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adamg : 3/13/2018 10:23 pm
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The #Giants signed RB Jonathan Stewart to a 2-year deal worth $6.9M base, source said with $2.95M guaranteed. The max value is $8.4M for the former #Panthers star.
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Plan A - Norwell didn't work. Sky's not falling.  
GMen23 : 3/14/2018 3:53 am : link
I think, myself included, we all no it's not our til it's over, but most of us all saw this rebuild / retool, beginngi with NORWELL.

I like Solder, as an upgrade for us at a crucially weak position, LT. But at a much lower level then a 1st team all pro guard. And like Lewis, ala, Vereen, I'm not excited about the track record of ex-Pats players after they leave the evil empire. Talib, yes, but how many others, and how many on offense.

Stewart is far from a bell cow. But he will convert crucial short yardage 1st downs. I saw a lot of Panther's games this year. Opposite of NE, I think Cam stifles the production of all the Panther's offensive weapons. Too many times, I saw McCaffrey, Stewart, Fozzy Whitaker. wide open on swings destined for 10 yards and one man to beat, and Cam just wanted to do it himself. I don't blame Shula, the guys were open.

I love Barkley, and my Giants Blue Blood, knows if we take the first QB off the board., the Giants will convince me, our future long term is set.

But I still think this in play: Browns take our QB choice. We take Barkley. When the Browns are on the clock at 4, we trade Barkley,(ala Rivers for Eli) for Nelson & picks 33, & 35. We get Nelson, Guice/Michel,Penny, BPA OL, and one wild card value pick , (our 34th).

End of the day if not QB, do you want Barkley, OR, Nelson, 2nd to 5 RB, and a top 5 G or OT?

Plan A - Norwell didn't work. Sky's not falling.  
GMen23 : 3/14/2018 3:51 am : link
I think, myself included, we all no it's not our til it's over, but most of us all saw this rebuild / retool, beginngi with NORWELL.

I like Solder, as an upgrade for us at a crucially weak position, LT. But at a much lower level then a 1st team all pro guard. And like Lewis, ala, Vereen, I'm not excited about the track record of ex-Pats players after they leave the evil empire. Talib, yes, but how many others, and how many on offense.

Stewart is far from a bell cow. But he will convert crucial short yardage 1st downs. I saw a lot of Panther's games this year. Opposite of NE, I think Cam stifles the production of all the Panther's offensive weapons. Too many times, I saw McCaffrey, Stewart, Fozzy Whitaker. wide open on swings destined for 10 yards and one man to beat, and Cam just wanted to do it himself. I don't blame Shula, the guys were open.

I love Barkley, and my Giants Blue Blood, knows if we take the first QB off the board., the Giants will convince me, out future long term is set.

But I still think this in play: Browns take our QB choice. We take Barkley. When the Browns are on the clock at 4, we trade Barkley,(ala Rivers for Eli) for Nelson & picks 33, & 35. We get Guice/Michel,Penny, BPA OL, and one wild card value pick , (our 34th).

End of the day if not QB, do you want Barkley, OR, Nelson, 2nd to 5 RB, and a top 5 G or OT?

2.9 is crazy. Why did we cut DRC we have no one to  
bigblue18 : 3/14/2018 5:36 am : link
replace him and we waste that much money on this guy.
1 year 3 million  
Tuckrule : 3/14/2018 5:58 am : link
For a vet running back to help assist a rookie qb:) in pass pro and to change the culture of the locker room. The nfl isnít madden. It isnít just numbers and stats. The human element and having quality players in your Locke room is huge. DG knows Stewart well and obv targeted him. Iím haply. In DG I trust.
RE: 1 year 3 million  
Giants1956 : 3/14/2018 6:34 am : link
In comment 13863741 Tuckrule said:
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For a vet running back to help assist a rookie qb:) in pass pro and to change the culture of the locker room. The nfl isnít madden. It isnít just numbers and stats. The human element and having quality players in your Locke room is huge. DG knows Stewart well and obv targeted him. Iím haply. In DG I trust.


Tuckrule, I think job #1 is get rid of players who
are not team players. You can't win with them.
My hope is that OBJ is not one of them.
So how is Stewart better than Darkwa?  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/14/2018 6:44 am : link
Really? You people who love Darkwa really confuse me. It is very simple. Not only has Stewart been a proven quality RB for years, but HE CAN BLOCK and PICK UP THE BLITZ. He is not the best but as pointed out, not every player wants to come to NY. If you watch closely over the years with Darkwa, he is downright awful at picking up the blitz. There is a reason every year he is on the bubble of getting cut.There is more to being a RB than yardage. With a crap OL and TE's who are not great blockers it is imperative for your RB to be able to pick up a blitz.

Sorry for the rant. Lol.
Everyone on here said that  
Brown Recluse : 3/14/2018 6:44 am : link
DeAngelo Williams and Chris Johnson were done too when they left Carolina and Tennesee, respectively.

And both helped strengthen the running game for their next team.

BBI knows nothing.

I like this signing.
Pretty disgusted by this  
bigbluehoya : 3/14/2018 6:57 am : link
Look at the names of the remaining free agent running backs, and look at the names available in the draft. This is an absolute waste and itís gross.
He will end up contributing more than Vereen.  
EricJ : 3/14/2018 7:05 am : link
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RE: Everyone on here said that  
eclipz928 : 3/14/2018 7:13 am : link
In comment 13863764 Brown Recluse said:
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DeAngelo Williams and Chris Johnson were done too when they left Carolina and Tennesee, respectively.

And both helped strengthen the running game for their next team.

BBI knows nothing.

I like this signing.

Jonathan Stewart was never as good as DeAngelo Williams or Chris Johnson. Even if he was in his prime this would be a questionable signing.
for every one  
fkap : 3/14/2018 7:19 am : link
old player that keeps on going, there's multiples that lose that step/ability that makes them worth keeping on the roster.

for 3 mil/one year, he needs to produce as a part time player.

DO NOT plan on spreading it over two years. good this year. BAD next year. it's not free money to push it into the future
RE: People love to bitch  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/14/2018 8:01 am : link
In comment 13863573 Big Rick in FL said:
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His cap hit will probably be 1.5 million this year and next. Basically the vet minimum.

You still don't understand the whole element of non-guaranteed dollars counting against the cap when they're paid, huh?
The overreaction on this signing is hilarious  
Ryan in Albany : 3/14/2018 8:06 am : link
I trust Gettleman more than the idiots on BBI thinking they know more than professionals in the business.
RE: Please people  
giants#1 : 3/14/2018 8:13 am : link
In comment 13863602 Big Rick in FL said:
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Learn about the salary cap before talking about it. We go through this every year. Guaranteed number is all that matters.

Brad Wing signed a 6.45 million dollar contract. He made 3.9 million.

This Stewart deal is very similar to what we paid a Punter. 1.3 million per year for 3 years for Wing. 1.475 million per year for 2 years for Stewart.


Your numbers for Stewart seem off. He got $3M guaranteed, but we don't know how much of that is in a signing bonus or what his 2018 base salary is. If the $3M is all a SB, then he's likely to earn at least $4M total from the Giants assuming his 2018 base salary is the minimum (it likely isn't).

There are also some incentives that can boost the value of the deal so we'll need to see details of those before getting the full picture.
Whenever you have the chance to pay big money  
Heisenberg : 3/14/2018 8:19 am : link
for a soon to be 31 yr old RB with three straight years of declining performance, you have to take it.
Oh, no......  
Doomster : 3/14/2018 8:49 am : link
1 year 3 million
Tuckrule : 5:58 am : link : reply
For a vet running back to help assist a rookie qb:) in pass pro and to change the culture of the locker room. The nfl isnít madden. It isnít just numbers and stats. The human element and having quality players in your Locke room is huge. DG knows Stewart well and obv targeted him. Iím haply. In DG I trust.


Not again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: Please people  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/14/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 13863602 Big Rick in FL said:
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Learn about the salary cap before talking about it. We go through this every year. Guaranteed number is all that matters.

Brad Wing signed a 6.45 million dollar contract. He made 3.9 million.

This Stewart deal is very similar to what we paid a Punter. 1.3 million per year for 3 years for Wing. 1.475 million per year for 2 years for Stewart.

The irony of you instructing people to learn about the salary cap is off the charts. You seriously do not understand it yourself. The non-guaranteed money DOES count when the player is on the roster. To use your own words, we go through this every year - and every year you trot out the same dumb crap about "guaranteed number is all that matters" when that's absolutely not accurate.

For example, if the $2.95M is simply in the form of a signing bonus, then the Giants are on the hook for a cap hit of $1.475M in each of the next two years PLUS whatever his salary is this year (if he makes the roster) and whatever his salary is next year (if he makes the roster). And as a vested veteran, his entire salary will become guaranteed on the first game of the season each year.

If the $2.95M guaranteed is in the form of his 2018 salary (with no signing bonus), then his cap hit is $2.95M this year, and next year's hit ($3.95M) will be determined by whether he makes the team or not, with no dead money if he is cut.

Most likely, his guaranteed money is in the form of some combination of signing bonus and guaranteed salary, so let's say that he's got a $1.95M signing bonus and $1M guaranteed salary for 2018. That would mean that his cap hit for 2018 is $1.975M, and his hit for for 2019 would be $4.975 if he makes the team with a dead money hit of $975K if he is released.

The only way Stewart's total cap hit ends up being what you described, $1.475M per year for two years, is very specifically if the guaranteed money is entirely in the form of a signing bonus AND if he gets released before making the final roster.

Hopefully this little lesson helps. Please stop lecturing people on the salary cap when you really don't get it yourself.
This is a dumbass signing  
Rflairr : 3/14/2018 8:53 am : link
Canít justify the price tag, when the upgrade isnít enough if at all over Darkwa.
Its most likely  
Beer Man : 3/14/2018 9:07 am : link
One and done for $2.95M. If young RB's produce in 2018, he's mostly cut before 2019.
Talent wise  
Harvest Blend : 3/14/2018 9:11 am : link
the Giants are going to stink next year anyway no matter who they sign with the cap restrictions as they are. Got to improve the locker room first and foremost and then get ready for 2019. Stewart can help be that guy in the short term.

Head scratcher  
GoBlue6599 : 3/14/2018 9:12 am : link
3.4 ypc for a 60 year old RB and we sign him day 1 in Free Agency
bahahaha  
Enzo : 3/14/2018 9:23 am : link
this is worse than I thought. WTF is this? Yes the money is not going to cripple our cap, but it's indicative of a flawed plan/process.
3.4 ypc  
bc4life : 3/14/2018 9:28 am : link
is also impacted by how they used him. Did they use him a lot in short yardage, 3rd down, goal line?
Jerry  
XBRONX : 3/14/2018 9:32 am : link
Reese is starting to look better.LOL
Vet backup at a spot where we have no experience  
PatersonPlank : 3/14/2018 9:44 am : link
and only guys who are average, for basically a vet minimum. What's the issue? Good character, good numbers, good blocker, and good on short yardage. I bet we pick up a young guy now in the draft to team him with. I think Darkwa is on his way out, he's just a JAG.
Basically seems..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/14/2018 9:49 am : link
like a net neutral signing. Given the contracts given to other RB's, Stewart's is reasonable and allows flexibility after year 1.

That being said, is it ever really wise to sign a RB on the other side of 30 while restocking the roster? He's probably going to give us a reliable short yardage back and have more return than Rashad Jennings, but this is a really low ceiling type of move.
it's still too much money  
GiantsFan84 : 3/14/2018 9:50 am : link
the player is finished. i assumed he was brought in for the locker room and as a spy for the GM/coach in the locker room. way too much money for such an addition
It's not really going to hurt them  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2018 9:54 am : link
But it sure as hell isn't going to help, either. I have no idea what the point of this was.
RE: It's not really going to hurt them  
Mike in NY : 3/14/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 13864113 Greg from LI said:
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But it sure as hell isn't going to help, either. I have no idea what the point of this was.


Veteran RB who understands blitzes to help in pass protection and likely Shurmur/Shula offense will have similar verbiage to what Stewart had in Carolina. Don't forget, Shurmur coached with Ron Rivera.
The only thing I can think of  
Chris684 : 3/14/2018 10:01 am : link
is some more of the intangible qualities a guy like Stewart might bring to the table.

Gettleman understands he has a long way to go in getting that locker room sorted out and a veteran like Stewart can help with that. There is also the familiarity with he and Shula.

In the meantime, he is tough runner who seems to have a season or two of productivity left in the tank. Very low risk and very measured reward.
He going to teach  
XBRONX : 3/14/2018 10:01 am : link
pass pro. Guess they don't need a RB coach
Player/Coach  
BlueinRoch : 3/14/2018 10:01 am : link
I like the signing a lot and don't think it's over paying. He adds depth to the RB position and a veteran presence that also knows the offense. He can help get the others up to speed.
A lot of bed wetting here  
Jon in NYC : 3/14/2018 10:06 am : link
for a minor signing. Actually read what Gettleman wrote:

ďI am very pleased that we were able to make Jonathan a New York Football Giant,Ē said Gettleman. ďHe is a quality runner with power and speed and brings a veteran, professional presence to our locker room. Heís a terrific addition for us at this time.Ē

DG has preached about culture time and time again. Stewart is a culture guy who can mentor a young RB. They will draft someone. He's a good short yardage back.

I don't think anyone thinks he's going to be averaging 5 yards a carry and going to transform this team. But he has a value here.
Jon agreed...  
Chris684 : 3/14/2018 10:07 am : link
Gettleman basically spelling it out for all.

This is a culture/locker room move more than an on-field move.
Since Stewart was released by Carolina  
Mike in NY : 3/14/2018 10:08 am : link
He also doesn't factor into the compensatory pick equation, for what that's worth
if this is a culture signing  
bc4life : 3/14/2018 10:11 am : link
maybe we can expect a veteran wr signing also
RE: if this is a culture signing  
Jon in NYC : 3/14/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 13864158 bc4life said:
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maybe we can expect a veteran wr signing also


I suspect this is why Harris and Marshall haven't been cut yet.
Can someone link to  
Giantfan in skinland : 3/14/2018 10:14 am : link
or provide a breakdown if cap hits for J-stew, Carlos Hyde, and Crowell? If definitely prefer the other two in a vacuum....curious what the difference in their respective deals is from a cap perspective.
Gatorade Dunk  
Big Rick in FL : 3/14/2018 10:15 am : link
Taking my post way too literal my man. Obviously 10 minutes after we find out the number I don't have a complete breakdown. My whole point was we go through this every single year. The first numbers are reported and everybody freaks the fuck out. Meanwhile the player rarely (Basically only QBs) if ever sees anywhere near the numbers originally reported. Yet we still go through this same thing year in and year out.


Frankly the numbers really don't matter. Teams can always work around it. The Eagles were 9 million over the cap. They just signed a 40 million dollar player, two other free agents and traded for Michael Bennett. The whole point was to tell people to stop freaking out about money they aren't spending. NFL teams know what they are doing. Especially the Giants.
RE: Whenever you have the chance to pay big money  
Joey in VA : 3/14/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13863886 Heisenberg said:
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for a soon to be 31 yr old RB with three straight years of declining performance, you have to take it.
Big money??? It's essentially a year at $3 million. The cap is what $177 million? So big money is 1% of the salary cap? You suck at math.
RE: Gatorade Dunk  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/14/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13864178 Big Rick in FL said:
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Taking my post way too literal my man. Obviously 10 minutes after we find out the number I don't have a complete breakdown. My whole point was we go through this every single year. The first numbers are reported and everybody freaks the fuck out. Meanwhile the player rarely (Basically only QBs) if ever sees anywhere near the numbers originally reported. Yet we still go through this same thing year in and year out.


Frankly the numbers really don't matter. Teams can always work around it. The Eagles were 9 million over the cap. They just signed a 40 million dollar player, two other free agents and traded for Michael Bennett. The whole point was to tell people to stop freaking out about money they aren't spending. NFL teams know what they are doing. Especially the Giants.

This isn't the first time you've chirped about guaranteed money being the only thing that matters nor the first time that you've tried to lay out guaranteed money as the only part that counts against the cap. The reality is, that's not the way it actually works, and we've had THAT conversation year in and year out as well.

Let me give you an extremely basic example: a player signs a 5 year, $25M contract, which includes a $15M signing bonus. The remaining portion is all salary, structured at a flat $2M per year, none of which is guaranteed. You would point to the $15M guaranteed portion and say that's the only thing that matters and the only part that really counts. But in this case, the contract structure is such that the team can never get out of the contract without it costing more to cut him than to keep him. In essence, the entire $25M is effectively guaranteed even though it's not technically "guaranteed."

That's an overly simplistic example, but the point is that contract structure often functions to effectively guarantee some portion of the non-guaranteed total. So constantly harping on the guaranteed amount is absolutely inaccurate.
RE: A lot of bed wetting here  
mfsd : 3/14/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 13864143 Jon in NYC said:
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for a minor signing. Actually read what Gettleman wrote:

ďI am very pleased that we were able to make Jonathan a New York Football Giant,Ē said Gettleman. ďHe is a quality runner with power and speed and brings a veteran, professional presence to our locker room. Heís a terrific addition for us at this time.Ē

DG has preached about culture time and time again. Stewart is a culture guy who can mentor a young RB. They will draft someone. He's a good short yardage back.

I don't think anyone thinks he's going to be averaging 5 yards a carry and going to transform this team. But he has a value here.


Good post here
RE: RE: Gatorade Dunk  
Mike in NY : 3/14/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13864242 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13864178 Big Rick in FL said:


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Taking my post way too literal my man. Obviously 10 minutes after we find out the number I don't have a complete breakdown. My whole point was we go through this every single year. The first numbers are reported and everybody freaks the fuck out. Meanwhile the player rarely (Basically only QBs) if ever sees anywhere near the numbers originally reported. Yet we still go through this same thing year in and year out.


Frankly the numbers really don't matter. Teams can always work around it. The Eagles were 9 million over the cap. They just signed a 40 million dollar player, two other free agents and traded for Michael Bennett. The whole point was to tell people to stop freaking out about money they aren't spending. NFL teams know what they are doing. Especially the Giants.


This isn't the first time you've chirped about guaranteed money being the only thing that matters nor the first time that you've tried to lay out guaranteed money as the only part that counts against the cap. The reality is, that's not the way it actually works, and we've had THAT conversation year in and year out as well.

Let me give you an extremely basic example: a player signs a 5 year, $25M contract, which includes a $15M signing bonus. The remaining portion is all salary, structured at a flat $2M per year, none of which is guaranteed. You would point to the $15M guaranteed portion and say that's the only thing that matters and the only part that really counts. But in this case, the contract structure is such that the team can never get out of the contract without it costing more to cut him than to keep him. In essence, the entire $25M is effectively guaranteed even though it's not technically "guaranteed."

That's an overly simplistic example, but the point is that contract structure often functions to effectively guarantee some portion of the non-guaranteed total. So constantly harping on the guaranteed amount is absolutely inaccurate.


In your example that is essentially a 4 year deal with a team option for the fifth year because in the fifth year cutting him costs $3 Million against the cap while keeping costs $5 Million.
RE: RE: RE: Gatorade Dunk  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/14/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13864405 Mike in NY said:
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In your example that is essentially a 4 year deal with a team option for the fifth year because in the fifth year cutting him costs $3 Million against the cap while keeping costs $5 Million.

You're absolutely right. I was thinking dead money vs savings, but you're correct. Even so, the point still stands - the contract structure would effectively guarantee more than just the "guaranteed" amount.
Stewart  
stretch234 : 3/14/2018 11:11 am : link
Last 6 years, behind a supposedly much better OL

974 carries 3,818 yds 3.9 ypc 81 receptions

will be 31 years old

is this a locker room signing vet to help the younger RB's in Gallman, Perkins and whoever else
RE: Stewart  
Thegratefulhead : 3/14/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13864471 stretch234 said:
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Last 6 years, behind a supposedly much better OL

974 carries 3,818 yds 3.9 ypc 81 receptions

will be 31 years old

is this a locker room signing vet to help the younger RB's in Gallman, Perkins and whoever else
This is a locker room signing. Has a little a bit of an older OJ Anderson in him. OJ YPC were low with the Gmen but he was so valuable to the team.
I'm sure Gethsemane closely studied Stewart's tspe...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/14/2018 12:16 pm : link
from 5 years ago.
RE: I'm sure Gethsemane closely studied Stewart's tspe...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/14/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13864753 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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from 5 years ago.


Stupid spellcheck, doesn't like Gettleman.
Questionable signing...  
Torrag : 3/14/2018 3:09 pm : link
...and even more questionable contract. gettelman's first mistake in my view. But noone gets them all right.
RE: Stewart  
Racer : 3/15/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 13864471 stretch234 said:
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Last 6 years, behind a supposedly much better OL

974 carries 3,818 yds 3.9 ypc 81 receptions

will be 31 years old

is this a locker room signing vet to help the younger RB's in Gallman, Perkins and whoever else


Welcome back from the dead, stretch.
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