are giving him a 5 year deal he clearly has value...
Oh is that what it is? Somebody signing a player now makes him valuable?
Lmao not to get all technical on you but YES a players value is based off of what the market dictates. You have your answer. So yes he has value clearly. If your going to single out a post at least make sense
At very least running lots of outside zone like he did in atlanta might be easier for the slightly smaller, lighter players as opposed to what mac attempted to run.
That said, I was not a big believer in richburg as our center . Jones seems better anyway. So....who cares, no great loss for us.
And we dont yet even really know our run block style.
was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.
are giving him a 5 year deal he clearly has value...
Oh is that what it is? Somebody signing a player now makes him valuable?
Lmao not to get all technical on you but YES a players value is based off of what the market dictates. You have your answer. So yes he has value clearly. If your going to single out a post at least make sense
So you think that is somebody signs a player who clearly sucks, he suddenly becomes a good player? That's the George Steinbrenner theory of talent acquisition. Ed Whitson (just one infamous example. Kenny Rogers another) is a good back of the rotation starter, so I'll pay him ACE $$ and he will become one.
with this loss? Richburg was not released. I hope Richburg, Pugh, Fluker (if he is leaving) get "buku" dollars that may translate into 3rd round compensatory picks.
was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.
Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?
was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.
Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?
Wait!! BBI said Solari was going to fix everything! It was all Flaherty's fault!
was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.
Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?
Wait!! BBI said Solari was going to fix everything! It was all Flaherty's fault!
;-)
Ive said this before, but this OL will be better with different coaching. You can take average OL and build a servicable OL with good coaching
Today are just asked to hold the line they are not blowing people off the line they are just not being run over. Richburg took a major step back year before and this year was a loss due to several reasons time to move on, good luck.
was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.
Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.
was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.
Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?
Wait!! BBI said Solari was going to fix everything! It was all Flaherty's fault!
;-)
Ive said this before, but this OL will be better with different coaching. You can take average OL and build a servicable OL with good coaching
We're on our third offensive line coach with this experiment.
was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.
Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.
Yes, when it was a TC/GB WCO hybrid in 2015. That is true. It went to shit when it became 100% McAdoo scheme
was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.
Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.
Yes, when it was a TC/GB WCO hybrid in 2015. That is true. It went to shit when it became 100% McAdoo scheme
Was it Coughlin's last year when Richburg had his best year at Center? I don't recall.
was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.
Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.
Yes, when it was a TC/GB WCO hybrid in 2015. That is true. It went to shit when it became 100% McAdoo scheme
Was it Coughlin's last year when Richburg had his best year at Center? I don't recall.
into a good Center, but then we changed coaches and then he sucked? Like he didn't know how to play the position well anymore because he was poorly coached?
into a good Center, but then we changed coaches and then he sucked? Like he didn't know how to play the position well anymore because he was poorly coached?
He's not the only recently drafted linemen who started off their career well, then got progressively worse the longer he was on the team.
Richburg's second season was legitimately good. Pugh's rookie year he made the all rookie team at RT.
Richburg went into the tank and Pugh lost his RT job the following season.
and hopefully along with the rest of them (Pugh). Functional guys but not effective and the culture of "underachieving" will likely hamper us. We can lose with different guys with perhaps a fresh start and upside.
Solari's inside zone scheme never really was effective but that probably had more to do with the RG than Richburg. Also, takes time to develop and Giants never had a consistently healthy OL.
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I'm sorry but I want a center who can blow a guy off the ball.
James Daniels is my favorite center in the draft. Would be thrilled to get him at top of round 3 if he's somehow still there.
I'm not disappointed to lose him. As others have said, he's too light to get a push or keep a pocket for the QB.
And Daniels, as good as he is, is also very light. I'm not sure I want to go that route again. I think I'd rathr have Ragnow.
yep
I don't see that working out, but what do I know? He has the mobility, but if he didn't have enough push to play C, he is he going to play OG?
Shanahan does run a zone scheme, so maybe Richburg is a fit there? Either way, it didn't work here, so best of luck to him.
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are giving him a 5 year deal he clearly has value...
Oh is that what it is? Somebody signing a player now makes him valuable?
Lmao not to get all technical on you but YES a players value is based off of what the market dictates. You have your answer. So yes he has value clearly. If your going to single out a post at least make sense
That said, I was not a big believer in richburg as our center . Jones seems better anyway. So....who cares, no great loss for us.
And we dont yet even really know our run block style.
Next subject.
Yeah he was not very good but he was light. Maybe a couple of trips to Krispy Kreme will help him.
We tendered Jones and Hilapio and re-signed Greco, so right now its seems like safety in numbers approach and all the contracts are pretty reasonable.
Yeah right. We play San Fran this year. Watch how easily Tomlinson and Harrison abuse him.
5 years is an absurd contract for him. Seems like SF is panicking after not getting Norwell.
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are giving him a 5 year deal he clearly has value...
Oh is that what it is? Somebody signing a player now makes him valuable?
Lmao not to get all technical on you but YES a players value is based off of what the market dictates. You have your answer. So yes he has value clearly. If your going to single out a post at least make sense
So you think that is somebody signs a player who clearly sucks, he suddenly becomes a good player? That's the George Steinbrenner theory of talent acquisition. Ed Whitson (just one infamous example. Kenny Rogers another) is a good back of the rotation starter, so I'll pay him ACE $$ and he will become one.
Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?
Hope its worth a 3rd or 4th.
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was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.
Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?
Wait!! BBI said Solari was going to fix everything! It was all Flaherty's fault!
;-)
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was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.
Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?
Wait!! BBI said Solari was going to fix everything! It was all Flaherty's fault!
;-)
Ive said this before, but this OL will be better with different coaching. You can take average OL and build a servicable OL with good coaching
...who gives a fucking shit about Richburg???
We are better today with this announcement.
Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.
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was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.
Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?
Wait!! BBI said Solari was going to fix everything! It was all Flaherty's fault!
;-)
Ive said this before, but this OL will be better with different coaching. You can take average OL and build a servicable OL with good coaching
We're on our third offensive line coach with this experiment.
Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.
Yes, when it was a TC/GB WCO hybrid in 2015. That is true. It went to shit when it became 100% McAdoo scheme
It absolutely looks like this is what we will need to do and I'm ok with that
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was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.
Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.
Yes, when it was a TC/GB WCO hybrid in 2015. That is true. It went to shit when it became 100% McAdoo scheme
Was it Coughlin's last year when Richburg had his best year at Center? I don't recall.
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was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.
Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.
Yes, when it was a TC/GB WCO hybrid in 2015. That is true. It went to shit when it became 100% McAdoo scheme
Was it Coughlin's last year when Richburg had his best year at Center? I don't recall.
Yes. 2015..
Excited to see what Jones can do and satisfied the FO knows he was the better player given the tender value they assigned to him.
LOL!
Amen. Mcadoo wrecked shit here. He was as bad as humanly possible.
He's not the only recently drafted linemen who started off their career well, then got progressively worse the longer he was on the team.
Richburg's second season was legitimately good. Pugh's rookie year he made the all rookie team at RT.
Richburg went into the tank and Pugh lost his RT job the following season.
Solari's inside zone scheme never really was effective but that probably had more to do with the RG than Richburg. Also, takes time to develop and Giants never had a consistently healthy OL.