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Schefter: Norwell to sign with Jacksonville

Defenderdawg : 3/13/2018 6:33 am
Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
3/13/18, 6:31 AM
Former Panthersí G Andrew Norwell intends to sign with the Jaguars on a 5-year deal for $66.5 million, including $30M fully guaranteed, source tells ESPN. He is going to become NFLís highest paid guard - $13.3 million average.
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RE: RE: RE: At that number they can have him  
McNally's_Nuts : 3/13/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 13861551 Go Terps said:
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Good lord you are insufferable. So you are only willing to sign the top available talent if it comes at a lower than market value price?

There was no scenario in which Norwell was going to sign a cap friendly deal, he was clearly the top available FA o-lineman and these guys have been getting paid more and more each year.



I'm not willing to overpay right now at any position when the roster is as bad as it is.

Signing Norwell makes sense if you think we're close and he could be the piece that pushes the offense up a level. But we're not close. This is a 2-3 year rebuild. That doesn't mean we're going to go 3-13 again next year...a bad roster can still have a good season with injury and schedule luck - 2016 is a good example of that.

But if we're honest with ourselves this team has been shit for years now. The biggest reason for that has been an interruption in the draft pipeline. Overpaying Norwell (who's a good player) isn't solving that.


Terps is 100 percent right. Even when we thought the drafting got better and I'd say that occurred with Justin Pugh and Hankins in 2013. There is something up with player development.

Everyone thought that the left side of the line was set for years when we drafted Flowers in 2015. Flowers-Pugh-Richburg all 3 of those guys were premium picks in the 1st and 2nd round and 2/3 out the 3 will not be on the team next year.

Pugh had a great rookie year, Richburg had an awesome 2015 and everyone thought the arrow would be pointing up for Flowers after an up and down rookie year with a high ankle sprain.

None of it happened and I don't know the solution to fix that.
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The_Boss : 3/13/2018 11:04 am : link
In comment 13861596 dep026 said:
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zero.



That aint good.

I would think they make a run at Solder. I really expected McKinnon to be here as well.


Donít want Solder. Heís 30 and by many accounts his play is slipping. Whatís he going to be in 2-3 years when/if this team is relevant again?
But, but, but.....Norwell was one of Gettleman's very own....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/13/2018 11:04 am : link
....Hog Mollies??!!
RE: This sucks ass  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/13/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13861522 est1986 said:
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We have Flowers, Jerry, Jones, Halapio and Bisnowaty/Wheeler as our OL unit as of now... wtf are we doing? We canít get Norwell or Solder? Great job so far DG


STFU cry baby, he did all he could that was reasonable
I don't think they'll spend big on a RB  
JonC : 3/13/2018 11:06 am : link
more likely a vet deal on a big back like Stewart, change of pace, wear down the defense.

I thought they'd reach out to Solder, we'll see.
RE: RE: RE: RE: At that number they can have him  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 13861610 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Pugh had a great rookie year, Richburg had an awesome 2015 and everyone thought the arrow would be pointing up for Flowers after an up and down rookie year with a high ankle sprain.

None of it happened and I don't know the solution to fix that.

Flowers and Pugh don't strike me as the type of guys that work that hard. I thought Richburg was a worker, but his career here was just weird.
For example..  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 11:08 am : link
Pugh talks a lot. But when you boil it down he never really did much except have 1 really good season and got hurt a bunch.
Wow.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2018 11:08 am : link
Time to rebuild. Enough of this 'win now' nonsense.
Signing  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 11:11 am : link
Pugh or Richburg would be like signing Prince after his rookie deal. Showed a good deal of talent, but ultimately just wasn't that much of a factor in the locker room or on the field. And it's a shame, because of the draft status.
For those  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 11:13 am : link
clamoring for the "we need Norwell at any cost" - this team now has basically 2 players from the 2012-2015 drafts that are good football players, Beckham and Collins. That is an absolute nightmare.
I considered Norwell a rebuild move  
AcesUp : 3/13/2018 11:15 am : link
He's 25, healthy and one of the better guards in the game. OL market is correcting big time, there just aren't enough capable players in the league anymore. I would not be shocked to see interior lineman getting 20m+/yr in a few years, so it's not a deal I'd see us regretting. Good signing for Jax and disappointing for us.

I don't see any other OL worth breaking the bank for. There's some speculative young OTs like Hubbard or Fleming, so they are definitely cost/structure dependent. I think the Giants will be best served rolling the dice on one of those types and looking to last contract vets as bandaids just to stop the bleeding until we can fix it the right way.
I just don't see  
PatchoguePete : 3/13/2018 11:15 am : link
how our offensive line is going to be any good next year unless we hit big in the draft. Things might get worse before they get better.
I guess this "win now" team  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2018 11:16 am : link
didn't really appeal to him. LOL.
It really is dark days  
PatchoguePete : 3/13/2018 11:18 am : link
for this franchise. I don't think we as fans really comprehend just how dark it is about to get. 3-13 for one year. How about 3-13, 4-12 for a few more seasons. Reese really screwed up this team.
I believe this now changes what we do in the draft  
The 12th Man : 3/13/2018 11:19 am : link
dramatically. I definitely see us now trading back and going OL with the pick.
RE: It really is dark days  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13861673 PatchoguePete said:
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for this franchise. I don't think we as fans really comprehend just how dark it is about to get. 3-13 for one year. How about 3-13, 4-12 for a few more seasons. Reese really screwed up this team.


I've been saying this for some time Pete. We're 6 years towards a lost decade already with a roster full of holes.
Dave in Hoboken  
Dragon : 3/13/2018 11:20 am : link
To late they got caught in the middle with FA only hope now is the draft but they also could blow that to. should have done like Carolina kept it quite just made the move talk is cheap.
Darnold/OL  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 11:21 am : link
or Barkley/OL are my favorite scenarios. We can't get cute just because we didn't sign a guard
Let's not fall apart on the draft front  
JonC : 3/13/2018 11:22 am : link
because we didn't sign an OG, hang on.
This shouldn't impact our draft at all  
Go Terps : 3/13/2018 11:22 am : link
Given that this team needs help in every area of the field, we would do well to simply draft the best player available at every pick. Trust your scouts and pick who they tell you is best.
RE: Let's not fall apart on the draft front  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13861691 JonC said:
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because we didn't sign an OG, hang on.

+1
Not signing  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2018 11:29 am : link
Norwell could be a great thing. You never know who is going to get hurt or stop giving the same effort once they get that big contract. The minor injuries they once played through, now they sit. It would have been a lot of money tied up in a guard. What we NEED is for DG to find the NEXT Norwell. That is the kind of thing that will jump start a franchise. You have to find some diamonds in rough. time will tell. Try to be patient. It's hard.
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WillVAB : 3/13/2018 11:32 am : link
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Blowing all the cap dollars on stopgaps to fill holes.

Missing out on Norwell sucks but the Giants have to be smart with their money.



Hard to classify a 26 year old player as a stopgap. More of a building block than a quick fix.



Iím talking about these other names being thrown around bc the Giants lost out on Norwell. I wanted Norwell. Wouldíve been worth the money.

What I donít want is for the Giants to panic and dole out bad deals to JAGs.



What do you consider being smart with your money, and which players are you classifying as JAGs?


Jerry, Harris, Vereen, and all the shitty LBs Reese paid for were bad FA deals. Individually their deals seem like a drop in the bucket but collectively their money adds up. Iíd rather pay for one or two quality guys in FA than a handful of check in the box guys.

If the Giants want to spend the money they have look for a difference maker at LB or Safety. Otherwise they should just roll it over and use it next year for the guys theyíll need to spend it on.
I'm kind of OK with the Giants not getting this guy.  
Tom in NY : 3/13/2018 11:38 am : link
Would love to have had an experienced, road grading OG, but with this rebuild this team is about to undertake, a $13MM/year Guard seems like a luxury they cannot afford.

Time to build the Oline through the draft, and development of young plays (ala the way Carolina did with Norwell years ago).

Good move.  
old man : 3/13/2018 11:38 am : link
Knock off Pats this time!
DG made his bones in pro personnel with NYG  
JonC : 3/13/2018 11:39 am : link
Have to believe his choices will prove better than Reese's recent track record, especially at OL.

The good aspect to stopgaps is they're often gone after the season at end, if that's the best that can be done via UFA.
In a funny kind of way...  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 11:56 am : link

...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.

Why?

Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.

And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.

But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.

Good point  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 11:58 am : link
M.S.

I'm imagining what Shurmur and Shula could do developing Darnold...and it's glorious
Norwell  
johnboyw : 3/13/2018 11:58 am : link
So much for loyalty to the guy who gave him his start. And chalk up a big win for TC at the Giants expense. The bumbling continues.
RE: In a funny kind of way...  
WillVAB : 3/13/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13861848 M.S. said:
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...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.

Why?

Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.

And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.

But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.


You act like a rookie QB wonít need a competent OL, only Eli does.

If the Giants go QB with a trash OL the ďcanít miss franchise QBĒ will be the next David Carr.
Trading Down Still The Best Route IMO  
TheVette : 3/13/2018 12:01 pm : link
Time to go after Buffalo - grab those 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounders, and a #1 pick next year. That's 8 picks in rounds 1-3 this year - use 4 of them on OL, and start the rebuild up front, use 3 of them on CB/S, and grab a RB with the other.

This is a 2-3 year rebuild - so these picks are key to turning over this roster. Next year should be another high draft pick - with 2 #1s and a lot of cap space coming due - target your QB next year, but FIRST - see what you have with Webb. If this team is 1-4 after 5 games - Eli should no longer be starting.
RE: Norwell  
YAJ2112 : 3/13/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13861862 johnboyw said:
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So much for loyalty to the guy who gave him his start. And chalk up a big win for TC at the Giants expense. The bumbling continues.


and you know the Giants didn't offer him the same deal how? He could have easily chosen Jax for the weather, no state tax, better team.
Wasnít for a lack for trying  
hitdog42 : 3/13/2018 12:04 pm : link
And wasnít an unwillingness to pay similar contract.
RE: Trading Down Still The Best Route IMO  
lax counsel : 3/13/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13861874 TheVette said:
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Time to go after Buffalo - grab those 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounders, and a #1 pick next year. That's 8 picks in rounds 1-3 this year - use 4 of them on OL, and start the rebuild up front, use 3 of them on CB/S, and grab a RB with the other.

This is a 2-3 year rebuild - so these picks are key to turning over this roster. Next year should be another high draft pick - with 2 #1s and a lot of cap space coming due - target your QB next year, but FIRST - see what you have with Webb. If this team is 1-4 after 5 games - Eli should no longer be starting.


You do realize next years qb class will actually not warrant a top 5 pick, right? It's going to be a historically weak class. So targeting a qb next year is a flawed plan.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Not a fan of  
BigBlueinChicago : 3/13/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13861740 WillVAB said:
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Jerry, Harris, Vereen, and all the shitty LBs Reese paid for were bad FA deals. Individually their deals seem like a drop in the bucket but collectively their money adds up. Iíd rather pay for one or two quality guys in FA than a handful of check in the box guys.


It is the "I would rather have $1.00 than four quarters" saying.

I agree with you.
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arcarsenal : 3/13/2018 12:04 pm : link
Sounds like Norwell simply chose JAX over us.

I don't blame him. They're a QB away from being perhaps the best team in the league.
RE: RE: Trading Down Still The Best Route IMO  
TheVette : 3/13/2018 12:08 pm : link
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Time to go after Buffalo - grab those 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounders, and a #1 pick next year. That's 8 picks in rounds 1-3 this year - use 4 of them on OL, and start the rebuild up front, use 3 of them on CB/S, and grab a RB with the other.

This is a 2-3 year rebuild - so these picks are key to turning over this roster. Next year should be another high draft pick - with 2 #1s and a lot of cap space coming due - target your QB next year, but FIRST - see what you have with Webb. If this team is 1-4 after 5 games - Eli should no longer be starting.



You do realize next years qb class will actually not warrant a top 5 pick, right? It's going to be a historically weak class. So targeting a qb next year is a flawed plan.


There are other ways to get a QB (FA), and as far as who emerges next year in CFB - will have to see how it plays out. You can't say it's a flawed plan at all when no College QB has thrown a pass yet in 2018 and in bowl games. But if they take a QB with #2 - you do nothing to fill the tons of holes on the this team, so let him sit behind Eli and watch this team go 4-12. Be ready for that
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hitdog42 : 3/13/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13861887 arcarsenal said:
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Sounds like Norwell simply chose JAX over us.

I don't blame him. They're a QB away from being perhaps the best team in the league.


Team and state - yup
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The_Boss : 3/13/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13861905 hitdog42 said:
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Sounds like Norwell simply chose JAX over us.

I don't blame him. They're a QB away from being perhaps the best team in the league.



Team and state - yup


So state tax laws aside, that would actually mean the NYG are not a desirable destination for FA's given the current state of the roster and all the chaos from a season ago. Awesome.
RE: RE: In a funny kind of way...  
NYG07 : 3/13/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13861869 WillVAB said:
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...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.

Why?

Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.

And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.

But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.




You act like a rookie QB wonít need a competent OL, only Eli does.

If the Giants go QB with a trash OL the ďcanít miss franchise QBĒ will be the next David Carr.


You are right, but if you are going to keep Eli then throw him to the wolves next season and let the rookie sit for a year. With a couple of draft picks this year and the cap relief from releasing Eli next offseason, they can go after top FA O-lineman. Then they may actually have a competent O-line.
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SHO'NUFF : 3/13/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13861905 hitdog42 said:
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Sounds like Norwell simply chose JAX over us.

I don't blame him. They're a QB away from being perhaps the best team in the league.



Team and state - yup


$$$$ tax free
RE: RE: RE: Trading Down Still The Best Route IMO  
GoBlue6599 : 3/13/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13861901 TheVette said:
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Time to go after Buffalo - grab those 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, 2 3rd rounders, and a #1 pick next year. That's 8 picks in rounds 1-3 this year - use 4 of them on OL, and start the rebuild up front, use 3 of them on CB/S, and grab a RB with the other.

This is a 2-3 year rebuild - so these picks are key to turning over this roster. Next year should be another high draft pick - with 2 #1s and a lot of cap space coming due - target your QB next year, but FIRST - see what you have with Webb. If this team is 1-4 after 5 games - Eli should no longer be starting.



You do realize next years qb class will actually not warrant a top 5 pick, right? It's going to be a historically weak class. So targeting a qb next year is a flawed plan.



There are other ways to get a QB (FA), and as far as who emerges next year in CFB - will have to see how it plays out. You can't say it's a flawed plan at all when no College QB has thrown a pass yet in 2018 and in bowl games. But if they take a QB with #2 - you do nothing to fill the tons of holes on the this team, so let him sit behind Eli and watch this team go 4-12. Be ready for that

Who are the Giants going to draft that will prevent this team from going 4-12 next year
You expect a trade down and then grab a bunch of starters from 1 draft class? Wishful thinking
RE: In a funny kind of way...  
Eman11 : 3/13/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13861848 M.S. said:
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...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.

Why?

Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.

And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.

But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.


I think the opposite and felt he would go for one or the other, not two guys who play the same position. I.e. If he landed Norwell he'd be more likely to pass on Nelson but now he might be more inclined to get him.
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M.S. : 3/13/2018 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13861869 WillVAB said:
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...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.

Why?

Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.

And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.

But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.




You act like a rookie QB wonít need a competent OL, only Eli does.

If the Giants go QB with a trash OL the ďcanít miss franchise QBĒ will be the next David Carr.

Oh, no... Eli gets to play behind the "trash OL" while the rookie wears a visor and carries the clip board.

It's only right.

Let the old dog take the whacks... not the spanking new spring pup.
I have a different take on Norwell's contract.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/13/2018 1:04 pm : link
At least, I think my take is different. I'm at work and can't read the whole thread above.

The market for quality O-linemen is beginning to reflect their new scarcity. Guards were never worth that kind of money, but supply is low and demand is high. The market is self-correcting. The price for good guards is going up.

In theory, the supply of quality guards should increase to meet the demand and the increasing money for linemen -- but the lack of quality linemen may be due to structural factors that aren't that flexible (such as diminished practice time and colleges not developing talent at those positions).

So we might be entering a period when very good linemen get paid a lot. But that money has to come from somewhere. Are there any positions where talent is plentiful and guys are easily replaced?

Tough call. Running backs and receivers maybe?

RE: RE: RE: RE: Trading Down Still The Best Route IMO  
TheVette : 3/13/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13862029 GoBlue6599 said:
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Who are the Giants going to draft that will prevent this team from going 4-12 next year
You expect a trade down and then grab a bunch of starters from 1 draft class? Wishful thinking


As opposed to? Drafting Rosen or Darnold? That's not preventing this team from going 4-12 either. How do you expect for this team to improve such a barren roster, if they do not do it via the draft? If they trade down - they can use this draft to actually build depth and improve the talent on the roster. For all those who are against trading down - I never hear the alternative as to how the rest of the roster will be improved? What would you do? Draft a QB, and then what else? Use the next 3 drafts to build the roster?
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GoBlue6599 : 3/13/2018 1:29 pm : link
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Who are the Giants going to draft that will prevent this team from going 4-12 next year
You expect a trade down and then grab a bunch of starters from 1 draft class? Wishful thinking



As opposed to? Drafting Rosen or Darnold? That's not preventing this team from going 4-12 either. How do you expect for this team to improve such a barren roster, if they do not do it via the draft? If they trade down - they can use this draft to actually build depth and improve the talent on the roster. For all those who are against trading down - I never hear the alternative as to how the rest of the roster will be improved? What would you do? Draft a QB, and then what else? Use the next 3 drafts to build the roster?

Improve this roster to what? Playoff quality? A trade down and a bunch of rookie starters isn't going to acomplish that IMO..
Yeah take Rosen/ Darnold and if they're the studs we hope year 2-3 we could be back fairly quickly with a roster on the rise and a yound stud @ Qb
This team aint going from 3 wins to SB contender come on that's just fallacy
Screw the quick fix because it rarely works and let's do this the right way and IMO it starts with a young top notch Qb
I blame this all on Jerry Reese  
BigBlue1013 : 3/13/2018 2:12 pm : link
Gettleman took over a mess of a team. If Jerry Reese would have taken the Draft serious, our OL wouldn't have be such a mess it has become. I give props to Dave because he could have done what Reese did with Vernon-JPP-Harrison-Jenkins...over pay(Since you know Reese couldn't draft at those positions). He probably set his price to Norwell and Norwell got a better deal. Can't blame Norwell for that.

I am disappointed in Norwell going to the Jags(Happy for Coach Coughlin) but there is plenty of OL Free Agents. Yes they aren't Norwell but again since this team is a mess you got to find a way to plug these holes until you draft and develop a couple of OLman

Solder-Henderson-Fleming-Sitton-Kline-Fusco would be good options
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WillVAB : 3/13/2018 3:07 pm : link
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...I almost believe that losing out on Norwell may focus management's attention even more toward going QB at #2.

Why?

Well, had DG secured the services of Norwell, maybe he would have then be tempted to go Quenton Nelson thus providing Eli Manning with the best possible interior wall to thrive behind.

And make no fucking mistake about it... Eli needs to be made as comfortable as possible to maximize the skills he still possesses.

But, now, Quenton alone ain't gonna be enough, so maybe the thinking reverts back to the primary goal of this Draft, which is not to maximize what Eli still has in the tank, but to find Eli's replacement.




You act like a rookie QB wonít need a competent OL, only Eli does.

If the Giants go QB with a trash OL the ďcanít miss franchise QBĒ will be the next David Carr.


Oh, no... Eli gets to play behind the "trash OL" while the rookie wears a visor and carries the clip board.

It's only right.

Let the old dog take the whacks... not the spanking new spring pup.


Donít understand why youíre using quotes around trash OL. Itís a fact.

So Ď19 is the year the Giants get 3-5 new competent offensive linemen?

Just keep kicking the can down the road.
WillVAB...  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 3:47 pm : link
... I used quotations because they were your words, that is all.

Of course our O-line is trash... not one BBIer would believe otherwise.

All I'm saying is that we need a new franchise QB and, if we cannot fix the line in one off-season, my overwhelming preference is to let Eli take the beating, not our rookie QB.

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