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elisha2014 : 3/13/2018 10:42 am
Another one bites the dust...Another year with the worst OL in football upcoming.
Wait, what?  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2018 10:43 am : link
You post this and say another of worst Oline coming up? Because we lose a guy we didn't want???
But  
cokeduplt : 3/13/2018 10:43 am : link
He was part of the problem no big loss
Pro Bowl in 2 years  
Bill L : 3/13/2018 10:44 am : link
you just watch.
Richburg  
13ODB : 3/13/2018 10:44 am : link
Stink in 2016
They can have him  
jeff57 : 3/13/2018 10:44 am : link
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Good thing they have a mobile QB  
widmerseyebrow : 3/13/2018 10:44 am : link
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5 year deal  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 10:44 am : link
i wonder what the money is. Good signing for them IF he can stay healthy.
If the Niners  
elisha2014 : 3/13/2018 10:45 am : link
are giving him a 5 year deal he clearly has value...
see ya  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 10:45 am : link
don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

the OP makes no sense. Richburg was part of the problem.
Money will be interesting  
AcesUp : 3/13/2018 10:45 am : link
He's a tough one to figure out.
I thought it was  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 10:46 am : link
weird when Richburg basically called out the entire OL after being on the team for 1 year. He called it "his offensive line" and said that some of the guys basically weren't doing what he was doing in the offseason. Remember that? I was hoping that would be a good thing....it wasn't
wait til jimmy G tries to step up and sees Richburg's  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 10:46 am : link
head at his feet for the first time.
Dumb Post, Dumber Poster  
Bruner4329 : 3/13/2018 10:46 am : link
I don't get these people. We have one of the worst lines the last few years and an overhaul is needed so when we lose one of the guys that played on one of the worst lines people start complaining? Do they even watch the games? If they did they would know that there was no push from the center spot with this guy.
RE: If the Niners  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13861528 elisha2014 said:
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are giving him a 5 year deal he clearly has value...


Oh is that what it is? Somebody signing a player now makes him valuable?
Guy gets zero push  
BlueHurricane : 3/13/2018 10:49 am : link
I'm sorry but I want a center who can blow a guy off the ball.
RE: Guy gets zero push  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 13861546 BlueHurricane said:
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I'm sorry but I want a center who can blow a guy off the ball.


or a LEAST hold his ground.

Too much film out on this guy now. Just line up a big DT on the nose and push him back. Too easy. As an offense I don't know how you can scheme around that.
RE: RE: If the Niners  
elisha2014 : 3/13/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 13861541 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13861528 elisha2014 said:


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are giving him a 5 year deal he clearly has value...



Oh is that what it is? Somebody signing a player now makes him valuable?


My mistake Victor - you must know more than the front office in San Fran. Maybe Gettleman should bring you in.
he will thrive in that system  
sundayatone : 3/13/2018 10:51 am : link
and a qb who is very athletic.
No big loss  
DonnieD89 : 3/13/2018 10:52 am : link
Giants will have an opportunity to get Price, Daniels, or Ragnow in the 2nd if they want a C/OG. Let’s see how it goes.
RE: Guy gets zero push  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13861546 BlueHurricane said:
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I'm sorry but I want a center who can blow a guy off the ball.

James Daniels is my favorite center in the draft. Would be thrilled to get him at top of round 3 if he's somehow still there.
Niners  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2018 10:53 am : link
also signed (will be signing) a Center too. So either Richburg is changing positions or the center they signed is switching.
Richburg  
Andy in Boston : 3/13/2018 10:53 am : link
to Guard I believe.
Good Bye and don't let the door hot you on the way out  
djstat : 3/13/2018 10:55 am : link
Way over paid. Was AWFUL in 2016 and off to an AWFUL start in 2017. Line got better when he got hurt.
RE: Dumb Post, Dumber Poster  
Neckbone1333 : 3/13/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13861540 Bruner4329 said:
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I don't get these people. We have one of the worst lines the last few years and an overhaul is needed so when we lose one of the guys that played on one of the worst lines people start complaining? Do they even watch the games? If they did they would know that there was no push from the center spot with this guy.


Definitely a dumb post...Don't know the poster, so won't go there.
RE: Good Bye and don't let the door hot you on the way out  
BillKo : 3/13/2018 10:57 am : link
In comment 13861575 djstat said:
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Way over paid. Was AWFUL in 2016 and off to an AWFUL start in 2017. Line got better when he got hurt.


Can't argue that.

Five years....I'm sure he won't last there five years.
Richberg was a brutal guard  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/13/2018 10:58 am : link
when he was here his first year. He had an OK year at center and then decline. Don't see him as an effective guard at all. But who knows?
I would not be shocked to see him go back to being a quality player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 10:58 am : link
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Weird career...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2018 11:02 am : link
Looked to be a keeper, but his career has fallen off a cliff, though injuries might have contributed to it.
RE: RE: Guy gets zero push  
yatqb : 3/13/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13861564 ryanmkeane said:
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I'm sorry but I want a center who can blow a guy off the ball.


James Daniels is my favorite center in the draft. Would be thrilled to get him at top of round 3 if he's somehow still there.


I'm not disappointed to lose him. As others have said, he's too light to get a push or keep a pocket for the QB.

And Daniels, as good as he is, is also very light. I'm not sure I want to go that route again. I think I'd rathr have Ragnow.
Strange Moves  
Sammo85 : 3/13/2018 11:06 am : link
by the Niners in adding two huge health question marks in Richburg and Sherman.
RE: Richberg was a brutal guard  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 13861591 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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when he was here his first year. He had an OK year at center and then decline. Don't see him as an effective guard at all. But who knows?


yep
RE: Richburg  
Section331 : 3/13/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 13861569 Andy in Boston said:
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to Guard I believe.


I don't see that working out, but what do I know? He has the mobility, but if he didn't have enough push to play C, he is he going to play OG?

Shanahan does run a zone scheme, so maybe Richburg is a fit there? Either way, it didn't work here, so best of luck to him.
RE: RE: If the Niners  
Tuckrule : 3/13/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13861541 Victor in CT said:
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are giving him a 5 year deal he clearly has value...



Oh is that what it is? Somebody signing a player now makes him valuable?


Lmao not to get all technical on you but YES a players value is based off of what the market dictates. You have your answer. So yes he has value clearly. If your going to single out a post at least make sense
That's shanny correct?  
idiotsavant : 3/13/2018 11:09 am : link
At very least running lots of outside zone like he did in atlanta might be easier for the slightly smaller, lighter players as opposed to what mac attempted to run.

That said, I was not a big believer in richburg as our center . Jones seems better anyway. So....who cares, no great loss for us.

And we dont yet even really know our run block style.

Next subject.
RE: Richberg was a brutal guard  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13861591 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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when he was here his first year. He had an OK year at center and then decline. Don't see him as an effective guard at all. But who knows?


Yeah he was not very good but he was light. Maybe a couple of trips to Krispy Kreme will help him.

We tendered Jones and Hilapio and re-signed Greco, so right now its seems like safety in numbers approach and all the contracts are pretty reasonable.

He seemed pretty good but in the end  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2018 11:11 am : link
he couldn't beat out a Canadian midget.
RE: Pro Bowl in 2 years  
est1986 : 3/13/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13861523 Bill L said:
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you just watch.


Yeah right. We play San Fran this year. Watch how easily Tomlinson and Harrison abuse him.
DG  
AcidTest : 3/13/2018 11:13 am : link
was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.
Addition by subtraction  
RobCarpenter : 3/13/2018 11:13 am : link
As others noted the interior OL was better without him.

5 years is an absurd contract for him. Seems like SF is panicking after not getting Norwell.
RE: RE: RE: If the Niners  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 11:17 am : link
In comment 13861638 Tuckrule said:
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In comment 13861528 elisha2014 said:


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are giving him a 5 year deal he clearly has value...



Oh is that what it is? Somebody signing a player now makes him valuable?



Lmao not to get all technical on you but YES a players value is based off of what the market dictates. You have your answer. So yes he has value clearly. If your going to single out a post at least make sense


So you think that is somebody signs a player who clearly sucks, he suddenly becomes a good player? That's the George Steinbrenner theory of talent acquisition. Ed Whitson (just one infamous example. Kenny Rogers another) is a good back of the rotation starter, so I'll pay him ACE $$ and he will become one.
Light in the pants even  
Stufftherun : 3/13/2018 11:18 am : link
with a full diaper and we witnessed him in the backfield and in Eli's lap all too often. Onward and upward.
Are the Giants entitled to Compensatory pick  
dk in TX : 3/13/2018 11:27 am : link
with this loss? Richburg was not released. I hope Richburg, Pugh, Fluker (if he is leaving) get "buku" dollars that may translate into 3rd round compensatory picks.
RE: DG  
RetroJint : 3/13/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13861655 AcidTest said:
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was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.

Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?
RE: Money will be interesting  
old man : 3/13/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13861533 AcesUp said:
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He's a tough one to figure out.


Hope its worth a 3rd or 4th.
RE: RE: DG  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13861733 RetroJint said:
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was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.


Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?


Wait!! BBI said Solari was going to fix everything! It was all Flaherty's fault!

;-)
..3rd or 4th  
old man : 3/13/2018 11:33 am : link
Comp pick.
..3rd or 4th  
old man : 3/13/2018 11:34 am : link
Comp pick.
He sucked balls  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/13/2018 11:35 am : link
Way to cry over losing one of our worst OL
RE: RE: RE: DG  
Aaroninma : 3/13/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 13861742 Victor in CT said:
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was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.


Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?



Wait!! BBI said Solari was going to fix everything! It was all Flaherty's fault!

;-)



Ive said this before, but this OL will be better with different coaching. You can take average OL and build a servicable OL with good coaching
Really...  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 11:45 am : link

...who gives a fucking shit about Richburg???

We are better today with this announcement.
Centers  
Dragon : 3/13/2018 11:47 am : link
Today are just asked to hold the line they are not blowing people off the line they are just not being run over. Richburg took a major step back year before and this year was a loss due to several reasons time to move on, good luck.
Drop down to 4-5  
Carl in CT : 3/13/2018 11:49 am : link
Pick up some extra picks and draft 4 OL with our first 4 picks and start the rebuild!
Something very strange ...  
Mike From Brielle : 3/13/2018 11:52 am : link
was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.

Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.
Not a hog molly  
trueblueinpw : 3/13/2018 11:53 am : link
See ya’
RE: RE: RE: RE: DG  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 11:55 am : link
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was never going to resign him. He doesn't have the mass to be a "hog mollie." He's mostly a move player who works best in space, not at the LOS. As others have said, he's cerebral, but gets moved off the ball and pushed back. He also has trouble generating any push at the LOS.


Went over this last week. Tim Jernigan called him one of the strongest centers he’s ever faced and a load in the running game. Jernigan is a DT who carries no brief for Richburg . His analysis belies the “finesse, second level” cliches about him . I was off on my estimate about when he would sign. I thought he would be signed on 3-15. Doesn’t take long for offensive linemen to move. Lastly, perhaps some of the disappointment with these guys should be directed toward Solari?



Wait!! BBI said Solari was going to fix everything! It was all Flaherty's fault!

;-)




Ive said this before, but this OL will be better with different coaching. You can take average OL and build a servicable OL with good coaching


We're on our third offensive line coach with this experiment.
RE: Something very strange ...  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13861835 Mike From Brielle said:
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was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.

Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.


Yes, when it was a TC/GB WCO hybrid in 2015. That is true. It went to shit when it became 100% McAdoo scheme
You’re going to see  
Rflairr : 3/13/2018 12:00 pm : link
Just how shitty this coaching staff was. The talent was here
RE: Drop down to 4-5  
montanagiant : 3/13/2018 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13861823 Carl in CT said:
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Pick up some extra picks and draft 4 OL with our first 4 picks and start the rebuild!

It absolutely looks like this is what we will need to do and I'm ok with that
There's no way  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2018 12:43 pm : link
Gettleman is passing on Barkley or QB to trade down a few spots to take a guard.
another failed  
SHO'NUFF : 3/13/2018 12:48 pm : link
Reese pick
I thought Richburg was a fullback...  
BamaBlue : 3/13/2018 12:56 pm : link
he spent so much time in the backfield on running plays.
RE: RE: Something very strange ...  
Mike From Brielle : 3/13/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13861847 Victor in CT said:
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was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.

Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.



Yes, when it was a TC/GB WCO hybrid in 2015. That is true. It went to shit when it became 100% McAdoo scheme


Was it Coughlin's last year when Richburg had his best year at Center? I don't recall.
RE: RE: RE: Something very strange ...  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13862081 Mike From Brielle said:
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was going on the last few years with our OL! All those high draft picks and nothing to show for it? It was almost as if Reese and McAdoo were trying to screw the OL up. If I had had my druthers I would have liked to have let the OL situation stabilize a bit and see what happened this year. Coughlin does seem to be taking vengeance on the Giants; someone should tell him the people who he has a beef with (maybe justifiably)are gone.

Reese spends all this money on the defense as soon as Coughlin is gone but McAdoo's offense (which is supposedly his strong point) goes down the toilet which just before that year it was one of the highest rated offenses in the NFL if memory serves.



Yes, when it was a TC/GB WCO hybrid in 2015. That is true. It went to shit when it became 100% McAdoo scheme



Was it Coughlin's last year when Richburg had his best year at Center? I don't recall.


Yes. 2015..
Richburg to SF...  
Torrag : 3/13/2018 1:58 pm : link
...very relieved we let this guy walk.

Excited to see what Jones can do and satisfied the FO knows he was the better player given the tender value they assigned to him.
Glad we finally get to stick it to San Fran  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2018 2:56 pm : link
for us signing David Baas...
RE: Glad we finally get to stick it to San Fran  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13862444 Jimmy Googs said:
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for us signing David Baas...


LOL!
Richburg was part of the problem,  
Doomster : 3/13/2018 3:22 pm : link
as others have said, addition by subtraction....
Richburg's best skill was  
mrvax : 3/13/2018 4:22 pm : link
somehow getting his back in proper position to make contact with his QB on passing downs, the running back on runs. How do we replace that skill?
RE: You’re going to see  
djm : 3/13/2018 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13861872 Rflairr said:
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Just how shitty this coaching staff was. The talent was here


Amen. Mcadoo wrecked shit here. He was as bad as humanly possible.
I am not so sure. Are we really saying Richburg was developing  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2018 7:10 pm : link
into a good Center, but then we changed coaches and then he sucked? Like he didn't know how to play the position well anymore because he was poorly coached?


someone else called it - puzzling  
bc4life : 3/13/2018 8:00 pm : link
first year looked pretty good - then the injuries, the suspension. then the play deteriorated.
RE: I am not so sure. Are we really saying Richburg was developing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13863103 Jimmy Googs said:
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into a good Center, but then we changed coaches and then he sucked? Like he didn't know how to play the position well anymore because he was poorly coached?



He's not the only recently drafted linemen who started off their career well, then got progressively worse the longer he was on the team.

Richburg's second season was legitimately good. Pugh's rookie year he made the all rookie team at RT.

Richburg went into the tank and Pugh lost his RT job the following season.
I’m glad  
nygnyy274 : 3/13/2018 8:33 pm : link
We did not resign him I’ll be even happier if Pugh goes elsewhere
Our centers have had an affinity for playing in our own backfield.  
RDJR : 3/13/2018 9:38 pm : link
O’Hara had a similar propensity his final few seasons.
glad to see him go  
mdc1 : 3/13/2018 9:47 pm : link
and hopefully along with the rest of them (Pugh). Functional guys but not effective and the culture of "underachieving" will likely hamper us. We can lose with different guys with perhaps a fresh start and upside.
Shanahan runs an outside zone blocking scheme  
Vanzetti : 3/13/2018 11:56 pm : link
that will fit Richburg's skill set perfectly

Solari's inside zone scheme never really was effective but that probably had more to do with the RG than Richburg. Also, takes time to develop and Giants never had a consistently healthy OL.
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