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Ian Rapoport & #8207; Verified account @RapSheet 18s19 seconds ago More The #Giants signed RB Jonathan Stewart to a 2-year deal worth $6.9M base, source said with $2.95M guaranteed. The max value is $8.4M for the former #Panthers star. |
10 year - $1.015M
According to Spotrac
It’s really not at all
This is a guy who very likely would be out of the league.
This is a guy who very likely would be out of the league.
Maybe he was signed as a mentor for Saquon Barkley :).
Could have signed a guy who isn't 30 for 1.5 million cap hit and develop him.
He's got a ton of wear and tear on him, he's been injured countless times, he's 30 years old, and he was shitty last year.
If we're spending money on players just because of our locker room, we're even more fucked than I thought.
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His cap hit will probably be 1.5 million this year and next. Basically the vet minimum.
Could have signed a guy who isn't 30 for 1.5 million cap hit and develop him.
Who??
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His cap hit will probably be 1.5 million this year and next. Basically the vet minimum.
Could have signed a guy who isn't 30 for 1.5 million cap hit and develop him.
Dion Lewis has 300 less total yards and 7 less TDs over the last 2 years. He got paid as a top 10 RB in the NFL and he's 28.
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His cap hit will probably be 1.5 million this year and next. Basically the vet minimum.
Could have signed a guy who isn't 30 for 1.5 million cap hit and develop him.
Dion Lewis has 300 less total yards and 7 less TDs over the last 2 years. He got paid as a top 10 RB in the NFL and he's 28.
...with a fraction of miles under his belt. This site has some of the dumbest comments
This is like a desperate move signing and we should not be desperate to sign old players. I would rather have Darkwa back than this. Maybe they signed him as a mentor for Barkley or a vet in the backfield to help a young QB.
He doesn't stay healthy tho.
I what Barkley and like Gallman and Darkwa
This move aggravates me. Stewart is old and was never even really good.
Brad Wing signed a 6.45 million dollar contract. He made 3.9 million.
This Stewart deal is very similar to what we paid a Punter. 1.3 million per year for 3 years for Wing. 1.475 million per year for 2 years for Stewart.
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It's bad because he's really old, is not good any more, any snaps he takes are at the expense of younger players who need the reps, and if he's here to for his awesome attitude and to help install the offense he's 100s of % overpaid.
This is a guy who very likely would be out of the league.
Maybe he was signed as a mentor for Saquon Barkley :).
This is the only scenario I agree with...
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and is actually a good rb in the league. so stupid
He doesn't stay healthy tho.
Lewis didn't miss a game last year and was the best NE RB. He had a very, very solid year and is a better player than Stewart.
About 500 less than Lesean McCoy
About 650 less than Marshawn Lynch
Only 470 more than Le'Veon Bell
1600 less than Frank Gore (jeez Gore has had a great career)
Still- this signing is confusing.
Darkwa (26 yo) - 171 attempts/751 yards, 4.4 ypc, 5 TDs
Stewart (31 yo) - 198 attempts/680 yards, 3.4ypc, 5 TDs
Yea - let's sig the older, less productive back, who ran behind a decent OL, while the younger guy ran behind 5 guys who couldn't block Betty White
I like Solder, as an upgrade for us at a crucially weak position, LT. But at a much lower level then a 1st team all pro guard. And like Lewis, ala, Vereen, I'm not excited about the track record of ex-Pats players after they leave the evil empire. Talib, yes, but how many others, and how many on offense.
Stewart is far from a bell cow. But he will convert crucial short yardage 1st downs. I saw a lot of Panther's games this year. Opposite of NE, I think Cam stifles the production of all the Panther's offensive weapons. Too many times, I saw McCaffrey, Stewart, Fozzy Whitaker. wide open on swings destined for 10 yards and one man to beat, and Cam just wanted to do it himself. I don't blame Shula, the guys were open.
I love Barkley, and my Giants Blue Blood, knows if we take the first QB off the board., the Giants will convince me, our future long term is set.
But I still think this in play: Browns take our QB choice. We take Barkley. When the Browns are on the clock at 4, we trade Barkley,(ala Rivers for Eli) for Nelson & picks 33, & 35. We get Nelson, Guice/Michel,Penny, BPA OL, and one wild card value pick , (our 34th).
End of the day if not QB, do you want Barkley, OR, Nelson, 2nd to 5 RB, and a top 5 G or OT?
I like Solder, as an upgrade for us at a crucially weak position, LT. But at a much lower level then a 1st team all pro guard. And like Lewis, ala, Vereen, I'm not excited about the track record of ex-Pats players after they leave the evil empire. Talib, yes, but how many others, and how many on offense.
Stewart is far from a bell cow. But he will convert crucial short yardage 1st downs. I saw a lot of Panther's games this year. Opposite of NE, I think Cam stifles the production of all the Panther's offensive weapons. Too many times, I saw McCaffrey, Stewart, Fozzy Whitaker. wide open on swings destined for 10 yards and one man to beat, and Cam just wanted to do it himself. I don't blame Shula, the guys were open.
I love Barkley, and my Giants Blue Blood, knows if we take the first QB off the board., the Giants will convince me, out future long term is set.
But I still think this in play: Browns take our QB choice. We take Barkley. When the Browns are on the clock at 4, we trade Barkley,(ala Rivers for Eli) for Nelson & picks 33, & 35. We get Guice/Michel,Penny, BPA OL, and one wild card value pick , (our 34th).
End of the day if not QB, do you want Barkley, OR, Nelson, 2nd to 5 RB, and a top 5 G or OT?
Tuckrule, I think job #1 is get rid of players who
are not team players. You can't win with them.
My hope is that OBJ is not one of them.
Sorry for the rant. Lol.
And both helped strengthen the running game for their next team.
BBI knows nothing.
I like this signing.
And both helped strengthen the running game for their next team.
BBI knows nothing.
I like this signing.
Jonathan Stewart was never as good as DeAngelo Williams or Chris Johnson. Even if he was in his prime this would be a questionable signing.
for 3 mil/one year, he needs to produce as a part time player.
DO NOT plan on spreading it over two years. good this year. BAD next year. it's not free money to push it into the future
You still don't understand the whole element of non-guaranteed dollars counting against the cap when they're paid, huh?
Brad Wing signed a 6.45 million dollar contract. He made 3.9 million.
This Stewart deal is very similar to what we paid a Punter. 1.3 million per year for 3 years for Wing. 1.475 million per year for 2 years for Stewart.
Your numbers for Stewart seem off. He got $3M guaranteed, but we don't know how much of that is in a signing bonus or what his 2018 base salary is. If the $3M is all a SB, then he's likely to earn at least $4M total from the Giants assuming his 2018 base salary is the minimum (it likely isn't).
There are also some incentives that can boost the value of the deal so we'll need to see details of those before getting the full picture.
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For a vet running back to help assist a rookie qb:) in pass pro and to change the culture of the locker room. The nfl isn’t madden. It isn’t just numbers and stats. The human element and having quality players in your Locke room is huge. DG knows Stewart well and obv targeted him. I’m haply. In DG I trust.
Not again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brad Wing signed a 6.45 million dollar contract. He made 3.9 million.
This Stewart deal is very similar to what we paid a Punter. 1.3 million per year for 3 years for Wing. 1.475 million per year for 2 years for Stewart.
The irony of you instructing people to learn about the salary cap is off the charts. You seriously do not understand it yourself. The non-guaranteed money DOES count when the player is on the roster. To use your own words, we go through this every year - and every year you trot out the same dumb crap about "guaranteed number is all that matters" when that's absolutely not accurate.
For example, if the $2.95M is simply in the form of a signing bonus, then the Giants are on the hook for a cap hit of $1.475M in each of the next two years PLUS whatever his salary is this year (if he makes the roster) and whatever his salary is next year (if he makes the roster). And as a vested veteran, his entire salary will become guaranteed on the first game of the season each year.
If the $2.95M guaranteed is in the form of his 2018 salary (with no signing bonus), then his cap hit is $2.95M this year, and next year's hit ($3.95M) will be determined by whether he makes the team or not, with no dead money if he is cut.
Most likely, his guaranteed money is in the form of some combination of signing bonus and guaranteed salary, so let's say that he's got a $1.95M signing bonus and $1M guaranteed salary for 2018. That would mean that his cap hit for 2018 is $1.975M, and his hit for for 2019 would be $4.975 if he makes the team with a dead money hit of $975K if he is released.
The only way Stewart's total cap hit ends up being what you described, $1.475M per year for two years, is very specifically if the guaranteed money is entirely in the form of a signing bonus AND if he gets released before making the final roster.
Hopefully this little lesson helps. Please stop lecturing people on the salary cap when you really don't get it yourself.
That being said, is it ever really wise to sign a RB on the other side of 30 while restocking the roster? He's probably going to give us a reliable short yardage back and have more return than Rashad Jennings, but this is a really low ceiling type of move.
Veteran RB who understands blitzes to help in pass protection and likely Shurmur/Shula offense will have similar verbiage to what Stewart had in Carolina. Don't forget, Shurmur coached with Ron Rivera.
Gettleman understands he has a long way to go in getting that locker room sorted out and a veteran like Stewart can help with that. There is also the familiarity with he and Shula.
In the meantime, he is tough runner who seems to have a season or two of productivity left in the tank. Very low risk and very measured reward.
“I am very pleased that we were able to make Jonathan a New York Football Giant,” said Gettleman. “He is a quality runner with power and speed and brings a veteran, professional presence to our locker room. He’s a terrific addition for us at this time.”
DG has preached about culture time and time again. Stewart is a culture guy who can mentor a young RB. They will draft someone. He's a good short yardage back.
I don't think anyone thinks he's going to be averaging 5 yards a carry and going to transform this team. But he has a value here.
This is a culture/locker room move more than an on-field move.
I suspect this is why Harris and Marshall haven't been cut yet.
Frankly the numbers really don't matter. Teams can always work around it. The Eagles were 9 million over the cap. They just signed a 40 million dollar player, two other free agents and traded for Michael Bennett. The whole point was to tell people to stop freaking out about money they aren't spending. NFL teams know what they are doing. Especially the Giants.
Frankly the numbers really don't matter. Teams can always work around it. The Eagles were 9 million over the cap. They just signed a 40 million dollar player, two other free agents and traded for Michael Bennett. The whole point was to tell people to stop freaking out about money they aren't spending. NFL teams know what they are doing. Especially the Giants.
This isn't the first time you've chirped about guaranteed money being the only thing that matters nor the first time that you've tried to lay out guaranteed money as the only part that counts against the cap. The reality is, that's not the way it actually works, and we've had THAT conversation year in and year out as well.
Let me give you an extremely basic example: a player signs a 5 year, $25M contract, which includes a $15M signing bonus. The remaining portion is all salary, structured at a flat $2M per year, none of which is guaranteed. You would point to the $15M guaranteed portion and say that's the only thing that matters and the only part that really counts. But in this case, the contract structure is such that the team can never get out of the contract without it costing more to cut him than to keep him. In essence, the entire $25M is effectively guaranteed even though it's not technically "guaranteed."
That's an overly simplistic example, but the point is that contract structure often functions to effectively guarantee some portion of the non-guaranteed total. So constantly harping on the guaranteed amount is absolutely inaccurate.
“I am very pleased that we were able to make Jonathan a New York Football Giant,” said Gettleman. “He is a quality runner with power and speed and brings a veteran, professional presence to our locker room. He’s a terrific addition for us at this time.”
DG has preached about culture time and time again. Stewart is a culture guy who can mentor a young RB. They will draft someone. He's a good short yardage back.
I don't think anyone thinks he's going to be averaging 5 yards a carry and going to transform this team. But he has a value here.
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Taking my post way too literal my man. Obviously 10 minutes after we find out the number I don't have a complete breakdown. My whole point was we go through this every single year. The first numbers are reported and everybody freaks the fuck out. Meanwhile the player rarely (Basically only QBs) if ever sees anywhere near the numbers originally reported. Yet we still go through this same thing year in and year out.
Frankly the numbers really don't matter. Teams can always work around it. The Eagles were 9 million over the cap. They just signed a 40 million dollar player, two other free agents and traded for Michael Bennett. The whole point was to tell people to stop freaking out about money they aren't spending. NFL teams know what they are doing. Especially the Giants.
This isn't the first time you've chirped about guaranteed money being the only thing that matters nor the first time that you've tried to lay out guaranteed money as the only part that counts against the cap. The reality is, that's not the way it actually works, and we've had THAT conversation year in and year out as well.
Let me give you an extremely basic example: a player signs a 5 year, $25M contract, which includes a $15M signing bonus. The remaining portion is all salary, structured at a flat $2M per year, none of which is guaranteed. You would point to the $15M guaranteed portion and say that's the only thing that matters and the only part that really counts. But in this case, the contract structure is such that the team can never get out of the contract without it costing more to cut him than to keep him. In essence, the entire $25M is effectively guaranteed even though it's not technically "guaranteed."
That's an overly simplistic example, but the point is that contract structure often functions to effectively guarantee some portion of the non-guaranteed total. So constantly harping on the guaranteed amount is absolutely inaccurate.
In your example that is essentially a 4 year deal with a team option for the fifth year because in the fifth year cutting him costs $3 Million against the cap while keeping costs $5 Million.
In your example that is essentially a 4 year deal with a team option for the fifth year because in the fifth year cutting him costs $3 Million against the cap while keeping costs $5 Million.
You're absolutely right. I was thinking dead money vs savings, but you're correct. Even so, the point still stands - the contract structure would effectively guarantee more than just the "guaranteed" amount.
974 carries 3,818 yds 3.9 ypc 81 receptions
will be 31 years old
is this a locker room signing vet to help the younger RB's in Gallman, Perkins and whoever else
974 carries 3,818 yds 3.9 ypc 81 receptions
will be 31 years old
is this a locker room signing vet to help the younger RB's in Gallman, Perkins and whoever else
Stupid spellcheck, doesn't like Gettleman.
974 carries 3,818 yds 3.9 ypc 81 receptions
will be 31 years old
is this a locker room signing vet to help the younger RB's in Gallman, Perkins and whoever else
Welcome back from the dead, stretch.