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adamg : 3/13/2018 10:23 pm
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The #Giants signed RB Jonathan Stewart to a 2-year deal worth $6.9M base, source said with $2.95M guaranteed. The max value is $8.4M for the former #Panthers star.
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kind of a lot more than expected  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2018 10:24 pm : link
Gettleman/Shula must really like him.
Absolutely gross  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/13/2018 10:24 pm : link
Horrible overpay
Not really  
rich in DC : 3/13/2018 10:24 pm : link
That's a "one and done" deal- as in the Giants can cut him with almost no future costs after one year.
The only money that matters is the guarantee  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 10:26 pm : link
So it's not that much. It's a one year deal.
...  
christian : 3/13/2018 10:27 pm : link
This is bad. I find it hard to believe he would even get a chance to land on a roster.
OK phew I misread  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/13/2018 10:27 pm : link
So basically one year, $3M
I guess you guys are right  
adamg : 3/13/2018 10:27 pm : link
I was just expecting something closer to 2 than 3 mill...
so  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2018 10:27 pm : link
basically 1 year at $3 million.
So bad  
AdamBrag : 3/13/2018 10:28 pm : link
Even just the guaranteed money is really bad.
The vet minimums are as followed (I believe)  
Saos1n : 3/13/2018 10:28 pm : link
9 year - $915K
10 year - $1.015M

According to Spotrac
RE: So bad  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/13/2018 10:29 pm : link
In comment 13863556 AdamBrag said:
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Even just the guaranteed money is really bad.


It’s really not at all
That looks like  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 10:32 pm : link
RB2 pay for next season. He is going to have a role. For comparison, Blount got 1 year, 1.25 mil from Philly last offseason and 400k guaranteed. Marshawn Lynch got 2 years, 9 mil, and another 9 mil in incentives.
dion lewis got 5 mil a year  
DaddyM89 : 3/13/2018 10:33 pm : link
and is actually a good rb in the league. so stupid
So we got DRC to spend half of his contract on Stewart?  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2018 10:34 pm : link
Even if it's a one year deal, $2.95 million guaranteed is too much for an over 30 runningback whose averaged 3.5 ypc the last two years
...  
christian : 3/13/2018 10:36 pm : link
It's bad because he's really old, is not good any more, any snaps he takes are at the expense of younger players who need the reps, and if he's here to for his awesome attitude and to help install the offense he's 100s of % overpaid.

This is a guy who very likely would be out of the league.
People love to bitch  
Big Rick in FL : 3/13/2018 10:40 pm : link
His cap hit will probably be 1.5 million this year and next. Basically the vet minimum.
RE: ...  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2018 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13863569 christian said:
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It's bad because he's really old, is not good any more, any snaps he takes are at the expense of younger players who need the reps, and if he's here to for his awesome attitude and to help install the offense he's 100s of % overpaid.

This is a guy who very likely would be out of the league.


Maybe he was signed as a mentor for Saquon Barkley :).
RE: People love to bitch  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2018 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13863573 Big Rick in FL said:
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His cap hit will probably be 1.5 million this year and next. Basically the vet minimum.


Could have signed a guy who isn't 30 for 1.5 million cap hit and develop him.
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arcarsenal : 3/13/2018 10:43 pm : link
The contract doesn't bother me, the player does.

He's got a ton of wear and tear on him, he's been injured countless times, he's 30 years old, and he was shitty last year.

If we're spending money on players just because of our locker room, we're even more fucked than I thought.
RE: RE: People love to bitch  
Big Rick in FL : 3/13/2018 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13863575 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 13863573 Big Rick in FL said:


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His cap hit will probably be 1.5 million this year and next. Basically the vet minimum.



Could have signed a guy who isn't 30 for 1.5 million cap hit and develop him.


Who??
Ugh...  
Dnew15 : 3/13/2018 10:44 pm : link
Why? What a waste.
RE: RE: People love to bitch  
Big Rick in FL : 3/13/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13863575 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 13863573 Big Rick in FL said:


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His cap hit will probably be 1.5 million this year and next. Basically the vet minimum.



Could have signed a guy who isn't 30 for 1.5 million cap hit and develop him.


Dion Lewis has 300 less total yards and 7 less TDs over the last 2 years. He got paid as a top 10 RB in the NFL and he's 28.
RE: RE: RE: People love to bitch  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/13/2018 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13863580 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 13863573 Big Rick in FL said:


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His cap hit will probably be 1.5 million this year and next. Basically the vet minimum.



Could have signed a guy who isn't 30 for 1.5 million cap hit and develop him.



Dion Lewis has 300 less total yards and 7 less TDs over the last 2 years. He got paid as a top 10 RB in the NFL and he's 28.


...with a fraction of miles under his belt. This site has some of the dumbest comments
WTF  
Keith : 3/13/2018 10:52 pm : link
This one is mind boggling. We shouldn’t be signing him at all, let alone for that money. Hes done.
This should have been a vet minimum signing  
Rudy5757 : 3/13/2018 10:52 pm : link
This is a poor signing at anything more than that. I watched most of his games this season and he is definitely at the end. Maybe a little left in the tank but not much. I thought this was a locker room signing but this is way too much money for that.

This is like a desperate move signing and we should not be desperate to sign old players. I would rather have Darkwa back than this. Maybe they signed him as a mentor for Barkley or a vet in the backfield to help a young QB.
Stewart's birthday is on March 21 when he'll be 31  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2018 10:52 pm : link
btw.
DG and the Giants are maybe...  
M.S. : 3/13/2018 10:53 pm : link
...hemmed in with a narrow, limited choice of free agents willing to join the Giants.
Everything you say?  
Big Rick in FL : 3/13/2018 10:53 pm : link
One got paid as a top 10 RB and one got near the vet minimum. That was in reply to him saying we could have gotten a younger guy for 1.5 million a year. No we couldn't have.
What direction are we going in?  
Keith : 3/13/2018 10:53 pm : link
We are all over the place, not a good sign if you ask me.
RE: dion lewis got 5 mil a year  
Toth029 : 3/13/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13863566 DaddyM89 said:
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and is actually a good rb in the league. so stupid


He doesn't stay healthy tho.
Nothing impressive  
Rflairr : 3/13/2018 10:57 pm : link
About Gettleman’s tenure so far
Is he really any better then darkwa?  
DennyInDenville : 3/13/2018 11:01 pm : link
I really liked Darkwa..

I what Barkley and like Gallman and Darkwa

This move aggravates me. Stewart is old and was never even really good.
Please people  
Big Rick in FL : 3/13/2018 11:03 pm : link
Learn about the salary cap before talking about it. We go through this every year. Guaranteed number is all that matters.

Brad Wing signed a 6.45 million dollar contract. He made 3.9 million.

This Stewart deal is very similar to what we paid a Punter. 1.3 million per year for 3 years for Wing. 1.475 million per year for 2 years for Stewart.
Dumpster fire  
Justlurking : 3/13/2018 11:17 pm : link
Continues to rage in the meadowlands.
RE: RE: ...  
SHO'NUFF : 3/13/2018 11:18 pm : link
In comment 13863574 GFAN52 said:
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It's bad because he's really old, is not good any more, any snaps he takes are at the expense of younger players who need the reps, and if he's here to for his awesome attitude and to help install the offense he's 100s of % overpaid.

This is a guy who very likely would be out of the league.



Maybe he was signed as a mentor for Saquon Barkley :).


This is the only scenario I agree with...
RE: RE: dion lewis got 5 mil a year  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2018 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13863591 Toth029 said:
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and is actually a good rb in the league. so stupid



He doesn't stay healthy tho.


Lewis didn't miss a game last year and was the best NE RB. He had a very, very solid year and is a better player than Stewart.
1 maybe positive spin on the Stewart deal  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 11:32 pm : link
Because he used to share carries with Deangelo Williams and then McCaffrey last season, he actually has somewhat low mileage for a 10 year vet.

About 500 less than Lesean McCoy
About 650 less than Marshawn Lynch
Only 470 more than Le'Veon Bell
1600 less than Frank Gore (jeez Gore has had a great career)

Still- this signing is confusing.

Also I should note  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 11:35 pm : link
that he missed some time due to injury, especially earlier in his career.
watching highlights/looking at stats it looks like he was ok last year  
Eric on Li : 3/13/2018 11:37 pm : link
started most of their games, played pretty well in the playoffs against NO, also played pretty well against Minnesota in December (guessing Shurmur remembered that). Seemed to get a lot of short yardage and goaline work. Probably the role they're thinking he'll fill. Didn't look much different than he looked over the rest of his career. Good vision, tough to tackle and fast enough to break off big runs if he got a crease.
what a terrible contract  
Vanzetti : 3/13/2018 11:44 pm : link
Stewart should only be paid $15/hour. Fire Gettleman!!!
So How Is Stewart Better Than Darkwa?  
TheVette : 3/13/2018 11:59 pm : link
Not by these numbers from last season:

Darkwa (26 yo) - 171 attempts/751 yards, 4.4 ypc, 5 TDs
Stewart (31 yo) - 198 attempts/680 yards, 3.4ypc, 5 TDs

Yea - let's sig the older, less productive back, who ran behind a decent OL, while the younger guy ran behind 5 guys who couldn't block Betty White
Seriousy, this is really odd  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/14/2018 12:37 am : link
That’s a lot of money for 3.4 ypc.
You guys are all expecting  
sharpshooter66 : 3/14/2018 1:17 am : link
Major signings and its probably not going to happen like that. They are filling the roster because we have no depth and they dont want to handcuff themselves for the draft. They want some veterans on the team for better leadership and chemistry. I bet you guys said the same thing when we signed Sam Madison and his presence in the secondary was liquid gold. Chill
Plan A - Norwell didn't work. Sky's not falling.  
GMen23 : 3/14/2018 3:53 am : link
I think, myself included, we all no it's not our til it's over, but most of us all saw this rebuild / retool, beginngi with NORWELL.

I like Solder, as an upgrade for us at a crucially weak position, LT. But at a much lower level then a 1st team all pro guard. And like Lewis, ala, Vereen, I'm not excited about the track record of ex-Pats players after they leave the evil empire. Talib, yes, but how many others, and how many on offense.

Stewart is far from a bell cow. But he will convert crucial short yardage 1st downs. I saw a lot of Panther's games this year. Opposite of NE, I think Cam stifles the production of all the Panther's offensive weapons. Too many times, I saw McCaffrey, Stewart, Fozzy Whitaker. wide open on swings destined for 10 yards and one man to beat, and Cam just wanted to do it himself. I don't blame Shula, the guys were open.

I love Barkley, and my Giants Blue Blood, knows if we take the first QB off the board., the Giants will convince me, our future long term is set.

But I still think this in play: Browns take our QB choice. We take Barkley. When the Browns are on the clock at 4, we trade Barkley,(ala Rivers for Eli) for Nelson & picks 33, & 35. We get Nelson, Guice/Michel,Penny, BPA OL, and one wild card value pick , (our 34th).

End of the day if not QB, do you want Barkley, OR, Nelson, 2nd to 5 RB, and a top 5 G or OT?

Plan A - Norwell didn't work. Sky's not falling.  
GMen23 : 3/14/2018 3:51 am : link
I think, myself included, we all no it's not our til it's over, but most of us all saw this rebuild / retool, beginngi with NORWELL.

I like Solder, as an upgrade for us at a crucially weak position, LT. But at a much lower level then a 1st team all pro guard. And like Lewis, ala, Vereen, I'm not excited about the track record of ex-Pats players after they leave the evil empire. Talib, yes, but how many others, and how many on offense.

Stewart is far from a bell cow. But he will convert crucial short yardage 1st downs. I saw a lot of Panther's games this year. Opposite of NE, I think Cam stifles the production of all the Panther's offensive weapons. Too many times, I saw McCaffrey, Stewart, Fozzy Whitaker. wide open on swings destined for 10 yards and one man to beat, and Cam just wanted to do it himself. I don't blame Shula, the guys were open.

I love Barkley, and my Giants Blue Blood, knows if we take the first QB off the board., the Giants will convince me, out future long term is set.

But I still think this in play: Browns take our QB choice. We take Barkley. When the Browns are on the clock at 4, we trade Barkley,(ala Rivers for Eli) for Nelson & picks 33, & 35. We get Guice/Michel,Penny, BPA OL, and one wild card value pick , (our 34th).

End of the day if not QB, do you want Barkley, OR, Nelson, 2nd to 5 RB, and a top 5 G or OT?

2.9 is crazy. Why did we cut DRC we have no one to  
bigblue18 : 3/14/2018 5:36 am : link
replace him and we waste that much money on this guy.
1 year 3 million  
Tuckrule : 3/14/2018 5:58 am : link
For a vet running back to help assist a rookie qb:) in pass pro and to change the culture of the locker room. The nfl isn’t madden. It isn’t just numbers and stats. The human element and having quality players in your Locke room is huge. DG knows Stewart well and obv targeted him. I’m haply. In DG I trust.
RE: 1 year 3 million  
Giants1956 : 3/14/2018 6:34 am : link
In comment 13863741 Tuckrule said:
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For a vet running back to help assist a rookie qb:) in pass pro and to change the culture of the locker room. The nfl isn’t madden. It isn’t just numbers and stats. The human element and having quality players in your Locke room is huge. DG knows Stewart well and obv targeted him. I’m haply. In DG I trust.


Tuckrule, I think job #1 is get rid of players who
are not team players. You can't win with them.
My hope is that OBJ is not one of them.
So how is Stewart better than Darkwa?  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/14/2018 6:44 am : link
Really? You people who love Darkwa really confuse me. It is very simple. Not only has Stewart been a proven quality RB for years, but HE CAN BLOCK and PICK UP THE BLITZ. He is not the best but as pointed out, not every player wants to come to NY. If you watch closely over the years with Darkwa, he is downright awful at picking up the blitz. There is a reason every year he is on the bubble of getting cut.There is more to being a RB than yardage. With a crap OL and TE's who are not great blockers it is imperative for your RB to be able to pick up a blitz.

Sorry for the rant. Lol.
Everyone on here said that  
Brown Recluse : 3/14/2018 6:44 am : link
DeAngelo Williams and Chris Johnson were done too when they left Carolina and Tennesee, respectively.

And both helped strengthen the running game for their next team.

BBI knows nothing.

I like this signing.
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