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The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get.
If the @Giants are keeping Eli and/or drafting a QB for the future, they needed a reliable LT. They got that in Solder. Probably had to overpay for his services but when you have that glaring need, thats what it costs.
In addition to his physical traits that were vital to the Pats offensive success, @soldernate provided 6 8 and 320 pounds (and more) worth of character and leadership. A big loss, on and off the field. Best to him and his family.
Character and leadership are two things that were missing in this unit last year. Evidenced by Flowers and Hart choosing not to play at the end of the season.
at least there shouldnt be. Cleveland hasnt been rebuilding anything ell these years, they've just been incompetent.
In a sport where every team is so vulnerable to injury and we see that guys like Brady, Rodgers, Watt or Beckham can go down in a moment's notice. There really is no point in ever taking the approach to not win now.
Furthermore, what does signing Solder have to do with the overall future of this franchise. That decision will be made when the Giants are on the clock at #2. We know they are going with Eli in 2018. Beyond that, everything is still on the table. The offensive coordinator is at Oklahoma's pro day watching Baker Mayfield as we speak. They could also take the consensus best player in the draft (Barkley) at #2 and turn to Davis Webb after Eli.
Bottom line, the Giants are trying to field the best team they can for 2018 (as they should) and they're not mortgaging any part of their future to do so.
Whether its stay with Eli and Webb, go with a college QB, or draft Barkley, its all the same. Our OL stinks and it has to improve. We paid market rate for the best LT available. I am good with this, he'll be our best LT in a long time.
We're not out of options. I hope this works out, but that's a ridiculous contract for a guy who is a "solid" left tackle.
The other option is you don't pay that contract, move on from Eli, and rebuild the team.
This whole thing feels like a half-ass approach again.
We're starting to feel like the Knicks.
It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
and draft a beast OL and RB in rds 1 and 2. Nelson and CHubb/Guice/Michel/Rogers or Barkley and the best of the OL in the 2nd. I know Fluker isn't a good pass blocker but he brings an attitude the team seemed to thrive off of. I want the Giants to become a run first team, would like to see more 2 TE sets. If we become a dominant run team, PA will mean something and we can get the best of what Eli has left since it seems that is what we are going with. I really wanted a QB at 2 but it seems we are going this way. I am hopeful Shurmur can get as much or more out of Webb than he did Foles and Keenum.
Character and leadership are two things that were missing in this unit last year. Evidenced by Flowers and Hart choosing not to play at the end of the season.
also in Flowers and Hart not participation in Olineman extra-ciricular activities
The #Giants are signing LT Nate Solder to a 4-year deal worth $62M, source said, with $35M guaranteed. The highest paid OL in the NFL. 💰💰💰
OOF! That's a big enchalada to swallow every year.
But that's the price you pay for years of bad drafts and FA signings.
That's not really fair - if Flowers had turned out to be a very good LT, that's pretty much what they'd have had to pay him, too. That's just what a FA LT costs, whether it's your own FA or someone else's. Unless you're going to draft a new LT every 4-5 years, you end up having to commit some significant dollars to the position at some point.
I think it's very fair. Flowers is the only OL they have on the roster that is even worth trying to develop. And he's on his last chance. Re the OL, whether high picks, mid round picks, low picks, Big $$ or low $$ FA signings, all of them SUCKED under Reese/Ross and now they are paying for it.
If the @Giants are keeping Eli and/or drafting a QB for the future, they needed a reliable LT. They got that in Solder. Probably had to overpay for his services but when you have that glaring need, thats what it costs.
Well said.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Highest paid position is all agent talk
Remember when lavar Arrington signed 5 year 54million, it was essentially a 1 year deal...
35m guaranteed. I highly doubt that's all roster bonuses. We're committing to all 4 years here.
No they aren't.
A good portion will be a SB, but they probably had to guarantee salary for years 1 and 2.
Assume a $25M SB and $10M in guaranteed salary in years 1 and 2. Over 4 years, that is a prorated SB of just over $6M per. After year two, there is only about $12M left. The Giants could probably cut him after year 2 with little to no cap hit. If he lasts 3 years, they would likely have little in the way of a cap hit when cut.
That's 12.5 million in dead money year 3 the way you have that outlined. 6+ million in dead money isn't something sneeze at either on the final year. Unless it's a really wonky structure, they're committing to him. You can still like the signing but that much is undeniable.
Since the contract appears has an AAV of over $15.5M, including the signing bonus, that likely means he pulls down over $10M annually. Cut after year two means that it "costs" $2.5M or less in cap space to cut.
You appear to be falling into the classic misunderstanding of the impact of dead money. Dead money is not added to the cap, but is money already ON the cap that can't be cut away.
In other words, if Solder has a $10M annual salary and about $6M annual SB hit, if cut after year 2, the Giants have to accelerate the remaining prorated SB of about $12M, but drop the $10M in salary- meaning a cap "hit" of $2.5M above what the cap impact already was. That is not likely to be substantial with annual cap increases averaging over $5M.
Tell me where 3-4 year rebuilds happen in the NFL? The Eagles revamped their roster after it was gutted in 2015 to a SB win in 17 with a rookie QB. The Giants can still draft a QB or transition to Webb while making shrewd moves.
and draft a beast OL and RB in rds 1 and 2. Nelson and CHubb/Guice/Michel/Rogers or Barkley and the best of the OL in the 2nd. I know Fluker isn't a good pass blocker but he brings an attitude the team seemed to thrive off of. I want the Giants to become a run first team, would like to see more 2 TE sets. If we become a dominant run team, PA will mean something and we can get the best of what Eli has left since it seems that is what we are going with. I really wanted a QB at 2 but it seems we are going this way. I am hopeful Shurmur can get as much or more out of Webb than he did Foles and Keenum.
I'm good with either of those scenarios.
RE: RE: RE: Highest paid position is all agent talk
Remember when lavar Arrington signed 5 year 54million, it was essentially a 1 year deal...
35m guaranteed. I highly doubt that's all roster bonuses. We're committing to all 4 years here.
No they aren't.
A good portion will be a SB, but they probably had to guarantee salary for years 1 and 2.
Assume a $25M SB and $10M in guaranteed salary in years 1 and 2. Over 4 years, that is a prorated SB of just over $6M per. After year two, there is only about $12M left. The Giants could probably cut him after year 2 with little to no cap hit. If he lasts 3 years, they would likely have little in the way of a cap hit when cut.
There still is a cap hit - the dead money takes away cap space no matter what. With the salary coming off the books, the team frees up space vs. keeping the player, but then they still have to replace that player.
It's not a major problem, especially because the cap continues to go up each year, so teams are more equipped to absorb dead money, but it's not totally correct to say there would be little to no cap hit.
Tell me where 3-4 year rebuilds happen in the NFL? The Eagles revamped their roster after it was gutted in 2015 to a SB win in 17 with a rookie QB. The Giants can still draft a QB or transition to Webb while making shrewd moves.
Wentz wasn't a rookie in 2017 and Foles won the SB. Just to nitpick.
I think a move down with the Browns/Jets/Bills would be a responsible thing to do, if the offers are there.
Adding a bunch of current and future 2nd/1st round picks is something that would go a long way in helping the 2019-2020 salary cap catch its breath and work off some of the hefty spending at the top of the roster that hasnt paid off.
I was fine with tearing it down now and taking the QB. Theyve clearly chosen not to go that way. Taking the top-of-the-draft QB now feels like it leaves them with one foot in the win and the other in the rebuild, with an extremely top-heavy set of contracts on the cap for the next 3 years.
The #Giants are signing LT Nate Solder to a 4-year deal worth $62M, source said, with $35M guaranteed. The highest paid OL in the NFL. 💰💰💰
OOF! That's a big enchalada to swallow every year.
But that's the price you pay for years of bad drafts and FA signings.
That's not really fair - if Flowers had turned out to be a very good LT, that's pretty much what they'd have had to pay him, too. That's just what a FA LT costs, whether it's your own FA or someone else's. Unless you're going to draft a new LT every 4-5 years, you end up having to commit some significant dollars to the position at some point.
I think it's very fair. Flowers is the only OL they have on the roster that is even worth trying to develop. And he's on his last chance. Re the OL, whether high picks, mid round picks, low picks, Big $$ or low $$ FA signings, all of them SUCKED under Reese/Ross and now they are paying for it.
You're missing the point. If Flowers had been good, they'd have given a comparable contract to him instead of Solder. That's just what LTs cost. Blaming the failed picks is silly - this is the price tag for a good LT when they reach FA, whether you draft them or another team does.
It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
I just feel like quality guards are easier to find in the mid part of the draft. Usually you have to use a premium pick to get a franchise left tackle. In this case we had to overpay but that is what happens in free agency. It is what it is.
I think a move down with the Browns/Jets/Bills would be a responsible thing to do, if the offers are there.
Adding a bunch of current and future 2nd/1st round picks is something that would go a long way in helping the 2019-2020 salary cap catch its breath and work off some of the hefty spending at the top of the roster that hasnt paid off.
I was fine with tearing it down now and taking the QB. Theyve clearly chosen not to go that way. Taking the top-of-the-draft QB now feels like it leaves them with one foot in the win and the other in the rebuild, with an extremely top-heavy set of contracts on the cap for the next 3 years.
Eli's contract coming off the books really soon will help alleviate a good percentage of the heftiness of our cap situation.
One draft failure after another until you have to pay through the nose to get decent players like Solder, Snacks, Oliver Vernon and Jackrabbit.
Not a good blueprint for building long term success.
Feels like a desperation move in the hope that Eli can lead
them to the promise land with his blind side covered in
decent (not great) fashion.
EF, couldn't cut it @ LT, and its a gamble 1-2 of the top 5 will be available at our spot. Scary move, but desperate times.... It really breaks down to a 2 years and a couple of $$$ to close out the guarantee; the actual structure may be better than what we see, given bonus/incentives structure.
Oh, well... throw the dice on Eli and see what comes up.
is some kind of terrible indictment of this franchise.
It is what it is. The sun has still risen in the Meadowlands these past few days without Andrew Norwell.
So a guy made a decision based most likely on a younger nucleus and went to a team that just played in the AFC title game. Maybe he liked the tax advantages? Big deal.
It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
Yeah. Versus a NY Giants team that supposedly isn't that far away? Vs. a Blake Bortles led team? Yes.
I think a move down with the Browns/Jets/Bills would be a responsible thing to do, if the offers are there.
Adding a bunch of current and future 2nd/1st round picks is something that would go a long way in helping the 2019-2020 salary cap catch its breath and work off some of the hefty spending at the top of the roster that hasnt paid off.
I was fine with tearing it down now and taking the QB. Theyve clearly chosen not to go that way. Taking the top-of-the-draft QB now feels like it leaves them with one foot in the win and the other in the rebuild, with an extremely top-heavy set of contracts on the cap for the next 3 years.
Eli's contract coming off the books really soon will help alleviate a good percentage of the heftiness of our cap situation.
Before FA it was reported that the Giants would have close to 70 million in cap room next year which includes the contracts of Eli, JPP, and Vernon. If the Giants cut Eli and JPP then that number goes over 90 million. Now obviously you have to add in this years free agent signings plus draft picks but with that the Giants should be able to extend Collins and Beckham and still have over 40 million in cap room.
It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
Yeah. Versus a NY Giants team that supposedly isn't that far away? Vs. a Blake Bortles led team? Yes.
Who gives a shit who the QB is when they're winning more games?
and made threads a few short months ago about being fans of a player more than they are the actual team. So, why take those fans serious to begin with?
It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
Yeah. Versus a NY Giants team that supposedly isn't that far away? Vs. a Blake Bortles led team? Yes.
Bortles was the #3 overall pick. Be careful what you wish for.
It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
Yeah. Versus a NY Giants team that supposedly isn't that far away? Vs. a Blake Bortles led team? Yes.
Who gives a shit who the QB is when they're winning more games?
Okay, take the Bortles aspect out of the equation.
Since the contract appears has an AAV of over $15.5M, including the signing bonus, that likely means he pulls down over $10M annually. Cut after year two means that it "costs" $2.5M or less in cap space to cut.
You appear to be falling into the classic misunderstanding of the impact of dead money. Dead money is not added to the cap, but is money already ON the cap that can't be cut away.
In other words, if Solder has a $10M annual salary and about $6M annual SB hit, if cut after year 2, the Giants have to accelerate the remaining prorated SB of about $12M, but drop the $10M in salary- meaning a cap "hit" of $2.5M above what the cap impact already was. That is not likely to be substantial with annual cap increases averaging over $5M.
No, I get it completely. The dead money is a sunk cost. I'm opposed to sinking that cost on a guy like Solder given the state of our franchise. This is why I'm not focused on the AAV and I only reacted when I saw the guaranteed money, which was about 10m more than I anticipated on a 4 year deal.
I'm not doing the happy dance that most are. Call me skeptical until we see him live and through the contract. Will he get away with the same level of holding he does in Foxboro? We'll see. He's better than we've had, but that's not saying much.
we just took the best available veteran left tackle off the market. Flowers kicks to RT, and you've bought yourself time to draft and groom another LT if it's not Wheeler.
The other option is you don't pay that contract, move on from Eli, and rebuild the team.
This whole thing feels like a half-ass approach again.
We're starting to feel like the Knicks.
I completely agree
If the @Giants are keeping Eli and/or drafting a QB for the future, they needed a reliable LT. They got that in Solder. Probably had to overpay for his services but when you have that glaring need, thats what it costs.
In addition to his physical traits that were vital to the Pats offensive success, @soldernate provided 6 8 and 320 pounds (and more) worth of character and leadership. A big loss, on and off the field. Best to him and his family.
Character and leadership are two things that were missing in this unit last year. Evidenced by Flowers and Hart choosing not to play at the end of the season.
In a sport where every team is so vulnerable to injury and we see that guys like Brady, Rodgers, Watt or Beckham can go down in a moment's notice. There really is no point in ever taking the approach to not win now.
Furthermore, what does signing Solder have to do with the overall future of this franchise. That decision will be made when the Giants are on the clock at #2. We know they are going with Eli in 2018. Beyond that, everything is still on the table. The offensive coordinator is at Oklahoma's pro day watching Baker Mayfield as we speak. They could also take the consensus best player in the draft (Barkley) at #2 and turn to Davis Webb after Eli.
Bottom line, the Giants are trying to field the best team they can for 2018 (as they should) and they're not mortgaging any part of their future to do so.
No trade up needed, they just signed Carlos Hyde to a 3 year, 15 million dollar deal. They're good at RB.
The other option is you don't pay that contract, move on from Eli, and rebuild the team.
This whole thing feels like a half-ass approach again.
We're starting to feel like the Knicks.
It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
Character and leadership are two things that were missing in this unit last year. Evidenced by Flowers and Hart choosing not to play at the end of the season.
also in Flowers and Hart not participation in Olineman extra-ciricular activities
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The #Giants are signing LT Nate Solder to a 4-year deal worth $62M, source said, with $35M guaranteed. The highest paid OL in the NFL. 💰💰💰
OOF! That's a big enchalada to swallow every year.
But that's the price you pay for years of bad drafts and FA signings.
That's not really fair - if Flowers had turned out to be a very good LT, that's pretty much what they'd have had to pay him, too. That's just what a FA LT costs, whether it's your own FA or someone else's. Unless you're going to draft a new LT every 4-5 years, you end up having to commit some significant dollars to the position at some point.
I think it's very fair. Flowers is the only OL they have on the roster that is even worth trying to develop. And he's on his last chance. Re the OL, whether high picks, mid round picks, low picks, Big $$ or low $$ FA signings, all of them SUCKED under Reese/Ross and now they are paying for it.
If the @Giants are keeping Eli and/or drafting a QB for the future, they needed a reliable LT. They got that in Solder. Probably had to overpay for his services but when you have that glaring need, thats what it costs.
Well said.
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It means nothing...
Remember when lavar Arrington signed 5 year 54million, it was essentially a 1 year deal...
35m guaranteed. I highly doubt that's all roster bonuses. We're committing to all 4 years here.
No they aren't.
A good portion will be a SB, but they probably had to guarantee salary for years 1 and 2.
Assume a $25M SB and $10M in guaranteed salary in years 1 and 2. Over 4 years, that is a prorated SB of just over $6M per. After year two, there is only about $12M left. The Giants could probably cut him after year 2 with little to no cap hit. If he lasts 3 years, they would likely have little in the way of a cap hit when cut.
That's 12.5 million in dead money year 3 the way you have that outlined. 6+ million in dead money isn't something sneeze at either on the final year. Unless it's a really wonky structure, they're committing to him. You can still like the signing but that much is undeniable.
Since the contract appears has an AAV of over $15.5M, including the signing bonus, that likely means he pulls down over $10M annually. Cut after year two means that it "costs" $2.5M or less in cap space to cut.
You appear to be falling into the classic misunderstanding of the impact of dead money. Dead money is not added to the cap, but is money already ON the cap that can't be cut away.
In other words, if Solder has a $10M annual salary and about $6M annual SB hit, if cut after year 2, the Giants have to accelerate the remaining prorated SB of about $12M, but drop the $10M in salary- meaning a cap "hit" of $2.5M above what the cap impact already was. That is not likely to be substantial with annual cap increases averaging over $5M.
I think DG thinks they can compete this year.
I'm good with either of those scenarios.
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It means nothing...
Remember when lavar Arrington signed 5 year 54million, it was essentially a 1 year deal...
35m guaranteed. I highly doubt that's all roster bonuses. We're committing to all 4 years here.
No they aren't.
A good portion will be a SB, but they probably had to guarantee salary for years 1 and 2.
Assume a $25M SB and $10M in guaranteed salary in years 1 and 2. Over 4 years, that is a prorated SB of just over $6M per. After year two, there is only about $12M left. The Giants could probably cut him after year 2 with little to no cap hit. If he lasts 3 years, they would likely have little in the way of a cap hit when cut.
There still is a cap hit - the dead money takes away cap space no matter what. With the salary coming off the books, the team frees up space vs. keeping the player, but then they still have to replace that player.
It's not a major problem, especially because the cap continues to go up each year, so teams are more equipped to absorb dead money, but it's not totally correct to say there would be little to no cap hit.
Even if Solder isn't an "elite" LT, he's very good. It has been a pretty long time since we've had a dependable player in that spot.
We needed OL help desperately.
I don't know what some of you guys are looking for.
Wentz wasn't a rookie in 2017 and Foles won the SB. Just to nitpick.
Adding a bunch of current and future 2nd/1st round picks is something that would go a long way in helping the 2019-2020 salary cap catch its breath and work off some of the hefty spending at the top of the roster that hasnt paid off.
I was fine with tearing it down now and taking the QB. Theyve clearly chosen not to go that way. Taking the top-of-the-draft QB now feels like it leaves them with one foot in the win and the other in the rebuild, with an extremely top-heavy set of contracts on the cap for the next 3 years.
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The #Giants are signing LT Nate Solder to a 4-year deal worth $62M, source said, with $35M guaranteed. The highest paid OL in the NFL. 💰💰💰
OOF! That's a big enchalada to swallow every year.
But that's the price you pay for years of bad drafts and FA signings.
That's not really fair - if Flowers had turned out to be a very good LT, that's pretty much what they'd have had to pay him, too. That's just what a FA LT costs, whether it's your own FA or someone else's. Unless you're going to draft a new LT every 4-5 years, you end up having to commit some significant dollars to the position at some point.
I think it's very fair. Flowers is the only OL they have on the roster that is even worth trying to develop. And he's on his last chance. Re the OL, whether high picks, mid round picks, low picks, Big $$ or low $$ FA signings, all of them SUCKED under Reese/Ross and now they are paying for it.
You're missing the point. If Flowers had been good, they'd have given a comparable contract to him instead of Solder. That's just what LTs cost. Blaming the failed picks is silly - this is the price tag for a good LT when they reach FA, whether you draft them or another team does.
It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
Adding a bunch of current and future 2nd/1st round picks is something that would go a long way in helping the 2019-2020 salary cap catch its breath and work off some of the hefty spending at the top of the roster that hasnt paid off.
I was fine with tearing it down now and taking the QB. Theyve clearly chosen not to go that way. Taking the top-of-the-draft QB now feels like it leaves them with one foot in the win and the other in the rebuild, with an extremely top-heavy set of contracts on the cap for the next 3 years.
Eli's contract coming off the books really soon will help alleviate a good percentage of the heftiness of our cap situation.
One draft failure after another until you have to pay through the nose to get decent players like Solder, Snacks, Oliver Vernon and Jackrabbit.
Not a good blueprint for building long term success.
Feels like a desperation move in the hope that Eli can lead
them to the promise land with his blind side covered in
decent (not great) fashion.
EF, couldn't cut it @ LT, and its a gamble 1-2 of the top 5 will be available at our spot. Scary move, but desperate times.... It really breaks down to a 2 years and a couple of $$$ to close out the guarantee; the actual structure may be better than what we see, given bonus/incentives structure.
Oh, well... throw the dice on Eli and see what comes up.
Don't cry if it's Snake Eyes.
It is what it is. The sun has still risen in the Meadowlands these past few days without Andrew Norwell.
So a guy made a decision based most likely on a younger nucleus and went to a team that just played in the AFC title game. Maybe he liked the tax advantages? Big deal.
Even if Solder isn't an "elite" LT, he's very good. It has been a pretty long time since we've had a dependable player in that spot.
We needed OL help desperately.
I don't know what some of you guys are looking for.
People just want to bitch about something.
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I can't believe people are calling this a "terrible signing"
Even if Solder isn't an "elite" LT, he's very good. It has been a pretty long time since we've had a dependable player in that spot.
We needed OL help desperately.
I don't know what some of you guys are looking for.
People just want to bitch about something.
I'd say it's more indicative of the average fan being a moron.
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It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
Yeah. Versus a NY Giants team that supposedly isn't that far away? Vs. a Blake Bortles led team? Yes.
It's not about Bortles/Eli.
And there's the whole income tax thing, too.
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I think a move down with the Browns/Jets/Bills would be a responsible thing to do, if the offers are there.
Adding a bunch of current and future 2nd/1st round picks is something that would go a long way in helping the 2019-2020 salary cap catch its breath and work off some of the hefty spending at the top of the roster that hasnt paid off.
I was fine with tearing it down now and taking the QB. Theyve clearly chosen not to go that way. Taking the top-of-the-draft QB now feels like it leaves them with one foot in the win and the other in the rebuild, with an extremely top-heavy set of contracts on the cap for the next 3 years.
Eli's contract coming off the books really soon will help alleviate a good percentage of the heftiness of our cap situation.
Before FA it was reported that the Giants would have close to 70 million in cap room next year which includes the contracts of Eli, JPP, and Vernon. If the Giants cut Eli and JPP then that number goes over 90 million. Now obviously you have to add in this years free agent signings plus draft picks but with that the Giants should be able to extend Collins and Beckham and still have over 40 million in cap room.
Ive put that money in a mental side-pocket: most of it goes straight to OBJ, so I basically view it as money already spent just to maintain.
The alternative is to view it as available money, but starting with a talent pool that is terrible as opposed to just below average.
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It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
Yeah. Versus a NY Giants team that supposedly isn't that far away? Vs. a Blake Bortles led team? Yes.
Who gives a shit who the QB is when they're winning more games?
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It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
Yeah. Versus a NY Giants team that supposedly isn't that far away? Vs. a Blake Bortles led team? Yes.
Bortles was the #3 overall pick. Be careful what you wish for.
I wonder if Gettleman cluster drafts OL high up and tries to fix this area asap.
Yeah. Versus a NY Giants team that supposedly isn't that far away? Vs. a Blake Bortles led team? Yes.
The Giants aren't that far away??? Lol ok
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It does kind of have that vibe. Norwell picking the Jags over us should be a huge eye-opener for this franchise. Picking a team with Bortles as your QB over the Giants with a franchise QB. Yikes.
An exciting young team that just went to the AFC Championship game while also playing in a state with no income tax?
Yeah. Versus a NY Giants team that supposedly isn't that far away? Vs. a Blake Bortles led team? Yes.
Who gives a shit who the QB is when they're winning more games?
Okay, take the Bortles aspect out of the equation.
Now DG can still look for a LT of the future in the next 2-3 drafts, but were not desperate to reach for one.
Flowers gets one year to prove he can be dependable elsewhere (RT or possibly guard?) or hes history
Bortles was the #3 overall pick. Be careful what you wish for.
So was Matt Ryan.
You appear to be falling into the classic misunderstanding of the impact of dead money. Dead money is not added to the cap, but is money already ON the cap that can't be cut away.
In other words, if Solder has a $10M annual salary and about $6M annual SB hit, if cut after year 2, the Giants have to accelerate the remaining prorated SB of about $12M, but drop the $10M in salary- meaning a cap "hit" of $2.5M above what the cap impact already was. That is not likely to be substantial with annual cap increases averaging over $5M.
No, I get it completely. The dead money is a sunk cost. I'm opposed to sinking that cost on a guy like Solder given the state of our franchise. This is why I'm not focused on the AAV and I only reacted when I saw the guaranteed money, which was about 10m more than I anticipated on a 4 year deal.
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Bortles was the #3 overall pick. Be careful what you wish for.
So was Matt Ryan.
That was a long time ago. The spread became prolific in college around 2010-11. Hasn't been so hot at the top of the draft since.
And his backup played as well if not better.