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Giants Expected to Sign Kareem Martin

adamg : 3/14/2018 10:15 am
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The #Giants are expected to sign former #AZCardinals OLB Kareem Martin, source said, and his familiarity with new DC James Bettcher should help.
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Athletic, ascending player, system fit  
AcesUp : 3/14/2018 10:29 am : link
They need to hit on these mid-tier FAs for the Giants to have a chance of turning this around.
Good depth signing  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2018 10:29 am : link
He could play opposite Vernon in the 3-4 packages. Hopefully he is one of those surprise breakout players that ends up with 8-10 sacks this season.
Similar to the FA RB  
idiotsavant : 3/14/2018 10:30 am : link
You want a player on each side in this transition who knows the system and kniws the OC/DC and can be a center of gravity in the locker room.

Makes sense.

In long down and distance, if you move JPP to the front 3... you will start to have a variety of decent sized pass rushers. Attacking many varied ways. Conversely. If OV is not on the line I thought olb , but vs a bug run team, ilb at times.

I still target a blue chip nose type DT though. To free up smaller draft pick cover lbs behind them.
RE: Similar to the FA RB  
Brown Recluse : 3/14/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13864238 idiotsavant said:
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You want a player on each side in this transition who knows the system and kniws the OC/DC and can be a center of gravity in the locker room.

Makes sense.

In long down and distance, if you move JPP to the front 3... you will start to have a variety of decent sized pass rushers. Attacking many varied ways. Conversely. If OV is not on the line I thought olb , but vs a bug run team, ilb at times.

I still target a blue chip nose type DT though. To free up smaller draft pick cover lbs behind them.


Thank you, Confucious.
I suspect  
bc4life : 3/14/2018 10:35 am : link
he will wind up being more than a depth signing
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christian : 3/14/2018 10:36 am : link
It's becoming very clear this will be a 3-4 base team.

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Jay on the Island : 3/14/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 13864252 christian said:
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It's becoming very clear this will be a 3-4 base team.

The pieces are there now
LB Martin Goodson Ogletree Vernon
DL JPP Harrison Tomlinson
DL  
Sammo85 : 3/14/2018 10:38 am : link
is still a need IMO, as well as another LB as insurance against Goodson.
Wait?!?!?  
AdamBrag : 3/14/2018 10:38 am : link
We signed someone who can help get Vernon and JPP a break and not need to play every snap? Why would we want to do that?

This is likely a great signing.
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Breeze_94 : 3/14/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13864254 Jay on the Island said:
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It's becoming very clear this will be a 3-4 base team.



The pieces are there now
LB Martin Goodson Ogletree Vernon
DL JPP Harrison Tomlinson


I don't hate that front 7. Plus, the draft still to come. NEED depth, especially on the DL. Who is going to back-up Snacks- that is a big part of the rotation. A guy who will be playing about 40% of the snaps in the base D.
Its a good signing for a lot reasons  
Peppers : 3/14/2018 10:41 am : link
-Knows the defense
-Potential
-Extra Pass rusher NYG sorely needed behind Vernon and JPP
-Starter down the road?

When I went back to watch Bettchers Defense to get an idea on what his Defense will look like I noticed they used Martin in a variety of roles ranging from a stand up rusher to one of the two down lineman in certain packages. He has versatility that Bettcher likes.
We can likely find..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/14/2018 10:42 am : link
a big body DT after early cuts or even in late rounds of the draft or UDFA. I think that can be one of the cheaper options to fill for a backup.
RE: RE: He has some upside  
Breeze_94 : 3/14/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13864229 Brown Recluse said:
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just turned 26 years old, had his best season last year.

I'm guessing its should be in the 4mil APY range



$4 per year for a backup? We'll see. His *best season* was 24 tackles and 1 sack. If his old D coordinator wants him here, he must have some value.


He started 10 games last year. And yea, 4 mil is probably on the lower side too. But thats the way the market is going. Backup/borderline starters are getting paid. He is young and ascending.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2018 10:43 am : link

Mike Garafolo
‏Verified account @MikeGarafolo
35s35 seconds ago

Mike Garafolo Retweeted Ian Rapoport

Wanted him bad in the 2011 draft. Finally get him.
Perfect for Bettchers defense  
Earl the goat : 3/14/2018 10:43 am : link
I wrote this in a post 6 weeks ago that Giants should target Martin and Attachou
RE: NOOOOOOOOOO........  
Earl the goat : 3/14/2018 10:44 am : link
In comment 13864184 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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He'll be overpaid, too old, too slow and too many other things I can't muster up to bitch about right now. Must just contain foaming at mouth......



How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one
RE: RE: NOOOOOOOOOO........  
Brown Recluse : 3/14/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 13864292 Earl the goat said:
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He'll be overpaid, too old, too slow and too many other things I can't muster up to bitch about right now. Must just contain foaming at mouth......




How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one


That, my good man - is what we call sarcasm.
RE: RE: NOOOOOOOOOO........  
Pep22 : 3/14/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13864292 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 13864184 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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He'll be overpaid, too old, too slow and too many other things I can't muster up to bitch about right now. Must just contain foaming at mouth......




How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one


He was kidding.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13864263 Breeze_94 said:
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It's becoming very clear this will be a 3-4 base team.



The pieces are there now
LB Martin Goodson Ogletree Vernon
DL JPP Harrison Tomlinson



I don't hate that front 7. Plus, the draft still to come. NEED depth, especially on the DL. Who is going to back-up Snacks- that is a big part of the rotation. A guy who will be playing about 40% of the snaps in the base D.

I'm hoping for Shaq Griffin in round 4.
RE: RE: NOOOOOOOOOO........  
madeinstars : 3/14/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13864292 Earl the goat said:
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He'll be overpaid, too old, too slow and too many other things I can't muster up to bitch about right now. Must just contain foaming at mouth......




How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one


I think (hope?) he was being facetious.
Breeze +1  
idiotsavant : 3/14/2018 10:52 am : link
One of Via, settle, dnadi, hill, Jones, lotulele in no particular order, probably others.

And not just to spell Harrison, though, to play next to him as well.

Dnadi smaller than target but forced fumbles show you a lot.
RE: We can likely find..  
Mike in NY : 3/14/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13864272 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a big body DT after early cuts or even in late rounds of the draft or UDFA. I think that can be one of the cheaper options to fill for a backup.


Philly signed Haloti Ngata and with their cap situation that may not allow them to sign Beau Allen
Hope he's an ascending player?!  
Simms11 : 3/14/2018 10:55 am : link
Here's his stats over the past 4 years:

41 total tackles, 10 assisted tackles, and 4.5 sacks. Not the picture of production, but maybe a change of scenery will help. Keep in mind it's most likely the same scheme he just came from.
I really like the two lb signings  
idiotsavant : 3/14/2018 10:58 am : link
Due to draft strategy.

Draft safety/lbs or even a larger zone savvy corner.

and a true NDT .

You can never have enough players who can INT... and no such thing as 'too big for DT' that's just silly. Too tall? OK, sometimes that happens. But too heavy? If the player can move, wheres the problem?
Martin  
stretch234 : 3/14/2018 11:00 am : link
For all the Kennard bashing, this guy has played 4 more career games, with 6 less sacks and 100 less tackles

I would not pay Kennard what Detroit did, but this is merely replacing a departed player with a cheaper player - nothing wrong with that



The Garafo comment is promising  
lono801 : 3/14/2018 11:18 am : link
That's great news
Expect this guy is a better fit vs kennard  
idiotsavant : 3/14/2018 11:23 am : link
In that the olbs will be crashing down and attacking runs as well as passer, both inside and outside, and this player has more legit weight and power????
Was he a starter for the Cardinals?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/14/2018 11:27 am : link
His stats say he played in all 16 games, but only had 24 total tackles (18 solo). Doesn't seem to be much for a starting LB. Kennard had 41 total tackles and missed a couple games with injuries.
keep in mind they have  
bc4life : 3/14/2018 11:38 am : link
had a very good defense for a few years
He can play 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB  
JonC : 3/14/2018 11:56 am : link
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RE: ...  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/14/2018 12:16 pm : link
Mike Garafolo
‏Verified account @MikeGarafolo
35s35 seconds ago

Mike Garafolo Retweeted Ian Rapoport

Wanted him bad in the 2011 draft. Finally get him.

Eric, This is referring to Solder.
RE: The Garafo comment is promising  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/14/2018 12:17 pm : link
It's in reference to Solder.
Aren't 2 FA LB signings  
old man : 3/14/2018 12:41 pm : link
In 1 offseason the = of Reese's 11 offseason?

RE: RE: NOOOOOOOOOO........  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/14/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13864292 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 13864184 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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He'll be overpaid, too old, too slow and too many other things I can't muster up to bitch about right now. Must just contain foaming at mouth......




How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one


Sarcasm bro
Yup, right after they officially sign a Norwell.  
Ivan15 : 3/14/2018 1:02 pm : link
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I'm hoping for Shaq Griffin in round 4.  
Torrag : 3/14/2018 3:17 pm : link
That's a tad too early for my liking...
RE: Aren't 2 FA LB signings  
Mike in NY : 3/14/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13864836 old man said:
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In 1 offseason the = of Reese's 11 offseason?


We did Casillas and J.T. Thomas in the same offeseason under Reese
RE: RE: He has some upside  
Jersey55 : 3/14/2018 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13864229 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13864217 Breeze_94 said:


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just turned 26 years old, had his best season last year.

I'm guessing its should be in the 4mil APY range



$4 per year for a backup? We'll see. His *best season* was 24 tackles and 1 sack. If his old D coordinator wants him here, he must have some value.

at this point in time nobody on this team is a backup or starter they are all competing, except Solder....
RE: RE: RE: He has some upside  
Pep22 : 3/14/2018 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13865889 Jersey55 said:
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In comment 13864229 Brown Recluse said:


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In comment 13864217 Breeze_94 said:


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just turned 26 years old, had his best season last year.

I'm guessing its should be in the 4mil APY range



$4 per year for a backup? We'll see. His *best season* was 24 tackles and 1 sack. If his old D coordinator wants him here, he must have some value.


at this point in time nobody on this team is a backup or starter they are all competing, except Solder....


and OBJ, EE, LC, Snacks, OV, JJ.
RE: RE: We can likely find..  
Reale01 : 3/14/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13864381 Mike in NY said:
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a big body DT after early cuts or even in late rounds of the draft or UDFA. I think that can be one of the cheaper options to fill for a backup.



Philly signed Haloti Ngata and with their cap situation that may not allow them to sign Beau Allen


Philly targeting Suh
Interesting comments from Boylhart back in 2014...  
Milton : 3/14/2018 7:01 pm : link
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I donít think Kareem is a boom or bust player -- I think he will be an impact player or just a solid player. His effort and football intelligence are not a question. His reaction time to what he sees and his ability to use his full athletic talent is. Add to that his lack of techniques when rushing the passer or stuffing the run and you have a player with enormous athletic talent that is not playing up to that athletic talent, but not from a lack of work ethic or intelligence. Kareem is the type of player who could sneak into the first round, but for me I think his LTI (length to impact) is long enough to suggest that he might not peak until his first contract is up.

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I think this has a chance  
Breeze_94 : 3/14/2018 7:52 pm : link
to be one of those signings that we look back on as a great value. This guy has just started to scratch the surface. He is an athletic freak .

He had a really good game vs the Giants this year.

I'm hoping he continues to ascend, and becomes a 6-7 sack guy who plays the run very well. He already does a great job setting the edge.
3 years $21 million  
jeff57 : 3/14/2018 9:05 pm : link
7.5 guaranteed.
3 years/21m (7.5m gtd) - figured it would be higher than expected  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2018 9:09 pm : link
but that seems like starter money. My expectation was that he'd be similar to Kennard, at that price I'd hope he's better than that. This would also make it appear the LB's are somewhat set.

OLB - Vernon, Martin, Moss (maybe some JPP/Okwara)
ILB - Ogletree, Goodson

I assume they'll add a couple other rookies along the way too.
Someone had the same concerns in another thread  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/14/2018 9:13 pm : link
7.5 guaranteed would rank 28th among Outside Linebackers.

Not must to see here.
RE: Interesting comments from Boylhart back in 2014...  
DennyInDenville : 3/14/2018 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13866140 Milton said:
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I donít think Kareem is a boom or bust player -- I think he will be an impact player or just a solid player. His effort and football intelligence are not a question. His reaction time to what he sees and his ability to use his full athletic talent is. Add to that his lack of techniques when rushing the passer or stuffing the run and you have a player with enormous athletic talent that is not playing up to that athletic talent, but not from a lack of work ethic or intelligence. Kareem is the type of player who could sneak into the first round, but for me I think his LTI (length to impact) is long enough to suggest that he might not peak until his first contract is up.

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I concur. Nice post. I agree with that just by looking at his body, draft profile and NFL stats.

Seems big for LB but obviously Belcher knows him and knows he can play OLB and I'm assuming he's going to play some DE in 4-5 man fronts
Also he played a lot of basketball  
DennyInDenville : 3/14/2018 10:25 pm : link
If he can sit in the right spots in coverage his INT numbers can improve as he has the hands to catch those dumb passes over the middle QBs make so often when they get pressured
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allstarjim : 3/15/2018 6:30 am : link
In comment 13865994 Reale01 said:
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a big body DT after early cuts or even in late rounds of the draft or UDFA. I think that can be one of the cheaper options to fill for a backup.



Philly signed Haloti Ngata and with their cap situation that may not allow them to sign Beau Allen



Philly targeting Suh


Suh next to Fletcher Cox would be dominant.
RE: Someone had the same concerns in another thread  
Eric on Li : 3/15/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 13866364 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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7.5 guaranteed would rank 28th among Outside Linebackers.

Not must to see here.


That's a fair point, I guess the question is whether they think he's just a solid middle of the pack LB or if he's got some untapped potential. Is he Bettcher's version of Kennard, or is he like one of those guys who rides the bench in Pittsburgh for 3 or 4 years and then breaks out with more playing time when the guy ahead of him leaves?
Breeze  
bc4life : 3/15/2018 9:03 am : link
I was watching those highlights yesterday, every defensive player had a great game - completely dominated Giants' offense.
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