It's the structure of the contract that matters, not the length per se. A lot of five-year contracts really are two-year deals with a three-year option for the team since they are easy to cut after the second year. And they wind up with big numbers for the agents to tout, but most of the number is hypothetical.
if you want to lock in Ereck Flowers at guard. It's a significant change to go from operating on the edge to working in a confined space. Footwork is even more important and that's never been any kind of strong point for him. Not saying it can't work, but in my amateur opinion, guard isn't just a recycling bin for players who aren't good enough to play tackle. The players we've seen make the position switch and be good contributors are guys that are a LOT more fundamentally rock solid than Ereck Flowers.
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It's the structure of the contract that matters, not the length per se. A lot of five-year contracts really are two-year deals with a three-year option for the team since they are easy to cut after the second year. And they wind up with big numbers for the agents to tout, but most of the number is hypothetical.
On the draft front, the info I have is already a week old. The word was Barkley and Chubb are way up the board and sense was Nelson was behind them. No info on QB. Still six weeks to go and things could change, that's all I've got at the moment. I agree I'd go Darnold or Barkley, no interest in trading down and my limited looks at Chubb don't leave me thinking he's the #2 or #3 or #4 best prospect in this draft.
As for the braintrust, it's a new man in charge now and he values OL. Let's see if can lock up Solder.
RE: Giants were absolutely in on Norwell
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and Flowers isn't going to OG yet.
Makes sense. He should be moved to RT. Solder to left in theory. Still need to find two guards though.
and yet the Giant brain trust last season could have possibly signed LT's last season, but wanted them to play RT instead of Flowers....What does that say?
It says last year's brain trust had a lot invested in flowers and didn't want to admit they were wrong
Is real good. Not great but real good. I'd rate him as between the 8th and 12th best LT in football. Solid in protection and excellent in run game. 30 isn't old for tackles. Is say 4 years at 14 per is fine. That only takes him to age 33.
overlay for Solder they will have the fourth best LT in the NFC East
1) If this signing were to occur, I'd probably prefer Solder at LT than the Philly LT situation going forward. I'd also be concerned if I were Dallas about persistent back issues w/ Tyron Smith going forward.
2) NFC East LT position ranking isn't that relevant. Without a viable OL, especially LT, you lose the opportunity to develop the new QB (be it Webb or a rookie) or ride out the remainder of Manning's tenure effectively.
overlay for Solder they will have the fourth best LT in the NFC East
1) If this signing were to occur, I'd probably prefer Solder at LT than the Philly LT situation going forward. I'd also be concerned if I were Dallas about persistent back issues w/ Tyron Smith going forward.
2) NFC East LT position ranking isn't that relevant. Without a viable OL, especially LT, you lose the opportunity to develop the new QB (be it Webb or a rookie) or ride out the remainder of Manning's tenure effectively.
so the Giants would spend a ton of their cap on an OT. And still need more O-Linemen along with needing linebackers and now a secondary to replace DRC.
Yet you're making a point about "riding out Eli's tenure EFFECTIVELY?" What does "effectively" mean in terms of what would be your "expectation?"
rather not give Solder 13/14 million at his age, but that is the market for LTs, and we have no other options, especially if they are committed to Eli for another two years. And as someone said, this could solve two problems, because Flowers can move to RT.
As far as the draft, I'd prefer a small trade down, but am happy taking Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb in that order. Darnold would be my fifth option, and fourth choice.
overlay for Solder they will have the fourth best LT in the NFC East
1) If this signing were to occur, I'd probably prefer Solder at LT than the Philly LT situation going forward. I'd also be concerned if I were Dallas about persistent back issues w/ Tyron Smith going forward.
2) NFC East LT position ranking isn't that relevant. Without a viable OL, especially LT, you lose the opportunity to develop the new QB (be it Webb or a rookie) or ride out the remainder of Manning's tenure effectively.
so the Giants would spend a ton of their cap on an OT. And still need more O-Linemen along with needing linebackers and now a secondary to replace DRC.
Yet you're making a point about "riding out Eli's tenure EFFECTIVELY?" What does "effectively" mean in terms of what would be your "expectation?"
To be clear, I don't think Solder is = Tony Boselli. But he's a viable LT that allows your QB (Eli in the interim, but more importantly, he helps the protection of our new QB when that guy is selected and given time). It is not smart to introduce Webb or a rookie to NFL football in a similar fashion to how the Texans did it with David Carr.
He also allows NYG to move Flowers to RT where he has a chance to be adequate.
Lastly, it paves the way for premium draft picks to be spent where there is depth in the draft, the interior OL.
then Flowers moves to RT where he should be a better fit. Brett Jones is likely to start at center so that leaves both guard spots that need to be addressed. I fully expect this team to add a guard in the 2nd round with either Wynn, Hernandez, Price, or Smith.
That leaves the Giants with one spot to fill. One player to keep an eye on is Chad Wheeler. A few scouting reports suggested that he would be better at guard. He could compete to start at LG. If he wins the job he could potentially move outside in a couple of years to replace Solder or Flowers.
did for the Rams last year, I don't see how anybody could be against signing Solder. How about the impact a 37 year old Lomas Brown had on the Giants o-line in 2000. Everyone wants young, talented players, and I do as well. However, not every player has to be an upcoming star. Solder could be a very good player for us for 3-4 years, on an offense featuring some very good to exceptional talent at the skill positions.
teams have speed rushers over there now too. I'd rather see Solder and Pugh as the Tackles. I know some don't think Flowers can play G, but thats where I'd start him and let him battle it out.
I still think Flowers' weaknesses at LT will be a problem at RT. Â
Highly preferred Norwell, they tried and things didn't go the Giants way. A few other guys I had pegged as stop gaps aren't options. Only option outside of Solder may actually be Pugh, but both sides may have burned that bridge already. They'd have to get very creative in the 2nd phase of free agency, trades and/or the draft to avoid a repeat of last year's ineptitude on the unit.
If they can sign him for ~14m/yr and don't go nuts on the guarantees, I'm okay with out. Probably prefer that than giving Fleming what Hubbard got. If they drop their pants out of desperation, not so much. Kind of a beggers can't be choosers situation.
Giants, Texans, &Browns in on Solder. Browns making big run, which is concerning given their cap room
Joe Thomas set today as the deadline to decide whether he is retiring or not. The Browns with the amount of cap room that they have would be foolish to not pursue Solder. Even if Thomas does return, they can afford to have Solder as a back-up. It would not surprise me to see Thomas walk away. A former player once said that when you are contemplating retirement, you already are.
Didn't the Browns just sign Hubbard? Good grief. Â
Have lots of cap tied up now in Hubbard, Bitonio, Zietler. I’d be surprised if they went all in for Solder even if Thomas retires.
The Browns also gave JC Tretter a 3 year 16.75 million deal last year to go along with Donald Stephenson's 1 year 2.5 million this year. If Joe Thomas does retire they would save some cap room but I believe there would be some dead money as well. With their numerous picks I think the Browns will address LT in the second round of the draft. I could see them taking two OT's in round 2.
Both, with the caveat the draft is six weeks away.
Thanks JonC, I appreciate you responding. With that said I hope they change their mind. I just think it is a huge mistake to pass on adding a potential franchise QB at 2. If it were up to me it would be QB or trade down.
Both, with the caveat the draft is six weeks away.
Thanks JonC, I appreciate you responding. With that said I hope they change their mind. I just think it is a huge mistake to pass on adding a potential franchise QB at 2. If it were up to me it would be QB or trade down.
I totally agree. My preference would be Allen but none of these guys are perfect Andrew Luck like prospects...I am on board with whomever the NYG brass thinks is the best QB prospect.
RE: Amazing the lack of buzz Josh Rosen is getting.. Â
Really surprising to me. Darnold may be a clean prospect with his eyes set on football and a lot of talent, but man he makes terrible terrible reads/throws...constantly. If that holds true he will be an INT machine in the NFL. He doesn't seem like a game manager at all and his delivery needs work. Rosen has such a better arm and seems more knowledgeable. Makes all the throws. I get people are worried about the character issues, but if hes dedicated to football, then who cares what his personality is like. Big Ben, Brady, Rogers, Wilson all have their personality quirks. They all seem a bit arrogant and are jerks at times.
I'd trust they know what they are doing if they take Darnold, but I will for sure be much more excited for Rosen.
It looks like we have our new LT. Hoping the money isnt too outrageous, because this is a SOLID get. When healthy, Solder is a huge upgrade at LT. Not sure where this moves Flowers, but I am excited to see DG getting to work on this OL. This is still a guard-heavy draft, so I expect a top 2 round pick to be used on that position.
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It's the structure of the contract that matters, not the length per se. A lot of five-year contracts really are two-year deals with a three-year option for the team since they are easy to cut after the second year. And they wind up with big numbers for the agents to tout, but most of the number is hypothetical.
Agreed
As for the braintrust, it's a new man in charge now and he values OL. Let's see if can lock up Solder.
Jon in NYC : 8:21 am : link : reply
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and Flowers isn't going to OG yet.
Makes sense. He should be moved to RT. Solder to left in theory. Still need to find two guards though.
and yet the Giant brain trust last season could have possibly signed LT's last season, but wanted them to play RT instead of Flowers....What does that say?
It says last year's brain trust had a lot invested in flowers and didn't want to admit they were wrong
1) If this signing were to occur, I'd probably prefer Solder at LT than the Philly LT situation going forward. I'd also be concerned if I were Dallas about persistent back issues w/ Tyron Smith going forward.
2) NFC East LT position ranking isn't that relevant. Without a viable OL, especially LT, you lose the opportunity to develop the new QB (be it Webb or a rookie) or ride out the remainder of Manning's tenure effectively.
Thanks Captain Obvious
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overlay for Solder they will have the fourth best LT in the NFC East
1) If this signing were to occur, I'd probably prefer Solder at LT than the Philly LT situation going forward. I'd also be concerned if I were Dallas about persistent back issues w/ Tyron Smith going forward.
2) NFC East LT position ranking isn't that relevant. Without a viable OL, especially LT, you lose the opportunity to develop the new QB (be it Webb or a rookie) or ride out the remainder of Manning's tenure effectively.
so the Giants would spend a ton of their cap on an OT. And still need more O-Linemen along with needing linebackers and now a secondary to replace DRC.
Yet you're making a point about "riding out Eli's tenure EFFECTIVELY?" What does "effectively" mean in terms of what would be your "expectation?"
As far as the draft, I'd prefer a small trade down, but am happy taking Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb in that order. Darnold would be my fifth option, and fourth choice.
Nope, the Redskins put a 2nd round tender on Nsekhe.
I think the Redskins gave him a second round tender.
If Solder is signed then Flowers and Wheeler will compete for the RT job.
It will be Flowers if they sign Solder.
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overlay for Solder they will have the fourth best LT in the NFC East
1) If this signing were to occur, I'd probably prefer Solder at LT than the Philly LT situation going forward. I'd also be concerned if I were Dallas about persistent back issues w/ Tyron Smith going forward.
2) NFC East LT position ranking isn't that relevant. Without a viable OL, especially LT, you lose the opportunity to develop the new QB (be it Webb or a rookie) or ride out the remainder of Manning's tenure effectively.
so the Giants would spend a ton of their cap on an OT. And still need more O-Linemen along with needing linebackers and now a secondary to replace DRC.
Yet you're making a point about "riding out Eli's tenure EFFECTIVELY?" What does "effectively" mean in terms of what would be your "expectation?"
To be clear, I don't think Solder is = Tony Boselli. But he's a viable LT that allows your QB (Eli in the interim, but more importantly, he helps the protection of our new QB when that guy is selected and given time). It is not smart to introduce Webb or a rookie to NFL football in a similar fashion to how the Texans did it with David Carr.
He also allows NYG to move Flowers to RT where he has a chance to be adequate.
Lastly, it paves the way for premium draft picks to be spent where there is depth in the draft, the interior OL.
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The Giants also currently do not have a right tackle.
It will be Flowers if they sign Solder.
At RT over Guard? Feels that puts Bisnowaty and Wheeler in back up positions.
Would be interesting if the Giants came back and offered Pugh a LG contract (less money then OT)
That leaves the Giants with one spot to fill. One player to keep an eye on is Chad Wheeler. A few scouting reports suggested that he would be better at guard. He could compete to start at LG. If he wins the job he could potentially move outside in a couple of years to replace Solder or Flowers.
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The Giants also currently do not have a right tackle.
It will be Flowers if they sign Solder.
At RT over Guard? Feels that puts Bisnowaty and Wheeler in back up positions.
Would be interesting if the Giants came back and offered Pugh a LG contract (less money then OT)
Flowers is not an OG. If they sign a LT, Flowers is going to get every chance to succeed at RT next.
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If browns take Darnold do you have us taking Barkley?
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Is this what you would do or is that what your hearing?
If they can sign him for ~14m/yr and don't go nuts on the guarantees, I'm okay with out. Probably prefer that than giving Fleming what Hubbard got. If they drop their pants out of desperation, not so much. Kind of a beggers can't be choosers situation.
Joe Thomas set today as the deadline to decide whether he is retiring or not. The Browns with the amount of cap room that they have would be foolish to not pursue Solder. Even if Thomas does return, they can afford to have Solder as a back-up. It would not surprise me to see Thomas walk away. A former player once said that when you are contemplating retirement, you already are.
They did. I suspect he'll be their RT.
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If browns take Darnold do you have us taking Barkley?
Yes.
Is this what you would do or is that what your hearing?
Both, with the caveat the draft is six weeks away.
The Browns also gave JC Tretter a 3 year 16.75 million deal last year to go along with Donald Stephenson's 1 year 2.5 million this year. If Joe Thomas does retire they would save some cap room but I believe there would be some dead money as well. With their numerous picks I think the Browns will address LT in the second round of the draft. I could see them taking two OT's in round 2.
Both, with the caveat the draft is six weeks away.
Thanks JonC, I appreciate you responding. With that said I hope they change their mind. I just think it is a huge mistake to pass on adding a potential franchise QB at 2. If it were up to me it would be QB or trade down.
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Both, with the caveat the draft is six weeks away.
Thanks JonC, I appreciate you responding. With that said I hope they change their mind. I just think it is a huge mistake to pass on adding a potential franchise QB at 2. If it were up to me it would be QB or trade down.
I totally agree. My preference would be Allen but none of these guys are perfect Andrew Luck like prospects...I am on board with whomever the NYG brass thinks is the best QB prospect.
Really surprising to me. Darnold may be a clean prospect with his eyes set on football and a lot of talent, but man he makes terrible terrible reads/throws...constantly. If that holds true he will be an INT machine in the NFL. He doesn't seem like a game manager at all and his delivery needs work. Rosen has such a better arm and seems more knowledgeable. Makes all the throws. I get people are worried about the character issues, but if hes dedicated to football, then who cares what his personality is like. Big Ben, Brady, Rogers, Wilson all have their personality quirks. They all seem a bit arrogant and are jerks at times.
I'd trust they know what they are doing if they take Darnold, but I will for sure be much more excited for Rosen.