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The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get.
best case scenario, he thrives at right tackle where he doesn't have the pressure of protecting the blind side. worst case, he sulks at the perceived demotion, withdraws and gets benched and then cut.
is left tackle. Now that we've done that, there are a number of good guard in this draft. I would so like to get Isaiah Wynn for left guard, but he should be gone before our 2nd round pick.
this was a desperation move after not getting Norwell and they prob threw the bank at him. I mean, every move on the OL is a desperation move at this point. If the money is close to the same as Norwell, I think I'd rather of had Norwell, but LT is much harder to find than G.
Good get regardless. Will definitely make the OL better. Sitton on the cheap would be a great signing.
Solder..Sitton..Jones..???...Flowers would be a great start to a turnaround on the OL.
Anyone have good scouting on him? How good is he really? I've heard mixed comments.
I think wheeler showed better feet last year than flowers ever has. A year in the weight room and he can go from 310 to 340 with his height and not lose an once of quickness. Don't know if flowers can actually play OG but I just think wheeler has more potential. Sadly since flowers was a 10 pick. But that's a sunk cost and we need to do what's best moving forward
that has always been Flowers more natural position. I expect he'll have to compete for it with a rookie or lower cost veteran, but he'll likely win that battle and go on to be a very good RT.
Now time for DG to find the next Norwells at the guard spots.
Flowers needs to be at guard or on the bench. His problems at left tackle will be problems at right tackle as well.
Disagree - his biggest problem is technique, which has improved year to year and would face a much bigger learning curve kicking inside to guard.
I think wheeler showed better feet last year than flowers ever has. A year in the weight room and he can go from 310 to 340 with his height and not lose an once of quickness. Don't know if flowers can actually play OG but I just think wheeler has more potential. Sadly since flowers was a 10 pick. But that's a sunk cost and we need to do what's best moving forward
Flowers ideal weight is in the 310-325 range. He isn't getting up to 340.
who is scared shitless by this signing. Solder seems like he's always nursing an injury and yeah, he didn't miss any games this past season... during a contract year. And generally he has been fine as far as making it through a season goes but I don't know. The guy seems like a ticking time bomb, more so than most players. He probably won't be as likely at 30+ years old to will himself through injuries now that he has a fat contract.
I'm glad they have him if the reports are true and that they're actually doing something to try and fix the line. I just hope the guy stays healthy and that it's structured in a way that they can bail in a couple of years if he's not working out.
The price-tag will be big, but it's arguably the biggest need on the team. The Giants stabilized a position that has been a major issue for 4 or so years.
So far in this offseason, we've added a good LT and a good LB. Took a ton of money to do it, but at least those 2 major weaknesses now become positions of stability.
I think wheeler showed better feet last year than flowers ever has. A year in the weight room and he can go from 310 to 340 with his height and not lose an once of quickness. Don't know if flowers can actually play OG but I just think wheeler has more potential. Sadly since flowers was a 10 pick. But that's a sunk cost and we need to do what's best moving forward
Flowers ideal weight is in the 310-325 range. He isn't getting up to 340.
Solder isn't great but he's a legitimate LT. This also has a domino effect in that we can now move Flowers and figure out if he's better suited on the right side or even in the interior.
Yeah we paid good money here, but I think it was necessary.
The idea of drafting Nelson is pretty appealing to me. This line could transform quite a bit in one year if we were to get him.
Solder isn't great but he's a legitimate LT. This also has a domino effect in that we can now move Flowers and figure out if he's better suited on the right side or even in the interior.
Yeah we paid good money here, but I think it was necessary.
The idea of drafting Nelson is pretty appealing to me. This line could transform quite a bit in one year if we were to get him.
Only if they traded down. I don't see the benefit of using such a high pick on a guard when they could get a very good guard in round 2.
Solder isn't great but he's a legitimate LT. This also has a domino effect in that we can now move Flowers and figure out if he's better suited on the right side or even in the interior.
Yeah we paid good money here, but I think it was necessary.
The idea of drafting Nelson is pretty appealing to me. This line could transform quite a bit in one year if we were to get him.
Only if they traded down. I don't see the benefit of using such a high pick on a guard when they could get a very good guard in round 2.
I wouldn't take Nelson @ 2 - I've said that the only 2 guys I'd take there are Barkley or Rosen.
If not, I'd move down a few spots for Nelson or Fitzpatrick if the trade opp is there.
I need to come away with one of those 4 players if I am NYG, though.
Solder isn't great but he's a legitimate LT. This also has a domino effect in that we can now move Flowers and figure out if he's better suited on the right side or even in the interior.
Yeah we paid good money here, but I think it was necessary.
The idea of drafting Nelson is pretty appealing to me. This line could transform quite a bit in one year if we were to get him.
Agreed. Cant just look at Solder and the cap number in a vacuum. Has a multiplier effect on the rest of the line and flexibility in making other moves on the line.
LT-Solder
LG-empty
C-Jones
RG-Jerry (at the moment)
RT-Flowers
So we still need two guards. Guards can be had so not a huge freak out moment and we have VETs to help if need for a season.
I'm also very excited to see Flowers on the right side. I think he is going to really make a comeback over there.
Good get regardless. Will definitely make the OL better. Sitton on the cheap would be a great signing.
Solder..Sitton..Jones..???...Flowers would be a great start to a turnaround on the OL.
Anyone have good scouting on him? How good is he really? I've heard mixed comments.
I'm also very excited to see Flowers on the right side. I think he is going to really make a comeback over there.
I still think Flowers would be better suited inside at LG...but we will see.
Solder-Hernandez-Jones-Pugh-Flowers, or Solder-Hernandez-Jones-Flowers-Pugh.
Either way its much, much better
Pugh lol no thanks
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that has always been Flowers more natural position. I expect he'll have to compete for it with a rookie or lower cost veteran, but he'll likely win that battle and go on to be a very good RT.
Now time for DG to find the next Norwells at the guard spots.
Flowers needs to be at guard or on the bench. His problems at left tackle will be problems at right tackle as well.
Disagree - his biggest problem is technique, which has improved year to year and would face a much bigger learning curve kicking inside to guard.
My guess is this is Flowers last year considering his resume here and the situation at the end of 17 season.
Flowers ideal weight is in the 310-325 range. He isn't getting up to 340.
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Giants are expected to give former Patriots LT Nate Solder a four-year, $60 million deal, per source.
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Giants are expected to give former Patriots LT Nate Solder a four-year, $60 million deal, per source.
I'm glad they have him if the reports are true and that they're actually doing something to try and fix the line. I just hope the guy stays healthy and that it's structured in a way that they can bail in a couple of years if he's not working out.
So far in this offseason, we've added a good LT and a good LB. Took a ton of money to do it, but at least those 2 major weaknesses now become positions of stability.
It's going to be a lot. Top LT of the FA class piggy-backing off Whitworth's play and salary. All the $ seem inflated again this year.
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I think wheeler showed better feet last year than flowers ever has. A year in the weight room and he can go from 310 to 340 with his height and not lose an once of quickness. Don't know if flowers can actually play OG but I just think wheeler has more potential. Sadly since flowers was a 10 pick. But that's a sunk cost and we need to do what's best moving forward
Flowers ideal weight is in the 310-325 range. He isn't getting up to 340.
Sorry not Flowers Wheeler.
Yeah we paid good money here, but I think it was necessary.
The idea of drafting Nelson is pretty appealing to me. This line could transform quite a bit in one year if we were to get him.
agreed but this is one of those scenarios where the need justifies the money, despite overpaying.
Yeah we paid good money here, but I think it was necessary.
The idea of drafting Nelson is pretty appealing to me. This line could transform quite a bit in one year if we were to get him.
Only if they traded down. I don't see the benefit of using such a high pick on a guard when they could get a very good guard in round 2.
Solder struggled at the beginning of last year, is going to be 30. He pulled it together and was very good in the stretch run.
It will be nice to see the difference at LT. But I hope he is able to stay healthy, otherwise this contract could end up looking REALLY ugly.
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Solder isn't great but he's a legitimate LT. This also has a domino effect in that we can now move Flowers and figure out if he's better suited on the right side or even in the interior.
Yeah we paid good money here, but I think it was necessary.
The idea of drafting Nelson is pretty appealing to me. This line could transform quite a bit in one year if we were to get him.
Only if they traded down. I don't see the benefit of using such a high pick on a guard when they could get a very good guard in round 2.
I wouldn't take Nelson @ 2 - I've said that the only 2 guys I'd take there are Barkley or Rosen.
If not, I'd move down a few spots for Nelson or Fitzpatrick if the trade opp is there.
I need to come away with one of those 4 players if I am NYG, though.
The #Giants are signing LT Nate Solder to a 4-year deal worth $62M, source said, with $35M guaranteed. The highest paid OL in the NFL. 💰💰💰
Yeah we paid good money here, but I think it was necessary.
The idea of drafting Nelson is pretty appealing to me. This line could transform quite a bit in one year if we were to get him.
Agreed. Cant just look at Solder and the cap number in a vacuum. Has a multiplier effect on the rest of the line and flexibility in making other moves on the line.
Not a fan of Solders run blocking. But Id like to see Flowers at RT
Solder struggled at the beginning of last year, is going to be 30. He pulled it together and was very good in the stretch run.
It will be nice to see the difference at LT. But I hope he is able to stay healthy, otherwise this contract could end up looking REALLY ugly.
Doubtful most of the guaranteed money is probably over the first 2 years so the Giants can cut him after two years.
You can really say this about any FA that fills a need.
We don't have an incompetent GM or HC anymore. No idea why we are comparing things to that era.