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Breer: NYG in on Solder

Defenderdawg : 3/13/2018 5:13 pm
Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer)
3/13/18, 5:07 PM
Another team in on Patriots OT Nate Solder: The New York Giants. After losing out on Andrew Norwell, their search for offensive line help continues. Pats will have a battle to hold on to Tom Brady's left tackle.
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I would been fine paying Norwell what JAX paid him  
Knee of Theismann : 3/13/2018 7:55 pm : link
Instead we're going to end up paying Pugh and Solder a combined $25M/year to be mediocre. How can you argue a little extra dough isn't worth all-pro play vs. mediocre/sub-par play? I don't care guard vs. tackle, o-line is o-line in today's NFL with all the different blitz schemes Defenses come up with these days.
I agree  
big canoe jeff : 3/13/2018 7:55 pm : link
But the Giants need to do it this year only
Then we should be in a good$$$ situation DG needs to be firm donít kick the can down the road so we are in perpetual cap hell like forever under reese
Knee  
bc4life : 3/13/2018 7:57 pm : link
Pugh will sign elsewhere
I think this proves  
Knee of Theismann : 3/13/2018 7:58 pm : link
That David Diehl is like essentially the reason we won 2 super bowls. We got insanely lucky getting a guy in the 7th round who wasn't even a left tackle and he ended up filling that role reliably well for half a decade.
Jerry  
big canoe jeff : 3/13/2018 8:01 pm : link
Iím going to get the papers get the papers
RE: Reb  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13863230 bc4life said:
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why don't you go get the papers...


LMAO
Actually  
big canoe jeff : 3/13/2018 8:03 pm : link
5th rd. Other then Snee who else have they drafted?.
last good OL they  
bc4life : 3/13/2018 8:05 pm : link
drafted that I can remember was...Williams the Center when Reeves was here? Can't be that long ago...
Yea  
big canoe jeff : 3/13/2018 8:07 pm : link
Brian Williams really good
RE: RE: RE: Dave Gettleman with his 2nd at bat  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/13/2018 8:11 pm : link
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I bet he strikes out again



Youíre the worst



Truth hurts, doesnít it? Wait until you see how bad he fucks up the draft.


You are an unhappy little man.
worst one  
bc4life : 3/13/2018 8:13 pm : link
was 3rd rounder Jeff Hatch
Was Rosenthal a Giants pick? He went on to have a career after here.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 8:15 pm : link
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RE: worst one  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2018 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13863286 bc4life said:
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was 3rd rounder Jeff Hatch


The Rod Babers of offensive linemen.
RE: Was Rosenthal a Giants pick? He went on to have a career after here.  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2018 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13863295 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He was, yes - 5th rd I believe.

Went to MIN for a few years after he left here.
5th rounder  
bc4life : 3/13/2018 8:18 pm : link
went to Vikes, did fairly well there.
Didn't hatch have a back?  
idiotsavant : 3/13/2018 8:19 pm : link
?
geez went back looking at OL draftees  
bc4life : 3/13/2018 8:25 pm : link
Snee in 2004 then ...Mitch Petrus, James Brewer, Adam Koets, and several years we didn't draft any OL.
No he didn't have a back  
bc4life : 3/13/2018 8:27 pm : link
but he had a sharp legal mind - remember when he didn't want to participate in rookie camp without a contract due to fear of injury?
RE: geez went back looking at OL draftees  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13863332 bc4life said:
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Snee in 2004 then ...Mitch Petrus, James Brewer, Adam Koets, and several years we didn't draft any OL.


James Brewer, another Ereck Flowers. Except Flowers actually plays with some aggression and power.
I hated  
Sammo85 : 3/13/2018 8:42 pm : link
when we drafted Petitgout in the 1st. I was crushed the year we just missed out on Ogden and got Cedric Jones.

Iíd be really surprised if we donít take at least one OL in Rounds 2 and 3.
Checked it  
idiotsavant : 3/13/2018 8:51 pm : link
Hatch injured his back early in his rookie year. Possibly had tweaked it pre draft even.
RE: I hated  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13863361 Sammo85 said:
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when we drafted Petitgout in the 1st. I was crushed the year we just missed out on Ogden and got Cedric Jones.

Iíd be really surprised if we donít take at least one OL in Rounds 2 and 3.


I would too. Building the OL through the draft will take a couple a couple of years but you need to start with this draft.
Seems like they went through a period  
idiotsavant : 3/13/2018 8:55 pm : link
Where they wanted the line to 'look professional' ( I.E. not fat wide droopy pants).

Which is very silly of course. Get great football players. Wide is fine.
also took shawn williams  
bc4life : 3/13/2018 8:56 pm : link
in lieu of alan feneca (sp?)
30 is not old for an OLineman.......  
Simms11 : 3/13/2018 9:10 pm : link
they can play into their mid 30s in most cases. Heís an average LT, but he could add some stability to the position for a few years.

wow  
mdc1 : 3/13/2018 9:25 pm : link
can we get any younger?

seriously
RE: Again meh  
Rover : 3/13/2018 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13862821 Joey in VA said:
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Not worth the $ it will take.

Agreed. Heís better as a Pat than any other team.
PFT ranked him the 30th best tackle.
Does anybody remember the undersized center  
big canoe jeff : 3/13/2018 9:46 pm : link
That Boisture said was mean as a snake?
RE: Giants absolutely need a LT  
Rory : 3/13/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13863085 Vanzetti said:
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If they have to overpay, so be it.


1000% agree , especially if your planning to draft a franchise QB for the future

Also this moves Flowers to guard or RT which could be a second huge addition to the line
Seen a lot of Pats games.....  
Doomster : 3/13/2018 10:00 pm : link
Not sold on overpaying for Solder....by the time this team is ready to really compete for a SB, he will be too old....

We need building blocks to start with, not blocks that will need to be replaced in a season or two...

This team will make moves that make you scratch your head, like re-signing Herz and cutting DRC......I feel Gettleman is trying to go middle of the road instead of a full rebuild...

So be it....so long as the end justifies the means......
Seen a lot of Pats games.....  
Doomster : 3/13/2018 10:01 pm : link
Not sold on overpaying for Solder....by the time this team is ready to really compete for a SB, he will be too old....

We need building blocks to start with, not blocks that will need to be replaced in a season or two...

This team will make moves that make you scratch your head, like re-signing Herz and cutting DRC......I feel Gettleman is trying to go middle of the road instead of a full rebuild...

So be it....so long as the end justifies the means......
RE: Seen a lot of Pats games.....  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/13/2018 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13863511 Doomster said:
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Not sold on overpaying for Solder....by the time this team is ready to really compete for a SB, he will be too old....

We need building blocks to start with, not blocks that will need to be replaced in a season or two...

This team will make moves that make you scratch your head, like re-signing Herz and cutting DRC......I feel Gettleman is trying to go middle of the road instead of a full rebuild...

So be it....so long as the end justifies the means......


Bingo, heís nowhere near as good as the money heís going to get for a 30 year old. Hard pass on Solder
I wonder if they are in part driving Solder price up to get Flemming  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2018 10:04 pm : link
or possibly just hoping to get 1 or the other. It would seem likely they are in on both of them.
RE: Does anybody remember the undersized center  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2018 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13863482 big canoe jeff said:
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That Boisture said was mean as a snake?


Ben Fricke was the center he was talking about. He said he was tough as a boot and would choke you to death.
Yea  
big canoe jeff : 3/13/2018 10:24 pm : link
And cut in camp
Thx
RE: RE: Seen a lot of Pats games.....  
TheVette : 3/13/2018 11:55 pm : link
In comment 13863514 BigBlue4You09 said:
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Not sold on overpaying for Solder....by the time this team is ready to really compete for a SB, he will be too old....


Bingo, heís nowhere near as good as the money heís going to get for a 30 year old. Hard pass on Solder


The guy to sign was Norwell - could have gotten another 10 years out of him. Solder has already played the best he will ever play. At 30, he's not the guy to be signing. Reminds me of the same backward ass thinking when Reese cut ties with 24 year-old, SB champion, emerging star Linvale Joseph, and opted to go with older, less talented, and useless vets like Jenkins and Patterson.
do you people even understand how free agency works?  
blueblood : 3/13/2018 11:58 pm : link
that the player can actually CHOOSE to go anywhere they want to??
RE: RE: RE: Seen a lot of Pats games.....  
blueblood : 3/14/2018 12:00 am : link
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In comment 13863511 Doomster said:


Not sold on overpaying for Solder....by the time this team is ready to really compete for a SB, he will be too old....


Bingo, heís nowhere near as good as the money heís going to get for a 30 year old. Hard pass on Solder



The guy to sign was Norwell - could have gotten another 10 years out of him. Solder has already played the best he will ever play. At 30, he's not the guy to be signing. Reminds me of the same backward ass thinking when Reese cut ties with 24 year-old, SB champion, emerging star Linvale Joseph, and opted to go with older, less talented, and useless vets like Jenkins and Patterson.


funny how last year everyone wanted Whitworth who was five years older.. now we dont want a younger player who has played on a championship team ??

this place just loses its mind on the offseason..
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TheVette : 3/14/2018 12:10 am : link
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funny how last year everyone wanted Whitworth who was five years older.. now we dont want a younger player who has played on a championship team ??

this place just loses its mind on the offseason..


What's really FUNNY is that you are comparing Solder, who has made ZERO Pro Bowls in 7 years to Whitworth who has been 1st Team All Pro and made 5 Pro Bowls. Comparing an apple to a quashed orange, but if you think you must...
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blueblood : 3/14/2018 12:13 am : link
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funny how last year everyone wanted Whitworth who was five years older.. now we dont want a younger player who has played on a championship team ??

this place just loses its mind on the offseason..



What's really FUNNY is that you are comparing Solder, who has made ZERO Pro Bowls in 7 years to Whitworth who has been 1st Team All Pro and made 5 Pro Bowls. Comparing an apple to a quashed orange, but if you think you must...


sorry but pro bowls dont really mean much to me..

here is the reality.. there isnt much talent in free agency. Solder like it or not is the best tackle out there. The Giants made an offer to Norwell. he chose another team. Thats how it works.. Just like you can chose another place of employment.. so can they.. fans just dont seem to able to deal with the fact that someone didnt chose THEIR team..
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TheVette : 3/14/2018 12:25 am : link
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What's really FUNNY is that you are comparing Solder, who has made ZERO Pro Bowls in 7 years to Whitworth who has been 1st Team All Pro and made 5 Pro Bowls. Comparing an apple to a quashed orange, but if you think you must...



sorry but pro bowls dont really mean much to me..

here is the reality.. there isnt much talent in free agency. Solder like it or not is the best tackle out there. The Giants made an offer to Norwell. he chose another team. Thats how it works.. Just like you can chose another place of employment.. so can they.. fans just dont seem to able to deal with the fact that someone didnt chose THEIR team..


Pro Bowls don;t mean much is easy to say when a guy blocking for Tom Brady has not made 1 in 7 years. Just because you do not get your guy Norwell means that you turn around and overpay for a less productive, older, and inferior player. What fans get - and apparently you do not - is that you do not take a FA snub and compound the issue by trying to make up for it. See decision to pass on 24 year old Linvale Joseph and knee-jerk older, less talented Mike Patterson and Cullen Jenkins
Thevette  
jtgiants : 3/14/2018 12:32 am : link
Go watch the tape of the Superbowl. Solder is solid. Not great but solid. If say he's between the 8th and 12th best left tackle in football. On a four year deal that expires at his age 33 is all good
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est1986 : 3/14/2018 1:13 am : link
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I bet he strikes out again



Youíre the worst



Truth hurts, doesnít it? Wait until you see how bad he fucks up the draft.



Hopefully youíll be banned by then. Whiny little bitch troll


Whatís got your panties bunched up new guy? Whatever it is, I am sure you can get over it & keep scrolling on...

Dave G couldnít get the top head coach he wanted or top tier free agents he wanted/needed for the OL... facts. Didnít like the Dave G hire and thatís not going to change until he makes some good moves.. havenít seen any yet. Itís a shame how such a poor OL a year ago looks to only be getting worse now...

Donít like the Ogletree trade...
Donít like the DRC cut...
Herzlich...?
Greco...?
Stewart...?
Are you for real?
Itís early, yeah, but so far, no bueno...
RE: Thevette  
TheVette : 3/14/2018 1:17 am : link
In comment 13863691 jtgiants said:
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Go watch the tape of the Superbowl. Solder is solid. Not great but solid. If say he's between the 8th and 12th best left tackle in football. On a four year deal that expires at his age 33 is all good


I'm not saying he's bad - just not worth the $15M/year he may command. if there was no cap - sure, but are you saying you would give him a 4yr/$56M-$60M deal? I would not go there at all.
Thevette  
jtgiants : 3/14/2018 2:20 am : link
I'm saying he's a top 8 to 12 LT. That's a major upgrade from flowers. Unfortunately that's the going rate. He'll help
Vette, certainly entitled to your opinion but  
George from PA : 3/14/2018 6:03 am : link
Solder's market value IS what he is worth. If someone is willing to pay him.

Now, if you feel that it is a mistaken in judgement by he team, maybe.

Desperate times leads to desperate measures.

The Giants have Wheeler as our only LT prospect.

Solder might cause a domino effect across entire OL. Solder solidifies LT,which allows others to go to better fitting positions. Win/win
Who cares about the money?  
Big Rick in FL : 3/14/2018 6:09 am : link
It's not yours. There are always ways to make cap space. The Eagles were 9 million over the cap and have signed 2 free agents so far plus traded for Michael Bennett.
Down To Giants & Texans  
pa_giant_fan : 3/14/2018 7:11 am : link
Per Ian Rapoport. Which means he'll go back to NE
Solder at LT & moving Flowers to guard..  
Sean : 3/14/2018 7:18 am : link
hopefully could really improve this line.
Going forward  
AdamBrag : 3/14/2018 7:31 am : link
Solder is likely a slightly below average left tackle. That's a huge upgrade for us, no doubt, but paying him as the top left tackle in football will make it really tight on our cap space. Signing Solder could be similar to when we signed JPP last year.
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