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Former Panthers' RB Jonathan Stewart is expected to sign with the New York Giants, per source. Rejoins his former Panthers' OC Mike Shula in NY.
I get the love for Darkwa, easy to root for. I liked him too.
But keep in mind what Coach Shurmur said about strongly preferring running backs who can catch. Darkwa is not that guy. Stewart is a power back, who also catches the ball well. He had a career high 47 receptions in 2011.
Of course, like Darkwa, he has missed a lot of time to injury.
Somebody explain to me why the Giants signed Stewart ?
I hope that this signing does not limit the money available to sign a lineman or that it precludes drafting a running back
It likely costs next to nothing. Adds a veteran presence to a room who's eldest player would be Paul Perkins. And gives us a short yardage option now that Darkwa is going to get paid in FA.
I get the love for Darkwa, easy to root for. I liked him too.
But keep in mind what Coach Shurmur said about strongly preferring running backs who can catch. Darkwa is not that guy. Stewart is a power back, who also catches the ball well. He had a career high 47 receptions in 2011.
Of course, like Darkwa, he has missed a lot of time to injury.
2011 was a long time ago my friend. Stewart is 31 now, and has a ton of miles on his tires. Just don't see the reason why a re-building team would make a move like this.
I get the love for Darkwa, easy to root for. I liked him too.
But keep in mind what Coach Shurmur said about strongly preferring running backs who can catch. Darkwa is not that guy. Stewart is a power back, who also catches the ball well. He had a career high 47 receptions in 2011.
Of course, like Darkwa, he has missed a lot of time to injury.
2011 was a long time ago my friend. Stewart is 31 now, and has a ton of miles on his tires. Just don't see the reason why a re-building team would make a move like this.
Very true, but I bet he can still catch.
I think Stewart is just a temporary, stabilization signing. I have no idea if he is a good locker room guy, but it certainly can't hurt to have a vet RB in the locker room who is on good terms with GM and OC. I still think the Giants get a running back in the draft.
signing. Obviously a lot of tread on the tires but if we get Barkley or an early round RB, it's not like he's going to be getting a ton of carries. Stewart is one of the best guys in the NFL. Same with Ogletree. Guys that actually give a fuck about playing
They'll be 90 guys on this roster to start. Let's see who's on
the roster to start the season before we panic. Good short yardage back and runs with an attitude. Let's see what happens. Darkwa probably wants a bankload and he's no Pro Bowler.
which is a good move. Draft is deep, Gallman is interesting, Perkins may be a good reclamation project. Needed to add some veteran depth just to be safe.
Im going to reserve my disgust until I see the number, but it doesnt sit well that they even consumed any of their attention with this out of the gate.
Im going to reserve my disgust until I see the number, but it doesnt sit well that they even consumed any of their attention with this out of the gate.
Old, declining, injury prone - checks all the boxes.
Doesn't appear much of anything has changed here.
Not the start I was hoping for here - but I'll give Gettleman a bit more time before I jump off a cliff.
Especially with the fantastic OLine we have up front.
We're going to be laughing our asses off alot this season, both at the team and the select few 'fans' on here that wanted to go this route. Hope they're happy.
I dont think it would preclude picking Barkley if hes available
we have in the stable right now. He will be good as as pass protection. and he's not being brought here to get all the snaps. still think they draft a rb. Link 2016 2017 season highlights - ( New Window )
Does a guy like Stewart really need to be on a bad team rebuilding? And, assuming the NYG lose the Solder sweepstakes, which dumpsters will DG look in for solutions for the worst OL in football?
Our RBs have been terrible at the fundamentals of the position and cannot pass block to save their lives.
Hell be a solid vet presence and mentor. He can still pound it in short yardage situations. Hell get maybe 10 carries a game, if that. He also is likely an aid to Shula in implementing the run side of the offense.
and a decent draft pick - that's not a bad stable.
Now for that small matter of getting them some effective blockers.
It's actually pretty bad. Gallman is the only player with NFL-level talent of the 3. Stewart is fried like an egg, and Perkins will be the Arena League in another year.
was always viewed as a likely signing by means of BBI vision. Undrafted FA - so this will be his biggest payday - never thought they had a realistic chance of getting him.
Good signing, great signing if its on the cheap. Can catch the football, pass protect well and will get the tough yards on third down. Bye Darkwa..... who couldnt catch and that doesnt fit our offensive scheme.
DG: Andrew, its Dave here. Wed like to sign you for x amount for 5 years.
Norwell: Sorry, buddy. I know you gave me my first contract, but Jacksonville is my choice.
WTF is DG supposed to do? Beg?
Are you saying that being spurned by Norwell meana that DG needs to "Make up for it" by signing Stewart? How are bout Dion Lewis? How about McKinnon? Number of teams DG outbid to land Stewart and Herzlich = 0
DG: Andrew, its Dave here. Wed like to sign you for x amount for 5 years.
Norwell: Sorry, buddy. I know you gave me my first contract, but Jacksonville is my choice.
WTF is DG supposed to do? Beg?
Are you saying that being spurned by Norwell meana that DG needs to "Make up for it" by signing Stewart? How are bout Dion Lewis? How about McKinnon? Number of teams DG outbid to land Stewart and Herzlich = 0
im glad they didnt get mckinnon or lewis...why spend big dollars there with this draft class coming up next month? i 100% wouldnt sign either
This is a simple move to improve the Locker Room atmosphere and for Stewart to bring Leadership to the RB group Barkley(TBD)+Gallman+Stewart
Locker room leadership only counts of the guy has any talent. Hire Stewart as RB coach, hire Herzlich as ST coach, but don't "pay" them to play, because neither one can.
An old running back who's no longer...good at being a running back? Anything more than the minimum and this is just dumb. Actually, even at the minimum this is dumb.
30 old RB with a ton of miles for a 3 win team ahead of a draft deep at RB.
Agreed. Why? Please don't tell me about the need for a "veteran presence." This is puzzling at best. He's 30 with tons of miles.
Stewart is the type of guy who would be there weeks from now - why start with him (and Herzlich)? Did DG think he needed to be bold and outbid to get these 2 guys on Day 1?
You guys are getting too worked up about a signing that is probably
Near the vet minimum. Clearly DG doesnt think the guy is done. I could see your points if this is all he does this month. But its not a crime to sign a vet back whos a hard runner, a good blocker, and a mentor in the locker room.
He could certainly be that short yardage and goal line back. The guy to push the pile and also get a few carries during the game. Hes not going to be a starter. I think hes got a role however. Regardless of whether the Giants draft another RB in Apr or not, this move was needed for that RB room.
He had a60 yard run against the Vikes last year and also had 6 TDs. I think hell be effective in a role.
Jennings was about the same age but didn't have the mileage. Plus he could catch.
As for the veteran stuff - if there's one position on the field where you don't need experience it's RB. Guys come in day one and play the position at a high level.
I think when you sign a RB and the best things people are finding to say about him have nothing to do with actually carrying the football, you probably haven't signed a very good player.
Leadership and blocking are great. But they're worth little if the player doesn't do his primary job well.
Stewart has a ton of milage on him, he's had a lot of injuries - just three full seasons in a decade of being in the league - and is now 30 years old.
I'm not even sure we'll even get the type of year we got from Jennings in 2015.
More than any other position, RB is one that you can absolutely get in rounds 2-3-4 if you do your homework.
The Giants don't seem to have lost their fetish for splitting RB carries between six different backs. Hate that too. Just give the guy the ball and let him have a game.
Deangelo Williams for a complete Panther RB reunion on the Giants. I don't see Pat Shurmer involved in this process. Doubtful he would agree to old wheels Stewart. Draft RB's, don't sign old guys.
Deangelo Williams for a complete Panther RB reunion on the Giants. I don't see Pat Shurmer involved in this process. Doubtful he would agree to old wheels Stewart. Draft RB's, don't sign old guys.
Don't hold your breath.
DW is not a fan of Dave Gettleman.. to put things lightly.
RE: I really, really don't understand paying free agent money to RBs
More than any other position, RB is one that you can absolutely get in rounds 2-3-4 if you do your homework.
The Giants don't seem to have lost their fetish for splitting RB carries between six different backs. Hate that too. Just give the guy the ball and let him have a game.
Hes here to teach the system and teach pass protection to the rookie we draft this year. Come on fellas we need someone to teach the rook!! Perkins will be cut before the season. Rookie + Gallman + Stewart
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Former Panthers' RB Jonathan Stewart is expected to sign with the New York Giants, per source. Rejoins his former Panthers' OC Mike Shula in NY.
This is a pretty major signing...
I guess he can help his O coordinator.
I guess he can help his O coordinator.
I LOLed on that one.😁😅🤣
Breezey: you should be happy we're not likely to go after Lewis or McKinnon.
I stand corrected. Feel free to edit the thread title.
Somebody explain to me why the Giants signed Stewart ?
I hope that this signing does not limit the money available to sign a lineman or that it precludes drafting a running back
If you think this signing means the Giants dont draft Barkley if hes available at 2, your are a tremendous idiot.
But keep in mind what Coach Shurmur said about strongly preferring running backs who can catch. Darkwa is not that guy. Stewart is a power back, who also catches the ball well. He had a career high 47 receptions in 2011.
Of course, like Darkwa, he has missed a lot of time to injury.
Somebody explain to me why the Giants signed Stewart ?
I hope that this signing does not limit the money available to sign a lineman or that it precludes drafting a running back
It likely costs next to nothing. Adds a veteran presence to a room who's eldest player would be Paul Perkins. And gives us a short yardage option now that Darkwa is going to get paid in FA.
He looks like he has a little bit of juice left in the tank. Not the worst option as an RB2/depth guy in case the starter goes down.
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Ten years at RB is typically a long time already. Wear on tyres.
That said, if he's healthy ,can pass pro and catch?
But keep in mind what Coach Shurmur said about strongly preferring running backs who can catch. Darkwa is not that guy. Stewart is a power back, who also catches the ball well. He had a career high 47 receptions in 2011.
Of course, like Darkwa, he has missed a lot of time to injury.
2011 was a long time ago my friend. Stewart is 31 now, and has a ton of miles on his tires. Just don't see the reason why a re-building team would make a move like this.
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I get the love for Darkwa, easy to root for. I liked him too.
But keep in mind what Coach Shurmur said about strongly preferring running backs who can catch. Darkwa is not that guy. Stewart is a power back, who also catches the ball well. He had a career high 47 receptions in 2011.
Of course, like Darkwa, he has missed a lot of time to injury.
2011 was a long time ago my friend. Stewart is 31 now, and has a ton of miles on his tires. Just don't see the reason why a re-building team would make a move like this.
Very true, but I bet he can still catch.
I think Stewart is just a temporary, stabilization signing. I have no idea if he is a good locker room guy, but it certainly can't hurt to have a vet RB in the locker room who is on good terms with GM and OC. I still think the Giants get a running back in the draft.
Breezey: you should be happy we're not likely to go after Lewis or McKinnon.
That's exactly how I see this too. As long as it's not for a lot of money (which I doubt it is) I'm good with with it.
We are not going to be signing guys that are going to blow away the spot and it's theirs for the taking, most likely.
Stewart can have a role on this team if he's patched up his health.
I think when they didn't get Norwell. The Chances of going with went out the window
Im going to reserve my disgust until I see the number, but it doesnt sit well that they even consumed any of their attention with this out of the gate.
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Awful.
Im going to reserve my disgust until I see the number, but it doesnt sit well that they even consumed any of their attention with this out of the gate.
Old, declining, injury prone - checks all the boxes.
Doesn't appear much of anything has changed here.
Not the start I was hoping for here - but I'll give Gettleman a bit more time before I jump off a cliff.
Especially with the fantastic OLine we have up front.
We're going to be laughing our asses off alot this season, both at the team and the select few 'fans' on here that wanted to go this route. Hope they're happy.
Wasnt true yesterday. Still untrue today.
Knows the system too.
How this could be there first signing of a veteran off another team given there problems that I don't get.
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The difference is Blount is better.
Breezey: you should be happy we're not likely to go after Lewis or McKinnon.
Confirmation bias is wild these days
Now for that small matter of getting them some effective blockers.
Lousy day for DG - didn't earn a dime of whatever Mara is paying him. Fell back on 2 guys who no one else would have signed.
Hell be a solid vet presence and mentor. He can still pound it in short yardage situations. Hell get maybe 10 carries a game, if that. He also is likely an aid to Shula in implementing the run side of the offense.
Now for that small matter of getting them some effective blockers.
It's actually pretty bad. Gallman is the only player with NFL-level talent of the 3. Stewart is fried like an egg, and Perkins will be the Arena League in another year.
Herzlich, certainly not a sexy move but new DC must have signed off on it. Must have a plan on how he'll use him.
Lousy day for DG - didn't earn a dime of whatever Mara is paying him. Fell back on 2 guys who no one else would have signed.
DG: Andrew, its Dave here. Wed like to sign you for x amount for 5 years.
Norwell: Sorry, buddy. I know you gave me my first contract, but Jacksonville is my choice.
WTF is DG supposed to do? Beg?
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Stewart is a power back, who also catches the ball well. He had a career high 47 receptions in 2011.
Very true, but I bet he can still catch.
He had 36 targets the last two years and caught only 16 of them. That is awful for a RB. Beyond bad. So, I really don't think he is much of receiver.
Exactly. Until we know the numbers, judging the signing is impossible.
I don't think anyone can figure out what it is yet.
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And Blount and everybody wants Blount hes just as good in that role .....
The difference is Blount is better.
They may have. Theres also gonna be more than one RB used. Giants also lacked a power back. Not done adding to the position either.
My guess is hell be dumpster diving for OL help by Thursday or Friday.
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DG: Andrew, its Dave here. Wed like to sign you for x amount for 5 years.
Norwell: Sorry, buddy. I know you gave me my first contract, but Jacksonville is my choice.
WTF is DG supposed to do? Beg?
Are you saying that being spurned by Norwell meana that DG needs to "Make up for it" by signing Stewart? How are bout Dion Lewis? How about McKinnon? Number of teams DG outbid to land Stewart and Herzlich = 0
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DG: Andrew, its Dave here. Wed like to sign you for x amount for 5 years.
Norwell: Sorry, buddy. I know you gave me my first contract, but Jacksonville is my choice.
WTF is DG supposed to do? Beg?
Are you saying that being spurned by Norwell meana that DG needs to "Make up for it" by signing Stewart? How are bout Dion Lewis? How about McKinnon? Number of teams DG outbid to land Stewart and Herzlich = 0
im glad they didnt get mckinnon or lewis...why spend big dollars there with this draft class coming up next month? i 100% wouldnt sign either
It's not just a veteran presence, he's a beacon in a locker room.
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Quote:where is Reese when we need him...lol
are you? Give him the benefit of the doubt ?
My guess is hell be dumpster diving for OL help by Thursday or Friday.
Locker room leadership only counts of the guy has any talent. Hire Stewart as RB coach, hire Herzlich as ST coach, but don't "pay" them to play, because neither one can.
Are you related to him by any chance?
Agreed. Why? Please don't tell me about the need for a "veteran presence." This is puzzling at best. He's 30 with tons of miles.
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30 old RB with a ton of miles for a 3 win team ahead of a draft deep at RB.
Agreed. Why? Please don't tell me about the need for a "veteran presence." This is puzzling at best. He's 30 with tons of miles.
Excuse me, 31.
30 old RB with a ton of miles for a 3 win team ahead of a draft deep at RB.
Agreed. Why? Please don't tell me about the need for a "veteran presence." This is puzzling at best. He's 30 with tons of miles.
Stewart is the type of guy who would be there weeks from now - why start with him (and Herzlich)? Did DG think he needed to be bold and outbid to get these 2 guys on Day 1?
Agree - this signing makes zero sense. His 3.4 ypc will drop to under 2.0 behind this Giants OL
He had a60 yard run against the Vikes last year and also had 6 TDs. I think hell be effective in a role.
As for the veteran stuff - if there's one position on the field where you don't need experience it's RB. Guys come in day one and play the position at a high level.
Leadership and blocking are great. But they're worth little if the player doesn't do his primary job well.
Stewart has a ton of milage on him, he's had a lot of injuries - just three full seasons in a decade of being in the league - and is now 30 years old.
I'm not even sure we'll even get the type of year we got from Jennings in 2015.
I dont get this move. This isnt a team that is a veteran RB away from a SB. Not the end of the world, but an odd allocation of resources.
More than any other position, RB is one that you can absolutely get in rounds 2-3-4 if you do your homework.
The Giants don't seem to have lost their fetish for splitting RB carries between six different backs. Hate that too. Just give the guy the ball and let him have a game.
Don't hold your breath.
DW is not a fan of Dave Gettleman.. to put things lightly.
More than any other position, RB is one that you can absolutely get in rounds 2-3-4 if you do your homework.
The Giants don't seem to have lost their fetish for splitting RB carries between six different backs. Hate that too. Just give the guy the ball and let him have a game.
Hes here to teach the system and teach pass protection to the rookie we draft this year. Come on fellas we need someone to teach the rook!! Perkins will be cut before the season. Rookie + Gallman + Stewart