Schefter: Norwell to sign with Jacksonville

lots of money...

Chris Hubbard OT
Ja’waun James OT
Senio Kelemete OT/OG
Ryan Jensen C

In comment 13861333 UberAlias said:

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Let me clarify. What I am objecting to is the "win-now" mentality we've been seeing a lot of around here. There is a contingent pushing the idea that the team is or should be pushing their chips onto the table in effort to win one more with Eli. I'm not saying that should not be a goal, because your goal should be to win a superbowl every year and anything can happen. But this notion should absolutely not be shaping the teams approach to the draft and FA, because the reality is the roster is a long ways away and they are not resource wealthy.

EXACTLY! That mentality is what got them into this mess to begin with.

In comment 13861333 UberAlias said:

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Let me clarify. What I am objecting to is the "win-now" mentality we've been seeing a lot of around here. There is a contingent pushing the idea that the team is or should be pushing their chips onto the table in effort to win one more with Eli. I'm not saying that should not be a goal, because your goal should be to win a superbowl every year and anything can happen. But this notion should absolutely not be shaping the teams approach to the draft and FA, because the reality is the roster is a long ways away and they are not resource wealthy.

Fair enough. I haven't seen anyone really push that notion with regards to the daft and FA but I'm sure I miss plenty.

is saying. And I get that they can't be 100% truthful and they are trying to protect ticket sales.

But when the first thing the new GM says is "We've got to fix the offensive line" and bangs the drum for "hogmollies", and the next thing they say is (the 37 year old fan favorite QB) "has years left", of course people are going to cry win now.

I know people think that, but we see every year how teams change fortunes on a dime. You can think the Giants are disqualified from that all you want but the team has plenty of talent, and a few good moves make this a playoff team.

In comment 13861292 Eric on Li said:

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I expect Gettleman will move on and add at least a couple vets. Plus an early round pick. They will upgrade the OL.

Great list right here. I like Fleming a lot. Him and Sitton would be solid additions.

In comment 13861020 brunswick said:

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Clearly. Clearly the Giants will adopt and implement a different offensive strategy and draft plan now that they didn't sign an offensive guard in FA.

Do you ever think?

a certain upgrade but that's too much to pay for a guard and would leave us with little cap room to address other needs, including the rest of the OL.

Let's sign the Pitt OL and hope that our GM is a good enough scout to find some other value on the line and elsewhere.

In comment 13861352 UConn4523 said:

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I know people think that, but we see every year how teams change fortunes on a dime. You can think the Giants are disqualified from that all you want but the team has plenty of talent, and a few good moves make this a playoff team.

I feel like its a matter of symantics. I'm assuming that most everyone is basically saying the same thing in different ways. It seems most are in agreement that this team can make the playoffs next year with some smart moves and also begin funneling in young talent through the draft to keep them competitive.

Or maybe I should just go drink some more coffee.

In comment 13861067 M.S. said:

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...taking the field in 2018.

Can you take pause before posting?

and why wouldn't you? What team isn't trying to add in youth to their organization?

about Hubbard other than he's 26. I'll just ask a straight forward question. Is he better than say....Jerry?

if Norwell was this big bad end all be all prime target of the Giants. Some reporter said so, then another reporter piled on and parroted the same bullshit...then another and another and another.

And now we are left at the alter and half of BBI is losing their shit.

Same shit...different FA period.

In comment 13861375 djm said:

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if Norwell was this big bad end all be all prime target of the Giants. Some reporter said so, then another reporter piled on and parroted the same bullshit...then another and another and another. And now we are left at the alter and half of BBI is losing their shit. Same shit...different FA period.

It's fairly obvious that the Giants offered Norwell a big contract. He just didn't want to come here. No one should be crying over not giving 13M to a guard, no matter how good he is.

In comment 13861368 ryanmkeane said:

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about Hubbard other than he's 26. I'll just ask a straight forward question. Is he better than say....Jerry?

Chris Snee sitting at home right now is better than Jerry.

could probably add Kline, Hubbard and another piece for the same money that Norwell got. Remember, we have to fill at least 3 pieces on the line.

Or not!

That is the day the Giants guarantee Eli 5M....

Let's face it, we saw how Eli played behind flawed OL's in 2011 and 2017.....the difference in quarterback play, was huge.....Eli is no longer that same guy in 2011....

And if you put him behind a bad OL, he will play likewise....

It's amazing how everyone talks about one quarter, one quarter of play in the first Eagles game, to back up their argument that Eli is still a top qb....they forgot what he did in the first three quarters(zero points),,,,,,three td drives in the fourth.....one sustained drive, a short field drive after a turnover, and a short pass to Shepard that miraculously went for 77 yards and a TD......that is all anyone can point to for the highlight of Eli's season....one quarter.....

There were too many plays to be made last season, that Eli did not make.....If Eli is still on this club after March 18th, that is 10M we have flushed down the tubes this year, that could have been used in FAcy.....

With a Healthy OBj back, a more seasoned EE, and if somehow SS can take that next step, we will score points with Eli, even with a bad OL.....but it also means that this offense will continue to shoot itself in the foot at critical times....Eli will not be able to overcome that...

If this team is not a contender this year with Eli, it's time to face reality, and start the process of a complete rebuild.....yes, you put a crap product on the field this year, and continue the rebuild in the draft next year....that 10M you get from Eli? If there is no one worth spending it on, you roll it over to the next season....

We have been sucking for 6 seasons, with a mirage season thrown in....DG is not a magician.....he better have a plan....Reese didn't.....he overvalued his players, especially in the draft....

I feel Eli can still put up good numbers in the right situation.....but not behind an OL that will be going through growing pains, that can't convert a third and short, that consistently screws up with a penalty, that can't run a screen play to save it's life, and that will give Eli happy feet.....many point to the rebuild of the OL in Minny.....but that is the exception, not the norm....

The only thing that is going to turn this team around is about 3 good seasons of drafting....finding guys that are building blocks for a team.....and cutting guys that do not perform, like Jerry, Marshall, Harris, JPP(not this year but next, too costly), etc., and even Eli has to be considered....

In comment 13861105 The_Boss said:

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FA strategy and they there was no mention of other guys at any other position, offense or defense. I’m sure he and Shurmur are absolutely crushed this AM. Where/how do they go to fix this OL? It seems they’re kindda fucked.

Stapleton is 100% wrong with that statement.

In comment 13861256 christian said:

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Every day it's more and more curious to me why the Giants feel like they can improve quickly enough to compete with Manning as QB.

+1. Not to mention the two best players on the team are on the final year of their rookie contracts and are looking to get paid big time. Just tear it down and go for the full rebuild.

Blowing all the cap dollars on stopgaps to fill holes.

Missing out on Norwell sucks but the Giants have to be smart with their money.

but all his eggs into the Norwell basket and it didn't happen. The fact that he went overboard with it was a little odd, he's usually not as "drum-banging" for lack of a better word

going to a winning team with upside, and a state with no income tax? No brainer...

would be a great add, Hubbard would be solid. I'm all for value signings on the OL.


We had 3 draft picks on the OL the past 3-4 years and it hasn't really worked out. Find some guys that actually stay healthy and are solid players, and then find a gem in the draft. The OL will get better.

Keeps getting brought up on this thread.

Norwell signed with Jacksonville because they’re a young, Uber-talented team coming off an AFCC appearance. Why would he want to sign with the 3-13 Giants w equal money?

Good pass

In comment 13861422 WillVAB said:

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Blowing all the cap dollars on stopgaps to fill holes. Missing out on Norwell sucks but the Giants have to be smart with their money.

Hard to classify a 26 year old player as a stopgap. More of a building block than a quick fix.

actually relieving to me knowing the giants didn’t spend such a massive cap killer on an interior lineman. As much as I liked the move, it feels good knowing they can get better lineman for cheaper and also fix linebacker, DB RB and WR within the cap space and draft now.

In comment 13861447 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13861422 WillVAB said: Quote: Blowing all the cap dollars on stopgaps to fill holes. Missing out on Norwell sucks but the Giants have to be smart with their money. Hard to classify a 26 year old player as a stopgap. More of a building block than a quick fix.

I’m talking about these other names being thrown around bc the Giants lost out on Norwell. I wanted Norwell. Would’ve been worth the money.

What I don’t want is for the Giants to panic and dole out bad deals to JAGs.

That the Giants were going to get this “sure thing” signing. No GM would be able to assume any “sure thing”. So stay tuned to see the whole picture unfold before we reach any conclusions.

The state tax differential adds more than a million dollars a year of income for teams in Florida vs. NJ. The Giants would have to have gone to a $15 million per year offer.

In comment 13861461 WillVAB said:

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In comment 13861447 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 13861422 WillVAB said: Quote: Blowing all the cap dollars on stopgaps to fill holes. Missing out on Norwell sucks but the Giants have to be smart with their money. Hard to classify a 26 year old player as a stopgap. More of a building block than a quick fix. I’m talking about these other names being thrown around bc the Giants lost out on Norwell. I wanted Norwell. Would’ve been worth the money. What I don’t want is for the Giants to panic and dole out bad deals to JAGs.

What do you consider being smart with your money, and which players are you classifying as JAGs?

In comment 13861447 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13861422 WillVAB said: Quote: Blowing all the cap dollars on stopgaps to fill holes. Missing out on Norwell sucks but the Giants have to be smart with their money. Hard to classify a 26 year old player as a stopgap. More of a building block than a quick fix.

You are correct. You sign a 2nd contract kid to a big multi-year deal and that is a core player, not stop gap.

it'll be because the FO was able to find guys like Norwell in the mid to late rounds and as UDFA's. It's not like they're one piece away. I think a lot of people are laboring under the idea that this can be a 10-12 win team next season. Sure, anything is possible, but it's highly unlikely. Buckle in gentlemen, this is not going to be a quick fix.

happen yearly in the NFL. The tough part is sustaining it.

We had a historically poor offense in 2016 and made the playoffs because the defense was dominant. Last year, the D was average and we plummeted. Carolina went 15-1 with a suffocating D. The next year, Norman was gone, Kuechly and Davis got hurt and they missed the playoffs.

Each year there is at least 50% turnover in the playoff teams. So the Bills and Titans this year could be any of a handful of teams in the AFC. The Panthers and Vikings might be two other teams from the NFC.

We have holes to fix. So do other teams. But thinking the playoffs are out of the question is not realistic. Heck, it may not even be improbable.

exactly. The Jaguars were literally the laughing stock of the league until they changed the culture, drafted a hell of a running back, and got better in the trenches.

People act around here like this team has zero talent, zero chance to win next year. We went 11-5 with basically having a below average offense and pretty brutal play calling.

We have Flowers, Jerry, Jones, Halapio and Bisnowaty/Wheeler as our OL unit as of now... wtf are we doing? We can’t get Norwell or Solder? Great job so far DG

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This sucks ass est1986 : 10:44 am : link : reply We have Flowers, Jerry, Jones, Halapio and Bisnowaty/Wheeler as our OL unit as of now... wtf are we doing? We can’t get Norwell or Solder? Great job so far DG

Free agency is how many days old and we are lamenting the lack of moves?

Are you serious with that shit?

In comment 13861522 est1986 said:

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We have Flowers, Jerry, Jones, Halapio and Bisnowaty/Wheeler as our OL unit as of now... wtf are we doing? We can’t get Norwell or Solder? Great job so far DG

Sure let's blame Gettleman. He offered the guy a fucking contract, a big one at that. What else can he do? Jesus.

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In comment 13860985 Go Terps said: Quote: . Good lord you are insufferable. So you are only willing to sign the top available talent if it comes at a lower than market value price? There was no scenario in which Norwell was going to sign a cap friendly deal, he was clearly the top available FA o-lineman and these guys have been getting paid more and more each year.

I'm not willing to overpay right now at any position when the roster is as bad as it is.

Signing Norwell makes sense if you think we're close and he could be the piece that pushes the offense up a level. But we're not close. This is a 2-3 year rebuild. That doesn't mean we're going to go 3-13 again next year...a bad roster can still have a good season with injury and schedule luck - 2016 is a good example of that.

But if we're honest with ourselves this team has been shit for years now. The biggest reason for that has been an interruption in the draft pipeline. Overpaying Norwell (who's a good player) isn't solving that.

Going to be a one season rebuild. Which is the he flawed thinking by most fans. We're not a guard away from competing or a running back. In order to sustain success over a the long haul, like 05-12, we need a total rebuild. I'm not that upset about not breaking the bank for a guard. This needs to be fixed through a few drafts, smart free agency, and managing the cap. It all starts drafting one of the two 21 year old qbs this year and building long term. This is no different than 2004. Hopefully the front office is just blowing smoke when they say it's a quick fix, and realize it's a multi year turnaround.

In comment 13861051 Diver_Down said:

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and it is evident that TC has the Bank locked down. The tweet last night had no indication that Norwell was in consideration with Jax. 12 hours later - he has agreed in principle to be the highest paid guard on the First Coast. No leaks on TC's ship.

The New York media is a lot different animal than the Jacksonville media
One would think .....

+1

In comment 13861561 JonC said:

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+1

Any rumblings?

zero.

In comment 13861085 Emil said:

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In comment 13861061 GFAN52 said: Quote: In comment 13861041 Emil said: Quote: In comment 13861030 madeinstars said: Quote: In comment 13861021 Emil said: Quote: In comment 13860997 BleedBlue said: Quote: I think the chances of Nelson just went up big league I'd make a push for solder now. Not that I get a vote, but if I’m Gettleman I go hard after Solder and I trade back with Buffalo, draft McGlichney at 12, Billy price at #22, and use the extra picks I just got in the 2nd/3rd round to either move back into the late first and take the best remaining QB or RB. The must get a QB crowd won’t like this, but I like Lauletta in the second and I’m not in love with any of the top Qbs at 2. Some of you guys want an O-line so bad, you don't want any other players. Don’t put me in that camp. I’m not OL or bust. Also, the picks you get from a trade still allow you plenty of opportunity to get other players. With a day to go before FA, the Giants have no starting guards, a dreadful LT, and no RT on the roster. A 37 year old QB, not a ton of cap space, an all pro SS to pay, a locker room cancer CB, and an all world but troubled WR to deal with. Gettleman is going to have to pull off a minor miracle. As they say Rome wasn't built in day, DG is facing a multi-year rebuild, no way the OL and the rest of the weak areas on the team are going to be totally fixed this offseason and draft alone. Very true, but we’ve been told the Giants expect to be competitive in 2018. Right now they don’t have a competitive OL. The Giants problem has been the result of years of poor drafting. They are not going to be able to FA out of this mess. Which is why I continue to advocate for a trade down. Gettleman needs more resources to fix a subpar roster.

If the Giants are going nowhere than what’s the sense of signing OBJ to 100 million dollar contract might as well get something for him and might as well cut Eli.......

In comment 13861550 ryanmkeane said:

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In comment 13861522 est1986 said: Quote: We have Flowers, Jerry, Jones, Halapio and Bisnowaty/Wheeler as our OL unit as of now... wtf are we doing? We can’t get Norwell or Solder? Great job so far DG Sure let's blame Gettleman. He offered the guy a fucking contract, a big one at that. What else can he do? Jesus.

He should have held a fucking gun to his head and told him either his brains or his signature would be on that contract.

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zero.

That aint good.

I would think they make a run at Solder. I really expected McKinnon to be here as well.

Quiet means no signings we'll regret in two years.

Strip it down and build back up again.

cold sweat just came over me at the thought of John Jerry being run out there to start again next year paired next to his old buddy and now free agent Marshall Newhouse. Yikes i really am praying we find some good additiona, someone please give me some hope.

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In comment 13861588 JonC said: Quote: zero. That aint good. I would think they make a run at Solder. I really expected McKinnon to be here as well.

That's actually very good. Loose lips sink ships.