles will seem like a perk for Norwell .
Same people bitching..  
Sean : 3/13/2018 8:09 am : link
are the same people who would be saying we overpaid for a 3-13 team.
The reality is  
UberAlias : 3/13/2018 8:11 am : link
The cap situation volume of draft picks and roster deficiencies this was ALWAYS going to be a rebuild over a few years. The notion of 'win now' was not at all realistic and astonishing how many fans we've seen flag-waiving the idea.
RE: RE: Stapleton wrote that Norwell was consuming the NYG  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2018 8:12 am : link
In comment 13861134 Rflairr said:
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In comment 13861105 The_Boss said:


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FA strategy and they there was no mention of other guys at any other position, offense or defense. Iím sure he and Shurmur are absolutely crushed this AM. Where/how do they go to fix this OL? It seems theyíre kindda fucked.



Guess Mr Kick Ass, isnít so good at selling to the players. But good at tough guy talk to excite fans.


ROSS!!!
Why donít we  
Josiah31 : 3/13/2018 8:12 am : link
Just sign Mckinnion, so we can all get off the Barkley train, and either trade our pick down a few spots and select Nelson, or just draft him at 2. Kill two birds with one stone.
At least we have Herzlich locked up  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 3/13/2018 8:12 am : link
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RE: Hey look..  
sundayatone : 3/13/2018 8:13 am : link
In comment 13861132 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a thread that has nothing to do with Eli and look who shows up:



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giants are not a good destination now
sundayatone : 7:29 am : link : reply
due to the qb situation



Absolutely fucking amazing that this troll appears on any thread and makes it about Eli. And M.S. agreed with him!!


if wanting to move on from eli ruins your life,please seek help.
RE: Same people bitching..  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 8:13 am : link
In comment 13861139 Sean said:
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are the same people who would be saying we overpaid for a 3-13 team.


I donít think they would. At some point, you need to pony up for superior quality on that unit. Itís been a bottom tiered group for 5.5 years now. Norwell wouldnít have fixed it, but heíd have absolutely been a good start, along with prudent drafting. Top guys get pad. Thatís the new normal. Folks had better start accepting that.
RE: Hey look..  
Pep22 : 3/13/2018 8:14 am : link
In comment 13861132 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a thread that has nothing to do with Eli and look who shows up:



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giants are not a good destination now
sundayatone : 7:29 am : link : reply
due to the qb situation



Absolutely fucking amazing that this troll appears on any thread and makes it about Eli. And M.S. agreed with him!!


Can this board stop being so hyper sensitive about Eli? The guy has nothing left. How many lawn darts, how many high and outside passes, how many times do we have to see him hurl himself on the ground and the slightest indication of pressure or fumble needlessly? Its okay to call a spade a spade. He's a bottom tier QB these days. It happens. Guys get old.
RE: RE: Stapleton wrote that Norwell was consuming the NYG  
RobCarpenter : 3/13/2018 8:15 am : link
In comment 13861116 madeinstars said:
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FA strategy and they there was no mention of other guys at any other position, offense or defense. Iím sure he and Shurmur are absolutely crushed this AM. Where/how do they go to fix this OL? It seems theyíre kindda fucked.



Stapleton also said the Giants, 49'ers and the Colts were the finalists last night. He doesn't know jack.


+1,000. Reporters have no idea what other players DG is targeting.

It sucks to lose out on Norwell but it doesnít mean the Giants are doomed.
RE: The reality is  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2018 8:15 am : link
In comment 13861142 UberAlias said:
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The cap situation volume of draft picks and roster deficiencies this was ALWAYS going to be a rebuild over a few years. The notion of 'win now' was not at all realistic and astonishing how many fans we've seen flag-waiving the idea.


Not saying I agree that we should be in "win now" mode, but it is a realistic notion and it happens all the time. Just because the highest paid guard in the league has slipped through Gettlemans fingers, choosing to play for a playoff team in sunny Jacksonville FL over a shitshow cold-weather team in dirty New Jersey doesn't change that.
RE: Pugh  
13ODB : 3/13/2018 8:17 am : link
In comment 13861063 Mdgiantsfan said:
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Time to pony up for Pugh?


No thanks he can take his 10 game service somewhere else
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2018 8:17 am : link
what the fuck does this mean??

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Can this board stop being so hyper sensitive about Eli? The guy has nothing left. How many lawn darts, how many high and outside passes, how many times do we have to see him hurl himself on the ground and the slightest indication of pressure or fumble needlessly? Its okay to call a spade a spade. He's a bottom tier QB these days. It happens. Guys get old.


Hyper sensitive?? A guy who literally posts about nothing but eli being pure shit chimes in a thread about Norwell with his bullshit.

An OL isn't going to sign here because Eli is the QB? Are you fucking kidding?
Not in favor of it but the quickest and most efficient way  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2018 8:18 am : link
to fix the Oline is to punt on the QB decision this year and sell that #2 pick for a cluster of choices between this year and next.

Then in 2 years u find your next Barkley and Darnold...
There are still some OL out there to be had  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/13/2018 8:18 am : link
Ryan Jensen is one that comes to mind. Read a few articles on him, plays with a nasty edge and really came on this year and anchored the Ravens OL. One article even mentioned him being a fan favorite down there.

There are also a few veteran OL available that would be an upgrade from what we have, and not cost nearly as much as Norwell. Guys like Josh Sitton, Josh Kline, Senio Kelemete, etc.
good point by Emil re "can't draft a G #2, but okay to throw  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 8:19 am : link
baziliions at a G in FA.

No thanks on Pugh. As Rotten Apple said, he's part of the problem.
RE: The reality is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 8:20 am : link
In comment 13861142 UberAlias said:
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The cap situation volume of draft picks and roster deficiencies this was ALWAYS going to be a rebuild over a few years. The notion of 'win now' was not at all realistic and astonishing how many fans we've seen flag-waiving the idea.


They did just trade two picks and take on salary for an expensive linebacker many feel is overpaid. It's sort of a conflict of philosophies.
RE: RE: The reality is  
UberAlias : 3/13/2018 8:20 am : link
In comment 13861152 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13861142 UberAlias said:


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The cap situation volume of draft picks and roster deficiencies this was ALWAYS going to be a rebuild over a few years. The notion of 'win now' was not at all realistic and astonishing how many fans we've seen flag-waiving the idea.



Not saying I agree that we should be in "win now" mode, but it is a realistic notion and it happens all the time. Just because the highest paid guard in the league has slipped through Gettlemans fingers, choosing to play for a playoff team in sunny Jacksonville FL over a shitshow cold-weather team in dirty New Jersey doesn't change that.
Yes, it can happen. But when you look at the number of deficiencies this team has and lack of resources to turn around a quick fix, how would anyone rationally EXPECT it? Maybe they will hit on a lot of late picks and the turnaround will happen quicker, but having that as the expectation is not at all realistic. Just because something can happen doesn't mean it will. Its like building your plan around hope on a long shot -just not very sensible.
We need to sign Pugh  
VinegarPeppers : 3/13/2018 8:26 am : link
...for our IR program.

Heíll be there by week 8 or in and out all season.

Giants are getting worse so far in FA.
Sy'56  
Andy in Boston : 3/13/2018 8:27 am : link
mentioned Quinton Spain G, from Tennesssee.

He's going to be tendered, but he might be a target now.
RE: LOL...  
Pep22 : 3/13/2018 8:27 am : link
In comment 13861155 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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what the fuck does this mean??



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Can this board stop being so hyper sensitive about Eli? The guy has nothing left. How many lawn darts, how many high and outside passes, how many times do we have to see him hurl himself on the ground and the slightest indication of pressure or fumble needlessly? Its okay to call a spade a spade. He's a bottom tier QB these days. It happens. Guys get old.



Hyper sensitive?? A guy who literally posts about nothing but eli being pure shit chimes in a thread about Norwell with his bullshit.

An OL isn't going to sign here because Eli is the QB? Are you fucking kidding?


I do not think Norwell signing elsewhere is Eli's fault (more to do with $, tax implications and the opportunity to win). But I do think this board is not honest with themselves in terms of what they see with our QB.
Uber  
JonC : 3/13/2018 8:28 am : link
On target. Given the decision to keep Eli and the fact there's not a ton of turnover figuring to take place in terms of UFA due to lack of available talent, there's a potential conflict of goals and reality.

Look at how it polarizes fans who want to draft a QB and get moving forward, and how many want to trade down to pick Nelson and have multiple picks to spend on the OL in the second round of the draft.

In the end, the fact we're only one of 32 teams and there's not a ton of resources available for change means it could be short UFA season without a ton of help arriving until the draft.
Good luck with that  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2018 8:28 am : link
Pep...
RE: RE: RE: The reality is  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2018 8:29 am : link
In comment 13861161 UberAlias said:
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In comment 13861152 Brown Recluse said:


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In comment 13861142 UberAlias said:


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The cap situation volume of draft picks and roster deficiencies this was ALWAYS going to be a rebuild over a few years. The notion of 'win now' was not at all realistic and astonishing how many fans we've seen flag-waiving the idea.



Not saying I agree that we should be in "win now" mode, but it is a realistic notion and it happens all the time. Just because the highest paid guard in the league has slipped through Gettlemans fingers, choosing to play for a playoff team in sunny Jacksonville FL over a shitshow cold-weather team in dirty New Jersey doesn't change that.

Yes, it can happen. But when you look at the number of deficiencies this team has and lack of resources to turn around a quick fix, how would anyone rationally EXPECT it? Maybe they will hit on a lot of late picks and the turnaround will happen quicker, but having that as the expectation is not at all realistic. Just because something can happen doesn't mean it will. Its like building your plan around hope on a long shot -just not very sensible.


A quick fix doesn't mean you fill every single hole and weakness in one season. It means you fill enough holes to make your team competitive and playoff-ready. The Giants can certainly do that *if* they choose to go that route. And you do that with due diligence. The pieces are always out there. It just takes a front office that is capable of putting them together. Reese always talked about how they "look at everyone" but I think he was full of shit. If they did look at everyone, they didn't look very hard. Its probably a more realistic scenario now than it would have been had Norwell signed here, financially speaking at least.
RE: Uber  
madeinstars : 3/13/2018 8:30 am : link
In comment 13861171 JonC said:
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On target. Given the decision to keep Eli and the fact there's not a ton of turnover figuring to take place in terms of UFA due to lack of available talent, there's a potential conflict of goals and reality.

Look at how it polarizes fans who want to draft a QB and get moving forward, and how many want to trade down to pick Nelson and have multiple picks to spend on the OL in the second round of the draft.

In the end, the fact we're only one of 32 teams and there's not a ton of resources available for change means it could be short UFA season without a ton of help arriving until the draft.


Great post. Some people fail to realize the Giants are just one of 32 teams trying to get better in UFA. A team ith bottom half cap space at that.
Spend all the resources on defense now  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 8:32 am : link
Try to win games 10-7 every week!
We dug ourselves into this POS  
rebel yell : 3/13/2018 8:32 am : link
OL hole and now we'll need to dig out. It's not going to be a one year rebuild. Blowing our wad on one guy isn't the answer.
RE: Not in favor of it but the quickest and most efficient way  
yankeeslover : 3/13/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 13861156 Jimmy Googs said:
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to fix the Oline is to punt on the QB decision this year and sell that #2 pick for a cluster of choices between this year and next.

Then in 2 years u find your next Barkley and Darnold...


I see your point, but problem with this is that teams spend decades looking for the franchise qb. They don't fall in laps like they did this year for us. Not that any of the qbs this year is a franchise one but the chance is there.
People need to stop saying the Guard position isn't that important  
PatersonPlank : 3/13/2018 8:34 am : link
There are 5 spots on the OL, and G is 2 of them. Its important. This contract and the high drafting of Nelson shows that. Its important for the running game, its important to keep the interior line out of the QB's face (in fact it may be more important that T for this), and look how many times the DL stunted and our G's missed picking up the DE?
Josh Kline and Joe Berger  
jeff57 : 3/13/2018 8:34 am : link
are two guards they could add as stopgaps, but upgrades.
stopgaps are more likely  
JonC : 3/13/2018 8:36 am : link
they're almost always out there and sometimes it's the best you can do.
Look At How The Vikings Fix Their OL in 2017  
DeepBlueJint : 3/13/2018 8:38 am : link
How did the Vikings fix their offensive line so quickly?

The Vikings had two centers in 2016 season Ė Joe Berger and Nick Easton Ė and moved both of them to guards. They drafted center Pat Elflein in the third round. They used free agency to bring in bookend tackles Riley Reiff and Mike Remmers.

Of all the questions the Vikings had on offense, while it didnít get much in the way of attention, there was no bigger cause for internal concern as to how the incredibly new-look O-line would hold up.

The Vikings have had their share of injuries as well in 2017. Reiff has missed time. Mike Remmers has missed time. Easton has missed three games.

So if the Vikings could do this all in one season, why can't the Giants?
RE: Spend all the resources on defense now  
nygiants16 : 3/13/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 13861180 The_Boss said:
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Try to win games 10-7 every week!


I was going to say this..

Online is going to take awhile to rebuild anyway..

Go sign Malcolm butler, Orlando scandrick and Nigel bradham...
RE: People need to stop saying the Guard position isn't that important  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 13861187 PatersonPlank said:
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There are 5 spots on the OL, and G is 2 of them. Its important. This contract and the high drafting of Nelson shows that. Its important for the running game, its important to keep the interior line out of the QB's face (in fact it may be more important that T for this), and look how many times the DL stunted and our G's missed picking up the DE?


Of course its important, but how important is what's being debated. Its a far less valuable and premium position than others. I'd rather have solid Guard play at less than half that cost and spend big on premium players at premium positions.

I'm not upset we didn't get Norwell. Time to move on and get creative, which I trust DG will be able to do a hell of a lot better than Reese was.
FWIW  
Toth029 : 3/13/2018 8:40 am : link
Vikings spent decent money on Remmers and Reiff.
Yankee  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2018 8:42 am : link
No debate from me which is why I say keep the pick, go QB and get rid of Eli.

But you need some success stories from the UDFA market on that line de certain. Even small ones...
UConn..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2018 8:42 am : link
I believe this too:

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I'm not upset we didn't get Norwell. Time to move on and get creative, which I trust DG will be able to do a hell of a lot better than Reese was.


The difference in my mind between DG and Reese is that DG has consistently found good OL talent, and I trust that he'll be able to.
Kind of sucks that we suck but we don't suck enough  
Bill L : 3/13/2018 8:42 am : link
We miss out on the best FA available (for our needs), the next best FA's available are our own guys who we don't want. We likely won't get the best non-OL FA's available because we have to use our money on journeymen OL guys. We are going to miss out on the very best player possible in this or several drafts. Even eschewing him, because of the year we suck we will miss out on superior QB's. If we took the next best draftee, it would be an over-draft because he's a guard.

Is it just poor luck, poor timing, or the hell of mediocrity?
We're going to find out how resourceful and agile DG and staff are  
JonC : 3/13/2018 8:44 am : link
This is an area where JR et al were demonstrably not good enough.
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