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I think BUF is going hard for QB Josh Allen

Sy'56 : 3/13/2018 8:49 pm
Disclaimer....I am not a gossip guy, don't claim to have any legit, hard inside information. I do get to talk to scouts and former scouts with contacts...but my scouting mentor always reminds me, the scouts rarely ever know what a team is going to do.

That said..ever since the combine, where Josh Allen stole the show, BUF has been more and more aggressive with their quest getting towards the top of the draft. They want a tough kid that can handle the weather (it's much worse than what we have here in NY/NJ and it DOES impact pro athletes). They want a big and strong guy. They want someone with less ego and more plain/old fashion love for football. Connecting a few dots, I think they are going to go all in on trying to get Allen. Potentially #12, #22, 2019 1st, and #53 (2nd), #65 (3rd).

That still leaves them with a 2nd and 3rd this year. So they have the ammo to get in to the top 5 if need be. If NYJ keeps signing QBs and DEN seems set on Keenum long term, the odds of BUF having to trade up to #2 for Allen is a little far fetched, but still possible.
That would be some haul  
McNally's_Nuts : 3/13/2018 8:52 pm : link
if it happened!
If I read correctly here on bbi, the NYJ QBís are on 1 year deals?  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 8:52 pm : link
Iíd think theyíre still in on looking at the draft for a potential long term solution.
If they really want him  
big canoe jeff : 3/13/2018 8:54 pm : link
Want more this year in returns
Do you think Cleveland draft a QB at 1? Or Barkley?  
George from PA : 3/13/2018 8:55 pm : link
Will they want to move up from 4?
Bills may want Allen  
81_Great_Dane : 3/13/2018 8:55 pm : link
but it doesn't look like he can play QB in 2018. Taylor's gone - if they get Allen, who's the "bridge" QB? They were a playoff team last season, they're probably not going to be content taking a big step back. They need someone who can at least keep the train moving.
Itís still  
mattyblue : 3/13/2018 8:56 pm : link
a long way to move up. I think they are just trying to get in range to take one of the quarterbacks. Allen could go 1 to Cleveland. They canít be making these moves this early if itís only for one QB.
I think Dave Te  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2018 8:56 pm : link
Compared Josh Allen to Jim Kelly
I Would Not Mind  
Bob in Vt : 3/13/2018 8:56 pm : link
Allen being our pick at #2.
Good, and I hope Cleveland is paying attention  
SHO'NUFF : 3/13/2018 8:57 pm : link
if Allen is their guy. Don't F around with the #1 pick. Get your guy or someone else will.
I think a trade with Indy  
Eman11 : 3/13/2018 8:57 pm : link
Is more likely.

Cleve - Darnold
Giants - Barkley

Leaving Indy with the prime spot for teams looking to trade up for the next QB. Not saying the Giants aren't a possibility,it's just that I think Indy is a better possibility for a trade back with Buffalo.
RE: I think Dave Te  
mattyblue : 3/13/2018 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13863390 Reb8thVA said:
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Compared Josh Allen to Jim Kelly


Indeed he did, he had high praise for him.
You reading my mind Sy?  
nflscouting : 3/13/2018 8:59 pm : link
Oh boy, you are right & at #3 to boot. They are in deep talks with Indy, offering #12, their second #1 & a 2 & 3. Indy has keen interest in Chubb, but with holes at OT & OG, I am hearing they are in a wait & see mode about trading with the Bills. Reason? The Giants. If they let Nelson slip out, Ballard has him tops on his board & will snatch him at 3 in an instant.
On the lower end FA side;
One vet the Giants are in on is the Rams Connor Barwin, but he has offers from the Raiders & Chargers. The Jets were trying to get the Eagles Beau Allen in, but doubt they can match Detroit's offer, a shade higher than Jacksonville's.
Even with Keenum, Elway indicates #5 is reserved for a QB & he's offered Siemian to NE for a six-pack
I think Buffalo  
Sammo85 : 3/13/2018 8:59 pm : link
is willing to trade up for any of the big three.

More and more Iím willing to trade back if itís a good haul. Itís sounding as if the Giants truly are not married to keeping the pick.

I think  
Sammo85 : 3/13/2018 9:01 pm : link
the Colts would take Barkley at 3.
Since this  
mrvax : 3/13/2018 9:02 pm : link
hypothetical deal includes their 2019 1st rounder, you have to think about it. Unless the Giants are high on a QB...
That  
AcidTest : 3/13/2018 9:04 pm : link
would be an incredible haul. I have to admit, I'd be tempted.
Connor Barwin  
SHO'NUFF : 3/13/2018 9:05 pm : link
another player the Giants want years too late.
I still lean CLE  
Sy'56 : 3/13/2018 9:06 pm : link
taking Barkley at 1. QB at 4.

UNLESS they have one graded a lot higher than others. Which is always possible.
Great insight and info from The Daves  
ij_reilly : 3/13/2018 9:07 pm : link
Thanks!
indy not getting Bills pick Now pipe dream maybe draft day  
big canoe jeff : 3/13/2018 9:08 pm : link

No way Connor Barwin signing with Giants
RE: I think  
Sy'56 : 3/13/2018 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13863402 Sammo85 said:
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the Colts would take Barkley at 3.


Hearing no interest there. They want Nelson/Chubb
RE: I still lean CLE  
Sammo85 : 3/13/2018 9:09 pm : link
In comment 13863411 Sy'56 said:
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taking Barkley at 1. QB at 4.

UNLESS they have one graded a lot higher than others. Which is always possible.


Sy,

If youíre the Giants and decide to trade out of 2 for a Bills package, who would you target with our bounty of picks in the first few rounds?
Baker Mayfield  
BigBlue1013 : 3/13/2018 9:11 pm : link
He's the QB I feel they are trying to get
RE: RE: I still lean CLE  
Sy'56 : 3/13/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13863420 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 13863411 Sy'56 said:


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taking Barkley at 1. QB at 4.

UNLESS they have one graded a lot higher than others. Which is always possible.



Sy,

If youíre the Giants and decide to trade out of 2 for a Bills package, who would you target with our bounty of picks in the first few rounds?


Hard to tell...this draft gets a little dicey outside of the top 5-6 guys. You hope someone slips....but...dangerous game. Can't get too cute with trading down...more picks does not always been better result.

CB Ward, OL Williams, WR Gallup, LB Evans, OT McGlinchey
So if the Bills  
big canoe jeff : 3/13/2018 9:17 pm : link
trade a bunch of their picks to Indy not knowing who the Giants are taking @ 2 for pick 3 hoping their guy is there correct? Not!!
RE: I still lean CLE  
Eman11 : 3/13/2018 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13863411 Sy'56 said:
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taking Barkley at 1. QB at 4.

UNLESS they have one graded a lot higher than others. Which is always possible.


I could see that if they were sure the Giants wouldn't take a QB, and Indy wouldn't trade their pick to a team who wanted a QB.

IMO, they can't risk passing on a QB at 1 and settling on the 3rd QB. No way they have all 3-4 QBs rated the same. Maybe they'd have two rated real close but not three, and can't risk those two being gone. Especially with passing on the QBs they have in the past couple of drafts. Different regime but they can't make the same mistake.
RE: So if the Bills  
Sy'56 : 3/13/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13863436 big canoe jeff said:
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trade a bunch of their picks to Indy not knowing who the Giants are taking @ 2 for pick 3 hoping their guy is there correct? Not!!


Would likely be a draft night trade
So, you feel Barkley goes one.  
George from PA : 3/13/2018 9:30 pm : link
Bills trade a slew of picks to move into 3 for Allen. So

Giants draft......Darnold?
Glad the Giants have the 2nd pick then  
rasbutant : 3/13/2018 9:33 pm : link
1 would be better.

I think Allen is going to be the best of this bunch.
imagine this  
Pep22 : 3/13/2018 9:35 pm : link
#12 LB Roquan Smith
#22 OT Connor Williams
#34 CB Carlton Davis
#53 (2nd) OG Austin Corbett
#65 (3rd) S Jesse Bates
#66 OT Alex Cappa
#102 DE Marquisse Haynes
#139 RB/TE Dimitri Flowers

+ a 2019 1st
Still think Cleveland can't risk their QB is there at 4....  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2018 9:35 pm : link
so thy'll lock down Darnold at 1. Then with a run on QBs, Barkley could be sitting there at 4.
The  
mattyblue : 3/13/2018 9:36 pm : link
Giants are going to draft a QB at 2. They really need to.
Rosen  
Peppers : 3/13/2018 9:39 pm : link
Galko was the first to bring it to the table but everyone has been saying Beane wants Rosen for a few months now..
RE: So, you feel Barkley goes one.  
Sy'56 : 3/13/2018 9:45 pm : link
In comment 13863457 George from PA said:
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Bills trade a slew of picks to move into 3 for Allen. So

Giants draft......Darnold?


Nelson or Chubb
RE: imagine this  
Sy'56 : 3/13/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13863466 Pep22 said:
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#12 LB Roquan Smith
#22 OT Connor Williams
#34 CB Carlton Davis
#53 (2nd) OG Austin Corbett
#65 (3rd) S Jesse Bates
#66 OT Alex Cappa
#102 DE Marquisse Haynes
#139 RB/TE Dimitri Flowers

+ a 2019 1st


Smith doesn't really make sense with Ogletree
RE: imagine this  
mrvax : 3/13/2018 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13863466 Pep22 said:
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#12 LB Roquan Smith
#22 OT Connor Williams
#34 CB Carlton Davis
#53 (2nd) OG Austin Corbett
#65 (3rd) S Jesse Bates
#66 OT Alex Cappa
#102 DE Marquisse Haynes
#139 RB/TE Dimitri Flowers

+ a 2019 1st


If only Eli was 30. Hella haul.
Wow......bbi will busy.  
George from PA : 3/13/2018 9:51 pm : link
If that is the case, then I would trade down with Cleveland...if we get their 2s or next year 1
RE: RE: imagine this  
DonnieD89 : 3/13/2018 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13863483 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13863466 Pep22 said:


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#12 LB Roquan Smith
#22 OT Connor Williams
#34 CB Carlton Davis
#53 (2nd) OG Austin Corbett
#65 (3rd) S Jesse Bates
#66 OT Alex Cappa
#102 DE Marquisse Haynes
#139 RB/TE Dimitri Flowers

+ a 2019 1st



Smith doesn't really make sense with Ogletree


How about adding Darius Guiese at 12 or 22?
At the rate the Giants are  
Dnew15 : 3/13/2018 10:02 pm : link
Cutting vets and missing out on key FA we think they wanted to sign- I think they are going to forced into trading back... they are going to need to field an NFL roster which at this point looks bleak.
If I had to guess the draft  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 10:05 pm : link
1. Browns- Darnold
2. Giants- Rosen
3. Colts- Chubb
4. Browns- Barkley
5. Bills (Trade)- Allen
6. Jets- Mayfield
7. Bucs- Fitzpatrick
8. Bears- Nelson
9. 49ers- Davenport
10. Raiders- Roquan Smith
11. Dolphins- Vita Vea
12. Broncos- Calvin Ridley
13. Redskins- Edmunds
14. Packers- Denzel Ward
15. Cardinals- McGlinchey
RE: If I had to guess the draft  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2018 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13863521 Breeze_94 said:
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1. Browns- Darnold
2. Giants- Rosen
3. Colts- Chubb
4. Browns- Barkley
5. Bills (Trade)- Allen
6. Jets- Mayfield
7. Bucs- Fitzpatrick
8. Bears- Nelson
9. 49ers- Davenport
10. Raiders- Roquan Smith
11. Dolphins- Vita Vea
12. Broncos- Calvin Ridley
13. Redskins- Edmunds
14. Packers- Denzel Ward
15. Cardinals- McGlinchey


I agree. Browns really going to win the lottery big by getting Darnold plus Barkley.
RE: At the rate the Giants are  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13863515 Dnew15 said:
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Cutting vets and missing out on key FA we think they wanted to sign- I think they are going to forced into trading back... they are going to need to field an NFL roster which at this point looks bleak.


It's not in the Giants DNA to trade back.
I agree - they donít do it often at all...  
Dnew15 : 3/13/2018 10:30 pm : link
BUT - this roster will be chock full of veteran JAGS for the foreseeable future if they donít find a way to infuse more young talent and quick...
RE: RE: At the rate the Giants are  
WillVAB : 3/13/2018 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13863532 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13863515 Dnew15 said:


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Cutting vets and missing out on key FA we think they wanted to sign- I think they are going to forced into trading back... they are going to need to field an NFL roster which at this point looks bleak.



It's not in the Giants DNA to trade back.


I wouldnít say that for non Reese drafts. Accorsi traded down in Ď06 and took Kiwi.
RE: I agree - they donít do it often at all...  
WillVAB : 3/13/2018 11:06 pm : link
In comment 13863560 Dnew15 said:
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BUT - this roster will be chock full of veteran JAGS for the foreseeable future if they donít find a way to infuse more young talent and quick...


Agree. The Giants need top end picks and they need to commit to the trenches. Attack OL and DL in the draft. They get the right guys and theyíll be right back in the mix.

Look at what Philly has done. Theyíve pumped and continue to pump a lot of resources into their OL/DL. Itís not sexy but thatís what wins games.
RE: RE: At the rate the Giants are  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2018 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13863532 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13863515 Dnew15 said:


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Cutting vets and missing out on key FA we think they wanted to sign- I think they are going to forced into trading back... they are going to need to field an NFL roster which at this point looks bleak.



It's not in the Giants DNA to trade back.


It's not often they have the number 2 pick either. The only team I see them trading back with is Cleveland. If they can get Nelson. If they feel Indy wants Nelson they will probably just draft him. Otherwise they will trade backs with The Browns and get the Guard.
RE: So if the Bills  
FranknWeezer : 3/13/2018 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13863436 big canoe jeff said:
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trade a bunch of their picks to Indy not knowing who the Giants are taking @ 2 for pick 3 hoping their guy is there correct? Not!!


That would remind me of what the Chargers did to us when they knew we covered Eli. They took him and made us pay them the farm for him. Conceivably, if Buf is set on Allen, we could take him and do the same.
RE: If I read correctly here on bbi, the NYJ QBís are on 1 year deals?  
fanofthejets : 3/13/2018 11:53 pm : link
In comment 13863382 The_Boss said:
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Iíd think theyíre still in on looking at the draft for a potential long term solution.


This is correct. And I don't think there's even a team option for year two for Bridgewater which goes to show you they really don't have super high hopes of him salvaging his career.

Jets wouldn't let Allen get past 6. Though they really have their heart set on Mayfield.
RE: imagine this  
NYSports1 : 3/13/2018 11:58 pm : link
In comment 13863466 Pep22 said:
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#12 LB Roquan Smith
#22 OT Connor Williams
#34 CB Carlton Davis
#53 (2nd) OG Austin Corbett
#65 (3rd) S Jesse Bates
#66 OT Alex Cappa
#102 DE Marquisse Haynes
#139 RB/TE Dimitri Flowers

+ a 2019 1st


OMG so awesome....Forget qb since we have a fosil playing now and Webb who could not musted first team reps in a 3-13 season....Yea am sure those picks will make this team great for 15 years
If Buffalo wants a QB  
blueblood : 3/14/2018 12:03 am : link
they need to be talking to the Giants.. not the Colts..

its going to be a long offseason.. thats for sure
RE: I Would Not Mind  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/14/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13863392 Bob in Vt said:
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Allen being our pick at #2.


If he passes muster on all other concerns for the FO, I would love that pick - it's the Jerry Reese in all of us to fall in love with the measurables, he's the jpp of qbs!
man not one comment about the thread title?!?  
GiantsLaw : 3/14/2018 9:03 am : link
lol
RE: RE: imagine this  
Pep22 : 3/14/2018 9:10 am : link
In comment 13863668 NYSports1 said:
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In comment 13863466 Pep22 said:


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#12 LB Roquan Smith
#22 OT Connor Williams
#34 CB Carlton Davis
#53 (2nd) OG Austin Corbett
#65 (3rd) S Jesse Bates
#66 OT Alex Cappa
#102 DE Marquisse Haynes
#139 RB/TE Dimitri Flowers

+ a 2019 1st



OMG so awesome....Forget qb since we have a fosil playing now and Webb who could not musted first team reps in a 3-13 season....Yea am sure those picks will make this team great for 15 years


I generally agree that if the NYG were two trade down, it would have to mean a) they had a strong conviction about Webb b) they were absolutely blown away w/ an offer to move down.

In terms of your tone, don't be a dick.
RE: RE: RE: imagine this  
Pep22 : 3/14/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 13863999 Pep22 said:
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In comment 13863668 NYSports1 said:


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In comment 13863466 Pep22 said:


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#12 LB Roquan Smith
#22 OT Connor Williams
#34 CB Carlton Davis
#53 (2nd) OG Austin Corbett
#65 (3rd) S Jesse Bates
#66 OT Alex Cappa
#102 DE Marquisse Haynes
#139 RB/TE Dimitri Flowers

+ a 2019 1st



OMG so awesome....Forget qb since we have a fosil playing now and Webb who could not musted first team reps in a 3-13 season....Yea am sure those picks will make this team great for 15 years



I generally agree that if the NYG were two trade down, it would have to mean a) they had a strong conviction about Webb b) they were absolutely blown away w/ an offer to move down.

In terms of your tone, don't be a dick.


Also, the correct spellings are FOSSIL and MUSTER. Furthermore, I don't put a lot of value in the playing time decisions by BM.
I want  
Jerry K : 3/14/2018 9:25 am : link
all those picks and I want David god damn Putney.
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