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It is early, but what I donít get

Painless62 : 3/14/2018 8:31 am
Obviously this is too early to post this and things might look very different in a few days, but I wonder why we arenít hearing about filling other holes. By my count we need to add about 16 real NFL caliber players to field a competitive team. I count about 4 DB, 3 LB, 1 DL, 4 OL, 2 WR , 2 RB. Feel free to sub in a 2 way TE and subtract a WR as Engram is sort of a hybrid. These are players who would be starters or see significant playing time. I understand the need for OL, but I hope we see at least 6 FA signings. Even if we trade back in the draft, there are a ton of players needed. If we donít trade back, only 5 picks is not much. There might be a bunch of UDFA on this team. I emphasize there is still tons that may happen, including trading OBJ for picks and the trade back scenario. Iím not saying what I want to be done, just doing the math.
The salary cap is a puzzle  
JonC : 3/14/2018 8:35 am : link
spend on the big ticket items first while they're available and you've got the cap space to do it.

From there, fill in the holes and then create extra cap space as required, eg, Harris and Marshall can be let go for cap space.
I agree  
DonQuixote : 3/14/2018 8:35 am : link
This is also why I donít get that someone would rather get an RB in the draft over Stewart or an LT over Solder. There are just not enough picks.
Many Giants fans don't remember the last time we were in the position  
UberAlias : 3/14/2018 8:38 am : link
So what's the focus in most minds is what to do @ #2. Beyond that, after years of wide-spread ineffectiveness the Oline is going to get most of the focus, and has all but been declared job 1.
I don't think going in to free agency with a quota  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/14/2018 8:41 am : link
that you have to sign x amount of players is the right way to go about it. If you approach free agency thinking you need to fill all the holes in the roster, it's a good way to get yourself tied up in cap problems.

you just try to find pieces that support your goal for that offseason. With the problems they have, it's not a 1 year fix.
This Free Agency period  
jvm52106 : 3/14/2018 8:55 am : link
will be a little strange. The players we really want (or kind of players we really want) are not available. Norwell was interesting but we lost out to a better team, closer to winning it all and one that has a better Tax situation. Its not like we lost out to Cleveland with same money on the table. The Jags were close to the big game and if they had beaten the Pats I think their defense would have beat up on Philly.

Solder right now is a main target but we may not get him even with an overpay scenario. He just may not want to be here.
I think the critical positions needing to be filled  
Simms11 : 3/14/2018 9:03 am : link
in Free Agency are Oline and LBer. The other positions require better depth, but we have starters there. Oline and LBer positions are still short starters, especially if we are looking at more of a 3-4 look on D. As DG has mentioned, we can't go into the draft shopping hungry and so those positions need to be filled out first and then I think we'll find some bargains later on to round out our depth. The draft might bring in a couple starters, however, most of those players will not be starters this year.
Gettleman is good at the draft &  
RetroJint : 3/14/2018 9:06 am : link
evaluation generally , which allows him to find under-the-radar-type talent . Abrams will help him with the cap and contracts . The plan is in place for a two-year rebuild/transition model. He probably expects to lose10 games in Ď18. They wonít say any of that but make book-itís true .
We had about 20 UFA's....  
Doomster : 3/14/2018 9:07 am : link
How many of those do you think we re-sign?

Well, we did sign Herz, wupdeeefreakindoo.......

About a third of them were starters....

Kennard is gone and Ogletree is signed....upgrade...but he comes with a price.....he is paid more than our entire linebacking group last season...

Stewart? I think we have more pressing needs to spend his money on....

But let's face it, the free agents that are out there are not going to turn this team around in one year......we are going to have to fill this roster with vet min players, and we have to hit on the draft.....

How many players from our drafts become starters, and play at a level expected of them? One? Sometimes two?

The new regime has to change that.....
Retro  
JonC : 3/14/2018 9:11 am : link
Yep, operating under a 2-3 rebuild plan is what I'd heard.
Build as you go...normal operation  
Rafflee : 3/14/2018 9:18 am : link
The only 2-3 year "build" is when you dont have a qb...otherwise, the NFL is a constant Build. Teams that are set at the core are 1-offseasn build to playoff...if there's as QB....an dI guess thats the main friction here, and it will be over the next 1-5 years.

ALL offensive Lines suck...so they're an anchor or two plus fills from being "survivable suck/passable".

All NFL teams are begging for DB's..always. It's the second NotForLong position, behind RB...so, you al;ways need dbs.

At the Core, the team needs some DL Depth, an O Line anchor or Two, maybe another LB, and an RB---- thats my FA menu....maybe a Receiver. The rest is Draft and UDFA/Camp Competes without contracts.
Proper Plan  
Painless62 : 3/14/2018 9:25 am : link
I think you want to enter the draft with at least a reasonable starting line up. We absolutely canít fill all the holes in FA, but need to fill some. I go back and forth on the draft an OBJ. Gun to my head I would trade back, maybe even twice, and get as many top 100 draft choices as possible. As I have stated before , the 3 rd round has produced the most starting OL. There are great RB to be had throughout the draft. Adding 3 young OL picked by DG with a dynamic RB or 2 is a quick way to competing. Play the keep a way game and keep the D fresh . OBJ would not only garner probably 2 picks, but you wonít be committing so much money to a position that is usually not the difference maker . Adding 4 extra picks would truly help stock the roster. Trade him to Cleveland. He can play with his bud. Somehow Cleveland will still screw it up even with the most talent in the league . Plus it would be fun to watch him try and party in Cleveland.
Primarily  
pjcas18 : 3/14/2018 9:28 am : link
because despite some people's protests that cap space is a magical mythical ethereal substance, it is very real and the Giants don't have a lot of it.

they are limited in the moves they can make in 2018 and have players to sign like Beckham and Collins.
The one thing I really like about this new  
Section331 : 3/14/2018 9:30 am : link
administration is that we don't hear much of anything. Gettleman runs a tight ship, so let's allow it to play out before deciding this offseason was a failure.
Painless has a wish list that is not realistic this year.  
Ivan15 : 3/14/2018 9:35 am : link
This year, there will be a lot of JAGs signed in free agency, including Re-signings.

They need to stabilize the starting lineup even if they fill in with marginal starters who will be replaced in a year or two.
Oh stop  
djm : 3/14/2018 9:41 am : link
16 players?

Well trade down scenarios took a big hit yesterday as many QB needy  
wgenesis123 : 3/14/2018 10:13 am : link
teams addressed that need to a degree. Now its true that some or all may still look to draft a QB but the urgency to do so is not the same. The desire to trade up to get a QB is just not going to be the same for some of these teams. Buffalo who is one of the least attractive options remains as a trading partner with less competition. There may still be a dark horse out there like KC last year who steps up but that remains to be seen.
RE: Retro  
mattyblue : 3/14/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13864002 JonC said:
Quote:
Yep, operating under a 2-3 rebuild plan is what I'd heard.


Jon if you hear itís a 2-3 year rebuild or whatever you want to call it, how can the Giants justify not drafting a QB at 2? Eli has looked pretty awful and I donít think anyone could possibly believe he will look good in 3 years. Webb has no tape and not to many people think the world of him. I always appreciate your opinions not just what though hear. What are your thoughts on this?
UDFA  
Dragon : 3/14/2018 1:06 pm : link
Your funds keep going down as you sign these vets the end of the rainbow is only so far away.
RE: RE: Retro  
JonC : 3/14/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13864181 mattyblue said:
Quote:
In comment 13864002 JonC said:


Quote:


Yep, operating under a 2-3 rebuild plan is what I'd heard.



Jon if you hear itís a 2-3 year rebuild or whatever you want to call it, how can the Giants justify not drafting a QB at 2? Eli has looked pretty awful and I donít think anyone could possibly believe he will look good in 3 years. Webb has no tape and not to many people think the world of him. I always appreciate your opinions not just what though hear. What are your thoughts on this?


I would pick Darnold if he's there, that hasn't changed since the middle of last Fall. But, it's been dead quiet on NYG/QB unless they're really keeping a lid on it. To this point, it seems they're to reload for 2018 more than rebuild.

Suppose you could say they're not in a position to really begin ripping it apart now if you look at the acceleration of cap hits etc. Perhaps they're going to ride it until there's no choice but to rip it apart.

imo  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/14/2018 3:40 pm : link
the Giants are going to surprise a bunch of you next year -- I don;t think this is a two r three year rebuild process --

It's a yearly process to put as competitive a team as you can on the field, and build using all the resources at your command -- be it FA, Trade, Draft or dealing with your own players/staff
gidie  
JonC : 3/14/2018 3:50 pm : link
2-3 year rebuild came from inside the org ...
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